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Originally Posted by Photofan1986 View Post

 

Do you guys think that the SM3 can bring that to me? (please say NO indecision)

Thanks!


Sorry for your wallet, but yes!
 

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Originally Posted by KLS View Post

Hi @photofan1986,

 

The SM3 is not 2x better than IE8. They both have different sound signature.

 

I am using stock comply tips with SM3 and medium silicone stock tips with IE8. Below are some of my brief comparison:

 

  • SM3 has a more laid back highs compared to IE8.
  • SM3 has a fuller and forward midrange compared to IE8.
  • SM3 has a tighter bass compared to IE8.
  • SM3 has better 3D presentation, better soundstage depth compared to IE8.
  • SM3 has better instrument separation compared to IE8.
  • I hate to admit this but, to my ears, IE8 has better treble details, compared to SM3 with stock comply tips. Detail is there on SM3, but you have to strain youirself to pick details up. I am going to get some custom sleeves for SM3, and hope that the sound will improve even more.

 

 

Or visit this link for more comparsion between IE8 and SM3.

http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/484989/need-new-iems-maybe-um3x-or-e-q7s#post_6584729

 

Have a look at this too.

http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/485632/earsonics-sm3-appreciation-discussion-review-thread-aka-the-most-affordable-high-priced-universal-iem/105#post_6614051


Thanks for your impressions.  Comply foam tips not only reduce the treble, but they also make it harsh/reduce the quality to my ears.  For me, the SM3 treble is the best I have heard, smooth, extended, just the right amount.  Never too much, never too little.  I firmly believe that the SM3 treble is much better than the IE8 treble due to my if this than that logic.  The Copper has smoother treble with better clarity than the IE8 (which really surprised me), and the SM3 beats the Copper's treble in detail and accuracy.
 

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Originally Posted by koonhua90 View Post




Thanks for the comparison. Hey KLS, do you have the FX-700? To me at least, the FX does all of the above, but it actually has a treble that is more sparkling than IE8's...the only thing is that the FX has a soundstage width (depth notwithstanding) that is smaller than IE8's, but that also contributes to a much more forward sounding mid.


While the FX700 might be better than the IE8 in many ways, they both still have their merits IMO (the space of the IE8 along with the "back of the jazz club" presentation).  Both present the bass and treble quite differently, the treble of the IE8 is much more polite and the bass of the FX700 has much more deep bass impact.
 

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Originally Posted by koonhua90 View Post

yo Average Joe, what kinda tip you have been using with the FX? Have you tried the smallest silicone/ smallest monster supertips? I tried it, and recommended it to Erip10...result: we both stayed up pretty late that night...


I used every shape of silicon (larger and a few medium), white and gel supertips, biflange, triple flange, etc.  I have not tried the small anything because my ear canals are large, and the small gives me no seal.  But whatever tips I have used, including very thin silicon (which is probably similar to small supertips), the realism and 3D space of the FX700 did not approach the SM3.  Sure, it is 'fun' as it has more bass and what sounds like an enhancement in the upper treble region that sounds very unnatural to me in comparison. I didn't think the FX700 had the problems I now think it has, the SM3 brought those to light.

 

My comparison of the FX700 and e-Q7 didn't leave me saying one is far superior than the other, but for my ears, I say that in comparison between the FX700 and SM3.  Tips, fit, ears, and preference play into it, but the 3D space of the SM3 with IE8 width* isn't touched by the FX, and while the e-Q7 has a very near soundstage shape, the size doesn't compare.

 

* I have not A/Bed the IE8, but I have many tracks that I know how wide the space is, as that is one of the most important things to me.  Some tracks with my sound card (and now HUD-MX1) really cause separation in the size of the soundstage, when an IEM can present the width.  The SM3 and IE8 stand alone, with the SM3 also adding the true 3D that the IE8 does not.

 

Simply put, the SM3 has the most true to life, musically accurate presentation of any IEM I have ever heard.
 

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Originally Posted by Anaxilus View Post

Since these are $400+ anyone know how these compare to custom Livewires or Unique Melody's in the same price range?  I know its not fair custom versus universal but seeing they are all BA's and roughly similar in price I figured I'd ask.


I am interested in hearing this also.  Of course, the issue with the SM3 is tips, whereas the custom is, well, custom!  I do need to get custom sleeves in the near future.
 

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Originally Posted by GuyDebord View Post

This was exactly my experience with the EM3pro's, and the radical change happened around the 200hr mark. And yes! they grow on you!

