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Originally Posted by cn11 View Post

DDM is a close second in favorites status behind the SM3 for me, and definitely a huge bang for the buck. Even though the SM3 & DDM are rather different, the SM3 is still far and away the closest BA I've heard to what dynamics do in conveying music with soul, naturalness, and pace. The Earsonics definitely do that in spades too. I couldn't get on board with the DBA's if they didn't have that quality as well, no matter how good a value. 


How close it the SM3? I know that from my experience dynamics and BA tend to sound different in two areas and those being bass and timbre. Is the SM3 close to dynamics in those areas or just better than what most BA driver based phones do.

 

Also I understand about the DBA-02. I feel the same way about the DDM. They may be a good value and certainly the reviews/impressions I've read confirm that but their signature sounds like it may not be for me so it may not be that great a value for myself.

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I went SM3 because they had more of a dynamics type of sound. Having said that I do still find my MTPC to be nicer or at least as compelling for certain genre's. I won't say more because I just sent my MTPC in for warranty and am waiting until they are back and burned in before I do an actual A/B comparison/review. Overall though the SM3 is technically better than the MTPC I believe, just not so much that I will completely replace my Copper's. But I also bought the SM3 because of the soundstage which is truly unique and large if the song calls for it.

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To say the DBAs "can't touch" the SM3s needs to be qualified, as always. We all know you meant in your opinion, the DBA can't touch the SM3. Otherwise, that statement really is misleading, as if there is no way the two might even be comparable, and anyone who thinks so is some kind of audio moron. I guess to even things out, personal preference being what it is and all, in my view, the SM3 in the end could not touch the DBA. Why does everything have to be so confrontational with you? It wasn't that long ago you were chastising the "guardians of the SM3" as being IEM snobs. Try to lighten up. You didn't care for the DBAs, that's fine. Take a look around, a couple of people sold them because they didn't fit well, but no one has yet to criticize their SQ. Well, no one but you. And the lineup of those with positive views - Joker, rarwster, LFF to name a few - have some pretty good credentials/experience.

 

While he's not the final word in IEM reviews, nor would he say he is, you might want to check out Mike's post on the DBAs in his massive IEM review thread. I'd say he gets a decent amount of respect around here. I know it won't change your mind, but he provides a nicely detailed view on the DBAs and why he and others like them so much.

 

 

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Originally Posted by ericp10 View Post

My two cents @ Anaxilus: I wasn't impressed with the DBA02 at all except the treble was nice (and I'm not really a treble guy). The DBA doesn't touch the SM3. I never said the SM3 was the best universal IEM period, so no bandwagon for me to jump off. I did say they're the best IEMs I've heard from a technical standpoint. I think that holds true, although other I own in the dynamic driver area have stepped up - particularly the FX700. I also said that the SM3 is the best balanced armature I have ever heard. That still stands (unless when I get the SM2 and like it better than it's big brother). Neither of those qualities make it the best IEM. Again, and I keep saying this, no matter how good an IEM is, if it doesn't meet your sound sig. requirements, it won't and can't be your favorite. So Anaxilus, you ordered, go ahead and get it. You may hear it and think it's the best thing you ever heard and meets your sound sig. If not, send it back or sell it. I really have no plans to sell my SM3, but I want to hear the SE535. Now, if the SE535 sounds better than the SM3 to me, I will get rid of the SM3. The SE530, however, falls quite short to the SM3. And I hear the SE535 basically sounds like the SE530 except for better highs. I doubt that would be enough for me to think the Shure's are better.
 


 

Edited by slaters70 - 7/26/10 at 5:58pm
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So the idea is that if you listen to the DBAs your music will not have soul, naturalness and pace? Just as an FYI, LFF, the HFer who first reviewed the DBAs (and convinced me to give them a try), records and mixes music for a living, and he says the DBAs are the closet IEMs he has heard (and he has hear many, if not the SM3) to the real deal (actual singers and musicians performing live in the studio and such), so I think that at least on the naturalness scale, they probably pass the test. As for soul and pace, I believe they are very fast IEMs, if that's what you mean (again, check Joker's review for some specifics on that front). As for soul, the DBAs have plenty spare, if by that you mean the music can move you.

 

Again, the SM3s ... very nice BAs. I am not criticizing them at all, just saying they are overly warm in my view, and in the view of a few others. I would not label them as FOTM, though. I don't like that term at all. They are among the best I have heard, just not my preference as we like to say.

 

You should give them a try, you might just like them, as you do have a good ear for quality sound.
 

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Originally Posted by cn11 View Post




DDM is a close second in favorites status behind the SM3 for me, and definitely a huge bang for the buck. Even though the SM3 & DDM are rather different, the SM3 is still far and away the closest BA I've heard to what dynamics do in conveying music with soul, naturalness, and pace. The Earsonics definitely do that in spades too. I couldn't get on board with the DBA's if they didn't have that quality as well, no matter how good a value. 

