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post #31 of 40
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post
The PL30 is slightly mid-forward in nature. If you like that signature it's not at all surpising that the PL50 sounds lacking. The PL50s are also thick-sounding and lack air, even compared to the RE0. Technically I find them vastly superior to the PL30 - more extended, flatter, faster, etc. But I ended up keeping the PL30 and selling the PL50 anyway. Can't argue with personal preferences.

Regarding upgrades, I find the RE252 to be a far more natural choice coming from the PL30 than the RE0. It's not as mid-forward but it's got the same airy feel and even better balance without losing out on detail or clarity to the RE0. Of course this comes at a price and a comfort sacrifice but that's just the way it is. You may also like the ViSang R02 though I have yet to finish reviewing them. Very airy earphone, almost open-sounding, and quite cheap.
The Visangs are very cheap, surely they cant compare to the RE252 can they? Can get them on ebay for £20, I recently got some Lear LE01's from the same seller, lovely clear and open sound, just a bit soft and artificial sounding coming from RE0's, how do the R02's compare to the Lears?
post #32 of 40
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post
I slightly disagree with this, apart from smaller soundstage and less airiness I do find it a bit surprising that the PL50 sounds lacking to the OP. Both the PL30 and the PL50 are mid-centered and while I can understand the PL50 being described as small (due to lacking soundstage) I cannot relate to them being described as thin. I suspect pinkmoon may not have a good fit/seal.
I don't really see where we're in disagreement

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The Visangs are very cheap, surely they cant compare to the RE252 can they? Can get them on ebay for £20, I recently got some Lear LE01's from the same seller, lovely clear and open sound, just a bit soft and artificial sounding coming from RE0's, how do the R02's compare to the Lears?
No, of course the ViSangs don't stack up to the RE252, but they fare better than they should for what they cost.

I quite like the Le01 myself. Hugely underrated budget set IMO, though the build quality leaves something to be desired. But the R02 are a clear step up. They can run with the best in the <$100 range. The overall sound is fairly reminiscent of the R03, just a different flavor of the same signature - a bit warm and quite full, especially compared to the Lears. They retain most of the clarity but sound more natural, more engaging. Note that those housings are identical to the ones used by the Le01, Le01+, Cyclone PR1/PR1 Pro, Grado iGi, VSonic R02ProII, etc. Personally, I think ViSang has finally perfected harnessing the acoustics of those particular housings after all these years.
post #33 of 40
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I don't really see where we're in disagreement
I was referring to this:
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post
The PL30 is slightly mid-forward in nature. If you like that signature it's not at all surpising that the PL50 sounds lacking.
If both are mid-centric phones and he likes the PL30, why is it not at all surprising that the PL50 sounds lacking to him?
Then again, maybe I just didn't get what you meant.
post #34 of 40
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post
If both are mid-centric phones and he likes the PL30, why is it not at all surprising that the PL50 sounds lacking to him?
Then again, maybe I just didn't get what you meant.
Ah. I differentiate between mid-forward and mid-centric. Mid-forward refers to the relative positioning of the ranges while mid-centric refers to relative emphasis (IMO). The PL50s are definitely mid-centric, wasn't disputing that at all. In terms of him not liking them, I was referring more to the lack of air than the balance. I got rid of the PL50s too even though they did a couple of things very well. Just too thick-sounding, like drowning in pancake batter .
post #35 of 40
I just bought my first pair of sub $100 IEM's - the PL50 - and am now a little less optimistic after reading this thread :P I was on the fence between the RE0 and PL50 for days, each one appealing to me for different reasons. I know there is a big difference in detail and clarity between the two, but the versatility of the PL50's (size, weight, comfort, microphonics, etc) won me over in the end. If I'm not impressed, hey at least the RE0's are cheap now, might get a pair to compare first hand.
post #36 of 40
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I just bought my first pair of sub $100 IEM's - the PL50 - and am now a little less optimistic after reading this thread :P I was on the fence between the RE0 and PL50 for days, each one appealing to me for different reasons. I know there is a big difference in detail and clarity between the two, but the versatility of the PL50's (size, weight, comfort, microphonics, etc) won me over in the end. If I'm not impressed, hey at least the RE0's are cheap now, might get a pair to compare first hand.
Dont let this put you off too much, I had quite a knee jerk reaction to them and probably didnt give them enough time, I'm certain that a lot of the problem was down to ill fitting tips, each tip I tried made a huge difference in sound ( none good tho), Ive never known such big difference between tips before.
I'm very much a beginner in all this and the PL50's get very good reviews from people with a lot more experience than me.
post #37 of 40
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Originally Posted by steagle View Post
I just bought my first pair of sub $100 IEM's - the PL50 - and am now a little less optimistic after reading this thread :P I was on the fence between the RE0 and PL50 for days, each one appealing to me for different reasons. I know there is a big difference in detail and clarity between the two, but the versatility of the PL50's (size, weight, comfort, microphonics, etc) won me over in the end. If I'm not impressed, hey at least the RE0's are cheap now, might get a pair to compare first hand.
Perhaps it would be best to hold off on recommending them to others until you've actually heard them. Same goes for comparing them to other gear.

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surprised no one has mentioned Sound Magic PL50 which is a great IEM for under $80. sound is a bit warmer than RE0, less cable noise, more comfortable to wear for extended periods, and hey it's $25 cheaper too. if you are like me and take your PMP on the go and do a lot of walking, i would pick the PL50 over the RE0, but for critical and/or stationary listening the REO would be the way to go. BTW both sound great in the low frequencies if your source material is quality and you have the ability to customize your EQ. they are both balanced which i find, in the long run, to be far more important to your ears than those that exaggerate the low end.
post #38 of 40
That's exactly why you should read someones post history before taking their advise. I know people want to help, but this drives me nuts.
post #39 of 40
I have heard both models and now own the PL50, I just don't own the RE0. My listening time with both have been somewhat limited so I'll admit my recommendation in the other thread was premature, point taken.
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Originally Posted by pinkmoon1972 View Post
Dont let this put you off too much, I had quite a knee jerk reaction to them and probably didnt give them enough time, I'm certain that a lot of the problem was down to ill fitting tips, each tip I tried made a huge difference in sound ( none good tho), Ive never known such big difference between tips before. I'm very much a beginner in all this and the PL50's get very good reviews from people with a lot more experience than me.
Understood. I upgraded from the god awful earbuds that came with my S9 so the PL50 was bliss to my ears the first time I heard them, even prior to burn in. Not much critical comparison going on in my case. What I noticed right away was the comfort which is crucial to me. I take a train and walk a mile to work every day and these are the first phones to comfortably deal with my movement without annoying cord noise. I definitely hear you on the limited soundstage and enclosed feel though. I A/B'ed some FLAC's last weekend on these and my Ultrasone 550's for fun and that soundstage was definitely compact. But I really do appreciate the detail. All in all probably the best phones I've heard for this price, I can't believe they were only $50. As much as I like these I still can't wait to get my hands on some RE0's which I've only heard a few times but was quite impressed with.
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