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Originally Posted by snedanator View Post

Happy postman just handed me my SM3's . Gonna put them in now


Congratulations and I am glad there is another owner that will be able to thoughts; looking forward to hearing from you!  Did you have a "what did I just do " moment, or are you enjoying them yes out of the box?  What tips do you have at your fingertips to try?


Edited by average_joe - 5/8/10 at 12:58pm
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Originally Posted by Pianist View Post

Bummer. I was about to order the SM3s, but Frank told me they don't have PayPal account and only accept credit card or money transfer and I don't have a credit card nor any money on my bank account. Can somebody buy a pair for me? I will pay you the money through PayPal.


Bump. I feel like giving up on these already. I really don't feel like doing bank transfer. I don't understand why such a serious company doesn't have PayPal account.


Edited by Pianist - 5/8/10 at 1:49pm
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Originally Posted by average_joe View Post


Thanks for your impressions.  Comply foam tips not only reduce the treble, but they also make it harsh/reduce the quality to my ears.  For me, the SM3 treble is the best I have heard, smooth, extended, just the right amount.  Never too much, never too little.  I firmly believe that the SM3 treble is much better than the IE8 treble due to my if this than that logic.  The Copper has smoother treble with better clarity than the IE8 (which really surprised me), and the SM3 beats the Copper's treble in detail and accuracy.

 Is this a typo here (no offense intended), SM3 with foam tips has harsh treble? I don't feel any sense of harshness in the treble on SM3 using stock foam tips...Treble is very smooth even with stock foam tips.

 

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Simply put, the SM3 has the most true to life, musically accurate presentation of any IEM I have ever heard.

Second this wholeheartedly


Edited by KLS - 5/8/10 at 1:47pm
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@average_joe, please help @pianist

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AverageJoe is willing to help. Thanks mate. angle

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Perhaps I should contemplate about selling my IE8 and get this SM3..... Well @ average_Joe, too bad you don't get a proper fit with the FX. The problem that you said before in earlier posts, such as recessed mid is no longer there, with a deeper insertion. I concur with you, cos' when I used the other tips, I had the same problems as what you had. Instrument separation and clarity is a notch better when I used the small tips (for Ericp10, he preferred the smallest supertips), but the key is, the tips need to be small. I know what you mean by 'unnatural' treble, for me it sounded a tad harsh. But the use of small tips solves that, making the treble smooth, while bringing the mid upfront. The micro details it pours into the ear, is simply incredible (for me at least).

 

Strangely, KLS said that to him IE8 has better treble detail. But for me, the FX beats the IE8 hands down in the high frequency regions. Guess the ear structure plays a big role in the sound you hear. Hopefully, one day the SM3 will be more easily available in US, with a better price. 400 is too much for me, if it's something like a 350, I'd definitely jump in the bandwagon 

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@koonhua90, perhaps I should put in this way: IE8 has more sparkle in the treble compared to SM3 with stock foam tips. As far as I am concerned, @average_joe is using Monster triple flange with his SM3, and I really think that choices of tips makes big difference.

 

I have only tried Shure yellow fomaies and the stock tips with SM3. With Shure foamies, treble becomes more prominent, and I can pick up details easily. However, like I have stated earlier in this thread, using Shure foamies with SM3 sacrifices the dynamic and 3D presentation for clarity. So most of the time I am using stock foam tips.

 

By the way, below is an input of @midoo1990 and my response to him within this thread:

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Originally Posted by midoo1990 View Post

hmm,average joe or shigzeo,are they as warm as um3x?honestly my only problem with the um3x is they are pretty warm.the ie8 is much less warm when it fits shalow.also cymbals are the only instrument that are left alone at the back of my head with no sparkle or shimmer.

surprisingly,i love the sound of um3x especially with trance,it makes for a very intimate feel and vocals in trance sound like heaven as you feel that it is only singing for you and you can hear every beat and little details because of that intimate presentation.

Edit:also the cable of um3x is something to behold,easily better than that of ck10 and on par with that of ie8.it seems that the sm3 using the same awesame cable.

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Originally Posted by KLS View Post


 

I think this applies to SM3 too. I tried some EQ, and find that leveling up several dbs in around 2K makes cymbals more prominent, or upfront. However, by EQing, the house sound of EarSonics is gone. The EarSomics sound is something I like.

 

I have yet to hear UM3X, and I am not @average_joe nor @shigzeo, to my ears SM3 is a tad warmer than IE8, and mids is more forward compared to IE8.
 

EDIT: Based on stock tips.

 

In some tracks, using stock foam tips with SM3, I really have strain myself just to pick up the cymbals. But using Shure foamies on SM3, I don't have to strain myself to find the cymbals, they just flow into my ears naturally.