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Originally Posted by slaters70 View Post

So the idea is that if you listen to the DBAs your music will not have soul, naturalness and pace? Just as an FYI, LFF, the HFer who first reviewed the DBAs (and convinced me to give them a try), records and mixes music for a living, and he says the DBAs are the closet IEMs he has heard (and he has hear many, if not the SM3) to the real deal (actual singers and musicians performing live in the studio and such), so I think that at least on the naturalness scale, they probably pass the test. As for soul and pace, I believe they are very fast IEMs, if that's what you mean (again, check Joker's review for some specifics on that front). As for soul, the DBAs have plenty spare, if by that you mean the music can move you.

 

Again, the SM3s ... very nice BAs. I am not criticizing them at all, just saying they are overly warm in my view, and in the view of a few others. I would not label them as FOTM, though. I don't like that term at all. They are among the best I have heard, just not my preference as we like to say.

 

You should give them a try, you might just like them, as you do have a good ear for quality sound.
 


 

 

I think I'll pass, thanks. 
 

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That's a shame, because I would like to hear your view on them. But to be fair, it is the same reasoning behind why I sold the SM3s. I passed on those IEMs, you might say. They just didn't sound all that good to me, especially at the silly price I paid. And some of my best friends on HF love them.

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No earphone is beyond FOTM status. It does have a negative meaning now however but if it's popular that month which is what the SM3 went through it is a FOTM. It just means it is popular that month but after that initial month time will tell if it is good or not and I believe it is a good earphone and will last the next couple months and still remain up there. Every single of the top tier went through them at one point..W3, UM3X, SE530, IE8, etc. and the next top big thing will go through them as well.

 

I just don't like how FOTM is automatically associated with something negative now.

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Agree. That's what I meant about the SM3. I don't like the negative connotation. I would not put the SE530 and the Ety ER4P in the FOTM category, though. Like them or not, they have legs. Can't say that yet for the IE8, UM3X, W3 or SM3s, or DBA for that matter. LOL.

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For me FOTM means that their qualities have been embellished and exaggerated. It's not necessarily negative but it does give me a good idea of the sound signature. People end up getting used to it and then move on to something new. After listening to the SM3, I can say that they are definitely in the top tier range of iems.

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No disagreement from me on the SM3s, just not my preferred signature is all.

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I love Mike / Joker's reviews.  His review of the CK10 lead me to get it as an upgrade on my ER4P/S.  Unfortunately, I just didn't get on well with the treble emphasis of the Audio Technicas, and this I think is a classic example of where one man's meat is another's poison. Sound preferences are no different from taste buds in that respect, and what might lead you and Mike to the promised lands of the DBAs and (less so in your case) CK10s might lead others to slightly warmer phones such as the SM3.

 

Which is why I'm simultaneously intrigued by and wary of the DBAs. If they're as bright sounding as the CK10s, it'll be too much for me. 

 

Does the science exist to record directly from iems?  In the turntable cartridge world, there are downloadable recordings of some cartridges using reference tracks to allow you to hear the sonic differences between them.  Its not an exact measurement, obviously, but it does work.  Is it at all possible to do similarly with iems? 

 

 

 

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To say the DBAs "can't touch" the SM3s needs to be qualified, as always. We all know you meant in your opinion, the DBA can't touch the SM3. Otherwise, that statement really is misleading, as if there is no way the two might even be comparable, and anyone who thinks so is some kind of audio moron. I guess to even things out, personal preference being what it is and all, in my view, the SM3 in the end could not touch the DBA. Why does everything have to be so confrontational with you? It wasn't that long ago you were chastising the "guardians of the SM3" as being IEM snobs. Try to lighten up. You didn't care for the DBAs, that's fine. Take a look around, a couple of people sold them because they didn't fit well, but no one has yet to criticize their SQ. Well, no one but you. And the lineup of those with positive views - Joker, rarwster, LFF to name a few - have some pretty good credentials/experience.

 

While he's not the final word in IEM reviews, nor would he say he is, you might want to check out Mike's post on the DBAs in his massive IEM review thread. I'd say he gets a decent amount of respect around here. I know it won't change your mind, but he provides a nicely detailed view on the DBAs and why he and others like them so much.

 

 


 
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I concur with Eric on this one. A/Bing the SM3 and SE530, the most striking difference to my ears is better detail resolution and refinement on the Earsonics across the whole frequency range. Both phones have a quite similar smooth and warmish sound signature with laid-back treble, but (metaphorically speaking) the SM3 sound more like SE550 than SE535 in comparison. Therefore I suspect that the SE535's improvements over the SE530 may be not be significant enough to match the SM3. Anyway, looking forward to your impressions, Eric!
 

