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post #16 of 24
I haven't read anyone mention so I will. I run WMA variable 240-355. It comes with Windows Media Player, and started using it just because it's there. Anyway how does it compare with V0? It was always my understanding that when using high bit rates that it doesn't really matter.
post #17 of 24
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Originally Posted by Hentai11 View Post
Trust your ears. I find 320 ABR a happy compromise. v0 is too low, I can hear the loss of quality on the rigs I use. 320 CBR is too high, I hear artifacts in old, low-bitrate analog recordings.
Whether it's my ears or my equipment, V0 was only just a hair better to me than V2, so arguably using V0 is overkill -- at least for me, at this particular moment in time. I chose to encode everything in V0 just because I don't mind taking a bit of a hit in space for possibility of a little more listening enjoyment overall.

As I'm relatively new to this headphone hobby but have been at least a part-time audiophile much of my life, I realize that even when/if I pull the trigger on the very best equipment, my ears might still be almost as happy listening to V2 as V0s.

Regardless, whenever doing any critical listening (which I wish I had more time for), it's just a lot more satisfying to remove even the slightest audio doubt by going straight to the flacs. Especially with SDXC cards measured in terabytes likely to be available in the near future, listening to anything lossy will just make less and less sense with each passing year anyway.
post #18 of 24
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Originally Posted by bikertrash View Post
I haven't read anyone mention so I will. I run WMA variable 240-355. It comes with Windows Media Player, and started using it just because it's there. Anyway how does it compare with V0? It was always my understanding that when using high bit rates that it doesn't really matter.
Best to abx them both to see if it really does make a difference to you. My guess is like most people, you couldn't tell the difference most of the time. If you are going to take your music with you though, I think mp3 V0 is the best choice for any number of reasons, battery life being an important one. As to wma, I've seen some pretty extensive testing on ogg and it's substantial hit on portable enjoyment, but here is at least one thread that mentions wma as also robbing battery hours:

Mp3 kbps battery drain? - Samsung P3 - abi>>forums
post #19 of 24
Thread Starter 
there is no doubt that ogg sounds very good. I read some more about ogg and mp3 and in some research they said that in ogg the developers invested more in order to preserve the middle frequencies and it is noticeably heard.
in mp3 they put the mark on the highs more than the mids..but ogg highs are not bad either.
I personally like ogg for its sound but mp3 for its battery saving.
I had very good results with mp3 v-0 and i don't think i would ever notice between 320 cbr and v-0.
post #20 of 24
I use dbpoweramp CD ripper too. I use the LAME mp3 encoder set on -V0. I've ripped almost 450 CDs and it has been working very well. As far as the quality, I'm very happy with the results so far. Admittedly I don't own any high-end audio equipment. I have a few rigs and my current favorite is my 2009 iPod Classic 160GB w/ Senn PX-100s.

LAME -V0 allows me to carry my current collection of 434 complete albums (5313 songs) in just over 40GB. I have all the source CDs so I figure I will invest in some decent home audio equipment somewhere down the line, but for portable use (and currently all uses) it suits my ears fine.

My laptop (only computer I have) has a small hard drive. My entire iTunes library is stored on a 1TB external drive, but staying with -V0 allows me to keep it all on my ipod Classic, plus keeps it feasible to back it up on DVD-R (40-50 albums per disc) which I also do. Yes, I'm terrified of the thought of having to re-rip all these CDs. LOL

I collect CDs as a hobby now, and my setup will allow me to store another 1000+ CDs before I can't keep them all on this Classic. If I used ALAC it would be close to full already, for no discernable difference in quality to my ears (with my rig).

I think you got good advice with the blind testing suggestion...

Eric
post #21 of 24
For most people who can hear the difference between 320kbps CBR mp3's and 256kbps VBR the difference is only minute. Sure it's there but in most cases, in a sensible world, it's not worth the slight SQ increase when compared with the increased file size for portable use.
So I'll make this recommendation. LAME encoded -v0 mp3's for portable use & FLAC for archiving.
This article is also worth the read if your interested in mp3's. LAME - Hydrogenaudio Knowledgebase
post #22 of 24

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Edited by labrat - 9/15/11 at 5:11am
post #23 of 24
@ Wrist-Fi: My choice--and yours, it seems--is based on what I could ABX. I could only tell the difference between 320 ABR and FLAC by really hard work in pristine conditions. After brief consideration, I couldn't justify the twentyfold jump in filesize.

By contrast, I could spot a V2 track in a V0 queue instantly, it's so jarring that I'll immediately re-rip the recording. But I'm a freak that way.

@labrat: x2 on the EAC, an essential--and free--tool for quality rips from CDs. Can also rip to mp3, but I prefer to rip to WAV because I like dbPoweramp's features.
post #24 of 24
Thread Starter 
since I ditched my clip in favour of the D2 I returned to flac. i must say that it sounds amazing with great clarity and resolution that I didn't get with mp3.
ogg was better to my ears,it pronounces the mids much better than the mp3 files and has more resolution. I prefer it over mp3.
it was a nice experiment and a great journey through the "lossy ways" but now I will return to my amazing sounding flac files and to my "improved" D2.
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