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I need more bass than the Etymotics HF5's

post #1 of 22
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Hello Head Fi,
i recently bought a pair of Etymotics HF5's and Klipsch X10's to see if i could tell any difference in sound quality.

Well, there obviously is, this is my first foray into the world of in ear headphones, in the past I've mostly used any old pair of cheap out ear, or more expensive full sized headphones for my home usage.

I'm amazed by the Klipsch X10's they are so small, yet put out such a smooth bassy sound and the mid range and high range seem to blend perfectly into deep bassy mixture.

Also they X10's are ridiculously comfortable compared to the HF5's, they only need these little single flange ear tips which don't need to burrow into your ear cavity to deliver thick bassy immersion.

So why not keep the X10's, well, firstly they are super expensive and i don't think I'd use them enough to justify the cost, secondly i would like some headphones that are metallic red (like my HF5's).

So are there any alternatives to the HF5's/X10's that can deliver a combination of the features i am looking for, which is deep bass and being metallic red(or black/metallic red)?

For now price is not of concern and ideally they would be in the same size range as the X10's/HF5's.

Edit: I have also read about different ear tips altering the bass response of some IEM's could this possibly be a solution to my bass problem with the HF5's?
post #2 of 22
Maybe the mc5 when it is released though i'm just assuming based on the ety sound sig. and the nature of dynamic drivers. Other than that I got nothing (in that price range). Above the range the only one I can think of straight away is the ortofon e-q7.
post #3 of 22
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Originally Posted by Marcus_C View Post
Maybe the mc5 when it is released though i'm just assuming based on the ety sound sig. and the nature of dynamic drivers. Other than that I got nothing (in that price range). Above the range the only one I can think of straight away is the ortofon e-q7.
I like i look of the MC5's, the Ortophone's are cool too, about the same price as the X-10's and have a metallic red/black version, quite a lot bigger though, however if the sound quality is dramatically improved that's something I'd learn not to mind.

Do you suppose the MC5's are going to be more bassy than the HF5's then?

Thanks you've given me some leads to follow.
post #4 of 22
just to make you aware, the X10's tips will fit on the HF5's. When I had my HF5's I used klipsch tips, super comfy.
post #5 of 22
Hmpf.. The only metallic red IEMs I know is MylarOne Quattro.. I don't know about the deep bass, though..
post #6 of 22
Red color? Ortofon e-Q7...and the new Radius HP-TWF11R with multiple dynamic drivers. Or you can always go customs, whatever red you want, you will get it.
post #7 of 22
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Originally Posted by timmyGCSE View Post
just to make you aware, the X10's tips will fit on the HF5's. When I had my HF5's I used klipsch tips, super comfy.
Yea i tried that out, haven't listening enough to decide if it weakens the base though, the Klipsch tips (default ones) seem to have less isolation, but that doesn't seem to matter with them.

I think that with the HF5's you need really good isolation and a deep seal to be able to good bass.

It' all very subjective though, i just got the Klipsch X10's today so i haven't experimented enough to draw firm conclusions.
post #8 of 22
the trouble is you're comparing a bass heavy phone to a bass light phone side by side and you're going to put the HF5's in and think wtf...but trust me give them a week just the HF5's and you will start to realise just how good they are and how the bass, whilst not slammin, is good.
But if you do want more bass, may I suggest caring less about whether its red or not as a tip - I've done t before and ordered the earphone I thought looked nicer and realised it wasn't for me. If you want an earphone that retains the Ety signature but still gives you some bass, RE0's. The bass still doesn't slam bam thankyou ma'am like the X10's will but compared to the HF5's it has more.
Maybe Atrio M5/M8's would suit your tastes...maybe..but they don't look all that urm..quite possibly Sennheiser IE7 but I can't comment on them
post #9 of 22
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Originally Posted by Mpyra View Post
Yea i tried that out, haven't listening enough to decide if it weakens the base though, the Klipsch tips (default ones) seem to have less isolation, but that doesn't seem to matter with them.

I think that with the HF5's you need really good isolation and a deep seal to be able to good bass.

It' all very subjective though, i just got the Klipsch X10's today so i haven't experimented enough to draw firm conclusions.
Did you use the triple flange on HF5? it gave me the best bass response and the best isolation I have experienced so far(without going custom), in fact, I could even feel the bass note when it hits. The HF5 has very tight bass, and very little reverberation and impact. If you want a lot of impact from bass with shallow insertion, you need to consider some of the dynamic IEMs which move a lot more air. Check out this thread:
http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f103/t...-often-476315/
post #10 of 22
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Originally Posted by timmyGCSE View Post
the trouble is you're comparing a bass heavy phone to a bass light phone side by side and you're going to put the HF5's in and think wtf...but trust me give them a week just the HF5's and you will start to realise just how good they are and how the bass, whilst not slammin, is good.
But if you do want more bass, may I suggest caring less about whether its red or not as a tip - I've done t before and ordered the earphone I thought looked nicer and realised it wasn't for me. If you want an earphone that retains the Ety signature but still gives you some bass, RE0's. The bass still doesn't slam bam thankyou ma'am like the X10's will but compared to the HF5's it has more.
Maybe Atrio M5/M8's would suit your tastes...maybe..but they don't look all that urm..quite possibly Sennheiser IE7 but I can't comment on them
Well, i think it has a lot to do with the music i am listening to, which is ambient trance good examples would be Asura and Solarfields, you just need bass for it to work, but you absolutely need it to be in balance with high frequencies, good ambient trance music needs good response on all frequencies, but too little bass and too much detail high frequencies is probably the greatest experience killer.