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Originally Posted by ericp10 View Post

I really have no plans to sell my SM3, but I want to hear the SE535. Now, if the SE535 sounds better than the SM3 to me, I will get rid of the SM3. The SE530, however, falls quite short to the SM3. And I hear the SE535 basically sounds like the SE530 except for better highs. I doubt that would be enough for me to think the Shure's are better.

 

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Apparently the 535's have better sound stage, and better highs so the 535's might be comprable to the SM3s. 
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Yeah @ rawrster, I was disappointed too. I did want to like the DBA more than I did, and it wasn't an awful IEM to me. I think it was two elements that didn't allow us to become friends: there wasn't enough bass POW!! for me and I don't think I meshed with the sound signatures I'm drawn to. But I definitely wouldn't imply that the DBA is a terrible earphone. Like I said, I'm not a treble guy really, but the treble really stood out the most to me from the DBAs. It's nicely constructed too, but it just not my cup of tea.
 

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Originally Posted by rawrster View Post

eric I think that new thread about the se535 will interest you whenever the conclusions of that thread shows up in a couple weeks :) It may turn out to be the first direct A/B comparison.

 

It's a shame about the DBA-02 as I am quite impressed and not sure how it get betters from a bang for your buck category but one day I'll hear the DDM which is supposed to be a big bang for your buck as well. One earphone can't satisfy everyone so that's fine with me. It's probably has something to due with sound signature however :)

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Slaters70 what is your problem? You seem to always have a problem with me and what I type. The first three words>>> "My two cents..." That equals my opinion. You've never seen me say an IEM was great or terrible that I didn't personally own and/or hear. And I always make sure I convey it as my opinion. I have never purported to have the end all opinion and last word on IEMs. All I can go on is my feelings, and that is all that I do go on. MY OPINIONS ARE VERY SUBJECTIVE!! I have never said that rawrster, joker, LFF or even you were wrong in your opinions. So the only conclusion I can reach is that you are full drama, slaters70. And this b.s. about chastising the "guardians of the SM3," you're acting a little disjointed to me dude. I said that I didn't believe SM3 was king (before I heard it), because I didn't believe in one king in universals. My opinion. I didn't say the SM3 wasn't great as everyone was reporting.Then guess what? I got the SM3, have had it for a while now, think it's great also, but STILL DON'T SEE IT AS KING OF THE UNIVERSALS. So, I'm being negative? I'm chastising the "gaurdians of the SM3"? And there are IEM snobs here. You may just as well be one of them the way you carry on. 

 

Look, I don't tell anyone that my word is head-fi gospel. A lot of people as me questions in public about my experiences with various IEM - since I've owned so many - and I give it. A lot of people pm me with questions. I try to answer them all,  but most will tell you that I always end my opinion with>> "whatever I like or don't like, it really depends on your sound sig. preference and you have to hear these IEMs for yourself." So slaters70, quit being a drama queen, or save this confrontation for someone else. I will continue to give my opinion, and if you don't like it, please block me so that you can't read my font. You are one of the few troublemakers I see in this forum. You have some nerve trying to take me to task over MY OPINIONS. As long as I'm not being rude or bullying anyone (as you like to try to do) I have the right and will continue to state my opinion, regardless of whether it's to your liking. You might as well not type anything else to me, because I'm not changing. I don't need to change. 
 

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Originally Posted by slaters70 View Post

To say the DBAs "can't touch" the SM3s needs to be qualified, as always. We all know you meant in your opinion, the DBA can't touch the SM3. Otherwise, that statement really is misleading, as if there is no way the two might even be comparable, and anyone who thinks so is some kind of audio moron. I guess to even things out, personal preference being what it is and all, in my view, the SM3 in the end could not touch the DBA. Why does everything have to be so confrontational with you? It wasn't that long ago you were chastising the "guardians of the SM3" as being IEM snobs. Try to lighten up. You didn't care for the DBAs, that's fine. Take a look around, a couple of people sold them because they didn't fit well, but no one has yet to criticize their SQ. Well, no one but you. And the lineup of those with positive views - Joker, rarwster, LFF to name a few - have some pretty good credentials/experience.

 

While he's not the final word in IEM reviews, nor would he say he is, you might want to check out Mike's post on the DBAs in his massive IEM review thread. I'd say he gets a decent amount of respect around here. I know it won't change your mind, but he provides a nicely detailed view on the DBAs and why he and others like them so much.

 

 


 

 

By the way, the DBA doesn't touch the SM3 IN MY OPINION, AGAIN. Funny, I never like the TF10, but a few head-fiers I highly respect love them, and we don't have a falling out over it. They speak about their love of the TF10 with just as much vigor as I speak about not liking them, and we all get along very well. I value James444, cn11, soozieq, rawrster, dweaver, koonhua, and search's (when he was here) opinions very highly. And guess what? We don't always agree, but there is never any drama. Anyway, let me get pass this jerk as usual.


Edited by ericp10 - 7/27/10 at 6:56am
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