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post #16 of 22
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Originally Posted by Mpyra View Post
Hello Head Fi,
i recently bought a pair of Etymotics HF5's and Klipsch X10's to see if i could tell any difference in sound quality.

Well, there obviously is, this is my first foray into the world of in ear headphones, in the past I've mostly used any old pair of cheap out ear, or more expensive full sized headphones for my home usage.

I'm amazed by the Klipsch X10's they are so small, yet put out such a smooth bassy sound and the mid range and high range seem to blend perfectly into deep bassy mixture.

Also they X10's are ridiculously comfortable compared to the HF5's, they only need these little single flange ear tips which don't need to burrow into your ear cavity to deliver thick bassy immersion.

So why not keep the X10's, well, firstly they are super expensive and i don't think I'd use them enough to justify the cost, secondly i would like some headphones that are metallic red (like my HF5's).

So are there any alternatives to the HF5's/X10's that can deliver a combination of the features i am looking for, which is deep bass and being metallic red(or black/metallic red)?

For now price is not of concern and ideally they would be in the same size range as the X10's/HF5's.

Edit: I have also read about different ear tips altering the bass response of some IEM's could this possibly be a solution to my bass problem with the HF5's?

Buy a Fiio E5 and use the bass boost feature for a simple solution or you can get the Westone 3.
post #17 of 22
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With the X10's could it be that because it is so small and short, the entire BA is inside your ear and the seal is very comfortable even when deep you don't really notice it because it's so small.

It's kind of apparent that dynamic driver does not = bass, otherwise this problem with the HF5's would not exist and Etymotic would not be adding a moving coil to their next generation of products.

As things are i feel that the high frequencies on the X10 are just no quite well enough defined, but the bass is pretty much perfect and the confortability and size make it almost perfect, unfortunately i am cheap and shallow and want a IEM that is metallic red and slightly cheaper, the X-10 is so close to blowing me away with it's sound i almost wouldn't care about the price and color, but sadly falls just short.
there is no problem with the HF5's, they are great and they do bass frequencies very well, just because you can't feel them as a viscereal thump it doesn't make the HF5's problematic, that is the Ety 'house' sound, there is an explanation on the Ety website about all this. They are probably adding a dynamic for either a more consumer orientated sound or for a cheaper production cost therefore model. But no doubt it will still encompass the ety sound.

The X10's are tuned to have a bigger bass response, Klipsch have an explanation on their website. The X5's also have a single balanced armature but this again is tuned differently to give a more balanced sound - I actually think the X5's may be the ticket for you.

A BA driver is a moving part - it is an armature balanced between two magnets and a diaphram is attached to the end of the armature which moves when the armature is moved by the magnets (laymans terms explanation). Balanced armatures are generally more expensive to produce, they are alot smaller and more complex

and why the fascination with red? lol seriously...you're gonna miss out if you're basing your buying decisions on colour.. :-/
(solution - buy JH5 Pro's with red shells)
post #18 of 22
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Okay, well i can't find the RE0's in red in the UK at the moment, i will keep looking.
Re0's in red don't exist, or re0's in the UK. They're exclusively from head-direct.

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Shouldn't the X10's be cheaper then? and why so much bass with no moving coil?
Because amount of bass is not directly proportional to price. I find most dynamic iem's including a few costing more than the hf5 to be muddy and IMO a worse overall sound. The driver in the x10 must be tuned to produce more bass.

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Would the MC5 be more allowing of a more shallow insertion?
No, Etymotic are still claiming the same isolation figures so insertion depth will be about the same.
post #19 of 22
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Originally Posted by timmyGCSE View Post
there is no problem with the HF5's, they are great and they do bass frequencies very well, just because you can't feel them as a viscereal thump it doesn't make the HF5's problematic, that is the Ety 'house' sound, there is an explanation on the Ety website about all this. They are probably adding a dynamic for either a more consumer orientated sound or for a cheaper production cost therefore model. But no doubt it will still encompass the ety sound.

The X10's are tuned to have a bigger bass response, Klipsch have an explanation on their website. The X5's also have a single balanced armature but this again is tuned differently to give a more balanced sound - I actually think the X5's may be the ticket for you.

A BA driver is a moving part - it is an armature balanced between two magnets and a diaphram is attached to the end of the armature which moves when the armature is moved by the magnets (laymans terms explanation). Balanced armatures are generally more expensive to produce, they are alot smaller and more complex

and why the fascination with red? lol seriously...you're gonna miss out if you're basing your buying decisions on colour.. :-/
(solution - buy JH5 Pro's with red shells)
I think you may be right about the X5's i was just listening to the HF5's and X10's on different songs and what struck me was how the high frequencies stood out and gripped me emotionally on the songs where that was important with the HF5's but were slightly drowned out by the bass with the X10's then on the songs where bass was important for the overall feeling and warmth of the song the X10's were more suited, still the high frequencies were just not quite distinct enough.

So i was going to ask you guys to recommend something in between and yes i think the X5 will fulfill that role.

I'll trade in the X10's for now, get some X5's and maybe some of the others that people have suggested, quite interested in the Ortophone EQ-7.

Edit: and hey, i just like red, more specifically metallic red, just a preference.

I'm going to try the X5's reds not an absolute requirement...
post #20 of 22
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Because amount of bass is not directly proportional to price. I find most dynamic iem's including a few costing more than the hf5 to be muddy and IMO a worse overall sound. The driver in the x10 must be tuned to produce more bass.
Oh, i meant, considering it's single BA why so expensive, guess that's something else i don't understand though, will keep reading.
post #21 of 22
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considering it's single BA why so expensive,
Sennheiser ie8 are single driver as are the cx300... It's all about the quality of the driver. It's a toss up between multiple drivers and the ensuing complications of crossovers to get the full range or a very well tuned single driver. After all the er4p/s is a single driver and is still considered one of the finest universals on the market after nearly a decade.
post #22 of 22
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Whoooo!! yay!! Just managed to get some Klipsch X10's for 111 pounds including delivery

Now i can return the ones i got from amazon for 176 pounds and not feel I've over spent.

I'm still probably going to pick up some X5's as i might like the sound better.

Thanks again for all the helps
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