I agree the the HF5's are great earphones, just perhaps not quite suited to the genre of music i like best, still too early to tell, got a lot of different things to try like ear buds etc...
post #11 of 22
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Originally Posted by koonhua90 View Post
Did you use the triple flange on HF5? it gave me the best bass response and the best isolation I have experienced so far(without going custom), in fact, I could even feel the bass note when it hits. The HF5 has very tight bass, and very little reverberation and impact. If you want a lot of impact from bass with shallow insertion, you need to consider some of the dynamic IEMs which move a lot more air. Check out this thread:
http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f103/t...-often-476315/
I have tried all of the included ear buds/flanges, i found that the small triple flange gave great isolation and was more comfortable than the larger flange, I'm pretty sure that the foam buds gave better bass though at the expense of a little isolation.

So, the Klipsch X10 is such a dynamic IEM which moves a lot of air?

Long thread is long lol, i will have a read through a little later.

Would the MC5 be more allowing of a more shallow insertion?
post #12 of 22
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Originally Posted by Mpyra View Post
Well, i think it has a lot to do with the music i am listening to, which is ambient trance good examples would be Asura and Solarfields, you just need bass for it to work, but you absolutely need it to be in balance with high frequencies, good ambient trance music needs good response on all frequencies, but too little bass and too much detail high frequencies is probably the greatest experience killer.

I agree the the HF5's are great earphones, just perhaps not quite suited to the genre of music i like best, still too early to tell, got a lot of different things to try like ear buds etc...
RE0's are great with electronica save drum n bass and dubstep where 'phat' bass is perhaps the focus. It is a tight controlled but punchy bass, trace and techno fans need apply. RE0's to me didn't work with Hip-Hop and such but everything else I was able to enjoy them quite a bit.
For the record, my favorite techno phones of all time evaaaar was the dirt cheap Meelectronics M6's.

And the X10's are single balanced armature
post #13 of 22
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Originally Posted by Mpyra View Post
I have tried all of the included ear buds/flanges, i found that the small triple flange gave great isolation and was more comfortable than the larger flange, I'm pretty sure that the foam buds gave better bass though at the expense of a little isolation.

So, the Klipsch X10 is such a dynamic IEM which moves a lot of air?

Long thread is long lol, i will have a read through a little later.

Would the MC5 be more allowing of a more shallow insertion?
X10 is single BA IEM. The general consensus is that dynamic driver can move more air, thus can easily produce visceral bass. But quantity may not equal quality all the time. Most higher ends are BA iem, but there have been quite a lot of good dynamic iem recently. Dynamic doesn't mean good bass, just that since the diaphragm is bigger it's easier to produce the quantity needed. Just my 2 cents. By the way, for the thread you can just read the first few posts for impressions.
post #14 of 22
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Originally Posted by timmyGCSE View Post
RE0's are great with electronica save drum n bass and dubstep where 'phat' bass is perhaps the focus. It is a tight controlled but punchy bass, trace and techno fans need apply. RE0's to me didn't work with Hip-Hop and such but everything else I was able to enjoy them quite a bit.
For the record, my favorite techno phones of all time evaaaar was the dirt cheap Meelectronics M6's.

And the X10's are single balanced armature
Okay, well i can't find the RE0's in red in the UK at the moment, i will keep looking.

I'm not really into Drum and Bass or dub step or even techno, trance or house for that matter.

I don't actually know what the genre of music i like is called, guess it's in the ambient-electronica kind of area, some artists i like i have seen being described as psychill and psybient, others i have seen being described as neoclassical.

The point is that it's not a thudding base line that i am looking for, it's the long slow deep bassy tones that the high frequencies emerge from that's important otherwise, the song has no warmth.

Similarly the high frequencies have to emerge and take a life of their own to give the song sweetness, sharpness and edginess.

Lol i am new to this whole describing sound thing.

Shouldn't the X10's be cheaper then? and why so much bass with no moving coil?

No wonder their so small...
post #15 of 22
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Originally Posted by koonhua90 View Post
X10 is single BA IEM. The general consensus is that dynamic driver can move more air, thus can easily produce visceral bass. But quantity may not equal quality all the time. Most higher ends are BA iem, but there have been quite a lot of good dynamic iem recently. Dynamic doesn't mean good bass, just that since the diaphragm is bigger it's easier to produce the quantity needed. Just my 2 cents. By the way, for the thread you can just read the first few posts for impressions.
With the X10's could it be that because it is so small and short, the entire BA is inside your ear and the seal is very comfortable even when deep you don't really notice it because it's so small.

It's kind of apparent that dynamic driver does not = bass, otherwise this problem with the HF5's would not exist and Etymotic would not be adding a moving coil to their next generation of products.

As things are i feel that the high frequencies on the X10 are just no quite well enough defined, but the bass is pretty much perfect and the confortability and size make it almost perfect, unfortunately i am cheap and shallow and want a IEM that is metallic red and slightly cheaper, the X-10 is so close to blowing me away with it's sound i almost wouldn't care about the price and color, but sadly falls just short.

I wish the iphone had an EQ, that little bit of tweakability might make all the difference, though i really like the way a lot of my music is mixed, i guess a hardware solution is preferable.

I think I'm about done, there seems to be no other choice than to try a bunch out, I'll start reading through that thread properly might give me some clues.

Thanks.
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