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AKG K701 bass quantity - a short comparison

post #1 of 48
Thread Starter 
I think this question has been already discussed, but as far as I've read about it, there is no clear explanation for the fact, that one K701 has less bass while another one has a huge amount of it (for an open headphone).

At the moment, I've got three different K701s. (Yeah, that's crazy, I know!)

Yesterday was a public holiday here in Germany and just for fun I decided to compare them all a little bit. So I connected them to my Corda Symphony (0 ohms output) and started listening with main attention to the bass reproduction.

The results in short from the oldest to the newest:

K701 No.1 (#11XXX) has a really little amount of bass. While listening to some bass intensive classical stuff, I asked myself "Where is it? Shouldn't there be some bass? Hmm..." For the most recordings, it's annoying. Or let me say it more clearly: I hate it!

K701 No.2 (#27XXX) has a huge amount of bass. Not as much as my HD800 for example, but it comes fairly close. My thought: "Wow!" Well I hate the wearing comfort of the K701s in general, but would it be more comfortable to wear, I'd say this No.2 is one of the biggest bargains, I can imagine. It seems to offer 80-90% of the HD800 sound. That's incredible!

K701 No.3 (#43XXX) has also a huge amount of bass, slightly less than No.2. But there is another thing. Maybe the K701 is some kind of defective... well, I don't know and it looks like new, but there clearly is a distinct distortion in the bass, No. 2 hasn't got. That's not very nice. In some deep bass areas it sounds like it is overstrained.

Let me note two things:

1st: I really don't listen a lot with the K701 model, mainly because it's uncomfortable to wear for me.
2nd: I also can't exactly say how much burn-in time each of them has (easily > 100 hrs each).

Conclusion:
I'm really confused after this direct comparison.
What I've heard is a fact, but it can't be true. Somehow I can't believe it.

The sound signature of all three is the same (what I would call "typical K701 sound"). But in the low end they all do so very different things... how can that be?! I don't understand it. Btw. I couldn't observe sibilants with my three K701s (like the AD900 or DT990 have).

I've never heard such extreme differences out of one and the same type of headphone in comparison. This seems to be a real "K701 thing".

In four weeks I'll be in Vienna again. Maybe I should go to AKG and ask someone there... this would be -at least for me- very interesting.

And while I'm writing this here, it comes to my mind, that there are different frequency charts for the HD800 (my favorite headphone) existing, too. So far I've not read about complains about different sounding HD800s.

Maybe I should compare some different HD800s... oh... damn it... no... I won't... this could possibly destroy my "ideal headphone world"...

At the moment I don't know whether I shall laugh or cry... hmm... where is my "Litte Book of Calm*"? ...

* I really recommend to grab a copy of this book, if you're longer than seven years on this crazy-mad money-sucking head-fi platform...
post #2 of 48
That is probably why I feel mine don't lack in the bass when others say theirs do.
post #3 of 48
That's very interesting. I hadn't really heard of any variations between the "same" model. That's actually a little worrying. Now if I can just get a "bass heavy" K701 I'll be set.
post #4 of 48
Thread Starter 
Yeah, but WHY is that so?

It's like two identical CPUs do a different amount of FLOPS...
post #5 of 48
It can be very very small technical diefrence, for example a tiny bit thinner membrane.
I dont wanna start a war, BUT:
What are their serial numbers?
post #6 of 48
Thread Starter 
I've added the numbers, but I don't believe that makes much sense.

But, well... at least we Austrian-Germans know how to "start wars"...
post #7 of 48
My 362x, from its first year in production, sounds fine to me. But until some more listeners have a chance to preview different generations of the K701, it may be prudent to watch this skeptically - but with great interest.
post #8 of 48
Der Germane, you're the only one that can really answer your question. I would highly recommend that you burn them together for 350 hrs and this would make sure that the burn in issue is out of your way. To visit AKG would be great, and maybe this issue can be addressed once and for all.
post #9 of 48
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Originally Posted by Der Germane View Post

At the moment, I've got three different K701s. (Yeah, that's crazy, I know!)

....It seems to offer 80-90% of the HD800 sound. That's incredible!
Good to know from you Der Germane that K701 is 80-90% of HD800.
post #10 of 48
I think I had read somewhere that later serial number K701's and all K702's had more bass than the original K701's...
post #11 of 48
variations within headphone model - i think it's a subject that is very interesting to me, and i haven't found very many threads about it here.

maybe because folks seldom have more than one of a particular headphone. so they don't really know just how much variation might exist within that particular model.

this could be fairly common. who knows?

after all, models like the k701, dt880, hd800 are mostly hand assembled. so, i would imagine that in very subtle ways there might be variations between one and the next.

however, something as drastic as no bass / some bass / plenty of bass - that is quizzical indeed...

now, on the other hand, there are the mythical "changes" made by the mfr. from time to time during production. such that a headphone with a lower serial number would sound different than one with a higher serial number. not as a result of natural variation, but an unspoken "improvement' implemented by AKG (or whomever) upon hearing feedback from the first "batch" sent out.
is this a real phenomenon? that we will likely never know.
post #12 of 48
AKG has done slight adjustments to their headphones in the past. For example, there are atleast 3 different K501 versions/generations. Starting from very weak bass to version with enough bass. Perhaps K701 has gone same process too? Mine, which was very old, had very very weak bass.
post #13 of 48
K701 No.2 (#27XXX) has a huge amount of bass. Not as much as my HD800 for example, but it comes fairly close. My thought: "Wow!" Well I hate the wearing comfort of the K701s in general, but would it be more comfortable to wear, I'd say this No.2 is one of the biggest bargains, I can imagine. It seems to offer 80-90% of the HD800 sound. That's incredible!


I have no idea if you're pulling my chains or not, but if what you say is true,
..
then sign me up bro, cause it's time for me to JUMP ON THE AKG-BAND Wagon.

edit: lol.. why is it that when a random bass or 990 thread appears, me and TheWuss are always there? ^_^
post #14 of 48
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Originally Posted by David.M View Post
edit: lol.. why is it that when a random bass or 990 thread appears, me and TheWuss are always there? ^_^
hahahaha. maybe we're bored? or trying to get our post count up?
or maybe we just like our bass??
post #15 of 48
He's not crazy. I have two K701 (#84X0 and #40X60) and the latter has a much bigger bass presence than the earlier model. Different packaging as well.

Now, I have not swapped pads on the two models. It is possible that variations in the pads (or foam rings) may account for the difference in sound. I will try changing pads and get back later.
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