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post #16 of 155
I have heard both, although never in EXACTLY the same systems. Both have sounded outstanding with a good source.

El Doug's WES sounded awesomely good with his omegas, my gamma pros, and my SRM-003.

Kerry's DIY BH (dunno how close it is to the SE) sounded outstanding on a different day in a different system although with all the same headphones. The BHSE (headamp) I heard was also amazingly good.

I heard another WES. I am not a fan of the source it was on, so lets say it just let that shine through. I consider being transparent enough to let the source be heard as a good point

Its a tough choice because you cant really go wrong with either amp.

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Originally Posted by spritzer View Post
The BHSE also has a time delay which allows the tubes to warm up before the plates are hit with the full B+ voltage. Personally I don't believe this is needed with the voltages we are working with here but it can hardly hurt. Regardless of this the tubes will last for years and years.
The WES is tube rectified which keeps HV off of the tubes until the heaters in the rectifiers heat up, a built in delay!
post #17 of 155
I would recommend the WES simply from a practicality standpoint - Justin is not known for his punctuality

Both amps sound stunning, and I couldnt even begin to tell you which to choose
post #18 of 155
Yeah, I feel that when I will be in the market for either of these two amps, I would favor the vendor who is a lot more punctual with communication and build times. With Woo, you know that if it says 4-5 weeks build time, then it will take that long. Email communication also never takes more than a day or two, which is great. That is what worries me about an amp like the BHSE or even any amp from Eddie Current...you just have no clue if it will be 2 months build time or 2 years build time....and under no circumstance to I believe one has to wait that long to enjoy music. However the one thing that buts me about the WES is that it used 10 freaking tubes! I have already spend a fortune on my 6 Woo 5 tubes and constantly worry about one burning out....so 10 tubes is a little bit much for me to deal with.
post #19 of 155
it's only really need to worry about 8 tubes for the WES - you dont need anything fancy for phase splitting the single-ended input
post #20 of 155
I was wondering, does the BHSE actually have more headroom than the WES when driving 007s? I read a few times on this forum that the WES might not be as powerful as the BHSE or T2.
post #21 of 155
WES - soundstage
post #22 of 155
Has anyone cancelled their BHSE order to get the Woo (or any other model) and how successful have people been in getting back their deposit? It is looking more and more like I should have ordered a Woo and not a Woe.
post #23 of 155
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Has anyone cancelled their BHSE order to get the Woo (or any other model) and how successful have people been in getting back their deposit? It is looking more and more like I should have ordered a Woo and not a Woe.
go for it i would like to know also ^_^
post #24 of 155
Yeah, if ramping up the production of something tiny like a pico slim took almost a year of delays, imagine how long it takes to start another round of BHSE amps which are crazy complicated.
post #25 of 155
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Originally Posted by El_Doug View Post
it's only really need to worry about 8 tubes for the WES - you dont need anything fancy for phase splitting the single-ended input
Wow, so that means that there are actually 12 tubes in the amp after looking more closely!

1 quad of EL34 (power)
1 quad of 6SL7 (driver),
2 5AR4 (rectifiers)
2 12AU7 (phase splitter)

That's a mind boggling amount of tube rolling possibilities to alter sound signature of the amp!
post #26 of 155
doh, i forgot about the rectifiers
post #27 of 155
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all your replies, Im still confused but the therapy is working towards the WES.... Those that have heard the WES, has it been a maxed version? has someone heard one maxed and the other normal? differences? Price-wise Maxed the WOO is around

$7,780 + shipping

V-Cap inter-stage coupling caps $1280
V-Cap output coupling capacitors $380

Plus the recommended upgrade tubes:

Power tubes upgrade: Shugang 50-Years Treasure 6CA7 matched quad. $520
Driver tubes upgrade: Sophia 6SL7 grade A matched quad. $400
Rectifier tubes upgrade:5AR4/GZ34 NOS matched pair. $200

Worth it?
In this regard the BHSE is far more attractive. I hate it when a manufacturer starts offering "upgrades," if you dont get them you will always wonder if you could have, plus it makes you feel like you have the second best... but for an extra $3000 ??? Damn!
post #28 of 155
True, you only have to choose a quad of EL34 with the BHSE.

I bought some Treasure 6CA7-Z elsewhere and they were a lot cheaper than what you listed. For $500, you should be able to get a nice quad of old stock EL34, new or maybe slightly used.

If you plan on rolling tubes, a tube tester will come in handy and help you confirm the test results of used tubes.

Finding a good and inexpensive quad of NOS matched 6SL7 might not be easy, with some people buying and breaking up those matched pairs... see the Zana Deux tube rolling thread.

Regarding upgrades, the BHSE has one too... an Alps RK50.

It may be human nature, or audiophilia nervosa nature, to obsess and worry about parts upgrades. If budget permits, sure go ahead and get all the upgrades. If not, I wouldn't worry so much about it, a stock WES or a BHSE sans-RK50 should be great amps by any stretch of the definition.
post #29 of 155
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Price-wise Maxed the WOO is around

$7,780 + shipping
Let's get all the pain out into the open for those outside of US:

It's $7,780 + shipping + insurance + import duty (4.5% in UK) + VAT (17.5% in UK).
That makes it a total of...I won't get my calculator out, as it's sure to make me weep!
post #30 of 155
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by TheAttorney View Post
Let's get all the pain out into the open for those outside of US:

It's $7,780 + shipping + insurance + import duty (4.5% in UK) + VAT (17.5% in UK).
That makes it a total of...I won't get my calculator out, as it's sure to make me weep!

Im starting to not like this thread!
It appears that the options are simple:

Get a BHSE and pay $5000, then wait 2 years until it is ready and pay $300 shipping/insurance + $950(19% VAT) + $335(6.5% Import duties) for a total of: $6585.00

Get a maxed WES (I couldnt order the non-maxed) pay $7,780 wait two months and pay $350(shipping/insurance) + $1478(19% VAT) + $505(6,5% Import tax) for a total of: $10,113

THIS SOUNDS CRAZY!!! ARENT THERE ANY OPTIONS IN EUROPE!!! ????
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