 

That's why when I comment on SM3, I always remember myself to clarify that: Based on stock tips

 


Edited by KLS - 5/8/10 at 3:05pm
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Originally Posted by KLS View Post

@koonhua90, perhaps I should put in this way: IE8 has more sparkle in the treble compared to SM3 with stock foam tips. As far as I am concerned, @average_joe is using Monster triple flange with his SM3, and I really think that choices of tips makes big difference.

 

I have only tried Shure yellow fomaies and the stock tips with SM3. With Shure foamies, treble becomes more prominent, and I can pick up details easily. However, like I have stated earlier in this thread, using Shure foamies with SM3 sacrifices the dynamic and 3D presentation for clarity. So most of the time I am using stock foam tips.

 

By the way, below is an input of @midoo1990 and my response to him within this thread:

 

In some tracks, using stock foam tips with SM3, I really have strain myself just to pick up the cymbals. But using Shure foamies on SM3, I don't have to strain myself to find the cymbals, they just flow into my ears naturally.

 

That's why when I comment on SM3, I always remember myself to clarify that: Based on stock tips

 


I see your point. And may I say that the source (which player, which amp) also plays quite a big role in deciding the sound. But for now, my limiting factor is the source, and too bad both the SFlo2 and pico slim I ordered is not going to come in anytime soon.

 

Speaking of which, perhaps KLS you should get the Monster Turbine Pro, then you will be able to get the triple flange  (just joking). This is really exciting time for IEM, with things like SM3, DBA-02, Radius, and q-Jays coming out. Just out of curiosity, what is the average selling price of a used IE8?

 

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I was seriously thinking of getting the Copper. But since the awesome sale is over, I am not willing to spend to much money now...

 

And you mean X-jays?  If this turn out to be a real monster, we are going to broke...

 

As for selling price of IE8, no idea how the pirce goes in FS forum, but in Yahoo auction Japan,

a used pair usually goes around USD240 max.


Edited by KLS - 5/8/10 at 3:22pm
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Yeah, my bad, it's the X-jays with quad BA drivers. It's getting harder to remember the name of these IEMs, as more and more have fancy names. Yeah, we are in the same boat, I too do not want to spend more, as I just dropped another 200 on the SFlo2 a few days ago. 

 

I could try amazon or ebay for one, on amazon it goes for around 250, but those are bigger retailers. Price on ebay don't look really promising though. Anyway, thanks for replying.

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Well with me being new to headfi and me just owning a nano and shure E2c's for about 7 years, i got into the forums and liked the reading of all the sources, earphones, portable amps, sound signatures blah blah blah. So i bought an Imod P v caps, cables, Ibasso T3D. Then i was looking for a really good earphone but i was not sure what one to get, i just wanted the best that i could afford like everybody else, but you hear people saying they would like more bass rather than just a flat neutral sound, but untill you hear a certain earphone you dont really know how much bass you really need if you know what i mean, so acording to the reading on the forums about the SM3 they sounded if they would be for me. I tried the earsonics just out of the hp out on the imod as i am waiting on my ibasso T3D comming on monday. I dont know if i was expecting too much from earphones with me being used to listening to real hifi speakers with a subwoofer. Maybe im not giving them a chance, they might be better in a couple of weeks after some burning in but not to sure if you get a big improvement. With me being a beginner im not sure if it will be enough, or when i get my Ibasso on monday will it make a big improvement when connected to the P V Caps. I also have various tips on order to see if they would make a difference. Dont get me wrong the sound that you get out of them is amazing, exactly as desribed in the forums from Average Joe. Dont really know what to do really. Help needed.

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what tips are you using? if it is comply toss it in your drawer and order silicon tips or if the nozzle is thin as se530 shure olive.

the comply tips muffle the sound and make the highs non existance,i only use them when i am out because they isolate extremly well and give me intimate sound.

EDIT: if you dont need portability,i would have suggested to get full size cans like d5000.now that would give you subwooferous bass.


Edited by midoo1990 - 5/8/10 at 5:38pm
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Using stock ones just now but i have ordered these http://www.sensorcom.com/product.asp?P_ID=963&PT_ID=298 and these http://www.sensorcom.com/product.asp?P_ID=964&PT_ID=298 and these    http://www.sensorcom.com/product.asp?P_ID=961&PT_ID=298 ive tried my e2c silicone ones, but the stem is much smaller.


Edited by snedanator - 5/8/10 at 5:47pm
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so if you ordered the ety flangs then shure olives should work.i would suggest those as well,though joe would give you better advice,wait for his response.

and exactly what dont you like about the sound,only bass?


Edited by midoo1990 - 5/8/10 at 5:54pm
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Maybe cans would suit me better.

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