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Originally Posted by Sniping View Post
 

If you guys are into DIY you could probably make back a bit of the money by desoldering the switches and selling the switches, then selling the keycaps, the top case of the QFR and maybe even the PCB/plate, not sure if there's a market for generic PCB's, most likely not. 

There are a few that do this over at GH, especially with vintage boards.  Doubleshot or Dye-Sublimated keycaps from vintage Cherry boards fetch a pretty penny depending on the set and condition.  There are a few other manufactuers that have sought after keycaps and switches (like WYSE for example) and can be had from ebay for pretty cheap if you're quick.  If you want to see an expensive keyboard, look for the Cherry G80-5000HAAUS :p At one point I had a G80-2100HDU (the battleship) BNIB that was just too big to use anywhere, even work.  I ended up making a nice trade + cash on it, as those can be rare...but not nearly as rare as the 5000 ErgoPlus...people pay disgusting amounts for those haha.  I think some people did some custom QFR tops (custom paint, etc) and sold them...covering up those pesky logos.


Edited by modulor - 10/12/13 at 7:28am
post #1367 of 1639
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Originally Posted by ethan7000 View Post


How does a topre switch differ from mechanical in feel, sound, and longevity?

Yeah, the difference in feel is because most of the weight comes from the rubber dome (called cup rubber in Topre's case) but there's a light spring underneath each switch that activates the key and adds some linearity to the switch. The feel of Topre is like rubber domes so the tactile bump is at the top of the switch like a regular membrane keyboard, but it's stupid smooth, and the keys make a great "thock" sound when you bottom out. It's also different because with Topre kind of forces you to bottom out because of the force curve created from the collapsing cup rubber as you press the key, and resisting bottom out would make you type much slower

 

The sound of Topre is arguably one of the best sounds made by keyboards: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWPH7FAUfUY 

The plastic clacking sound of MX bottoming out sounds really cheap compared to Topre, Topre gives a great deep resonating thud instead as you can hear in the video clip.

 

Longevity is the same, both are rated for 50 million keypresses at the moment (Topre and MX)

post #1368 of 1639
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Originally Posted by Sniping View Post
 

Yeah, the difference in feel is because most of the weight comes from the rubber dome (called cup rubber in Topre's case) but there's a light spring underneath each switch that activates the key and adds some linearity to the switch. The feel of Topre is like rubber domes so the tactile bump is at the top of the switch like a regular membrane keyboard, but it's stupid smooth, and the keys make a great "thock" sound when you bottom out. It's also different because with Topre kind of forces you to bottom out because of the force curve created from the collapsing cup rubber as you press the key, and resisting bottom out would make you type much slower

 

The sound of Topre is arguably one of the best sounds made by keyboards: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWPH7FAUfUY 

The plastic clacking sound of MX bottoming out sounds really cheap compared to Topre, Topre gives a great deep resonating thud instead as you can hear in the video clip.

 

Longevity is the same, both are rated for 50 million keypresses at the moment (Topre and MX)

While I've not tried a Topre yet, I can say that adding 40A durometer O-Rings to the stem of each keycap on MX keyboards helps in creating softer bottoming out and removes the 'clack' sound from bottoming out.  However, when the switch returns from actuation to default position it does still make a sound.  Topre sounds better, and it seems like it's effortlessly smooth in comparison.

post #1369 of 1639
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Originally Posted by n0str3ss View Post
 

 

I heard from quite a lot of people that is a love or hate thing, you should never buy them without trying the actual topre switches.

Prob is, I can never decide if I like something before using it for an extended time ie at home :s

post #1370 of 1639
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Originally Posted by Emospence View Post
 

Prob is, I can never decide if I like something before using it for an extended time ie at home :s

Oh, that can be problematic then, try to see if you can borrow one locally, or buy one and if you don´t like just return it to the store.

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You guys have stores that sell Topre local? That's pretty cool.

 

Usually the way it works is that people buy the Topre board and just sell it on a keyboard forum if they don't like it, but most people end up keeping their Topre keyboard from what I've seen, only a small fraction of them end up in classified listings because the buyer didn't like the keyboard. 

post #1372 of 1639
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Originally Posted by Sniping View Post
 

You guys have stores that sell Topre local? That's pretty cool.

 

Usually the way it works is that people buy the Topre board and just sell it on a keyboard forum if they don't like it, but most people end up keeping their Topre keyboard from what I've seen, only a small fraction of them end up in classified listings because the buyer didn't like the keyboard. 

Just the one shop in the whole damn country heh

post #1373 of 1639

Never bought a keyboard locally, stores that sell good quality boards are inexistent. Lucky me... more money on the wallet.

post #1374 of 1639

My ErgoDox with Cherry MX clear switches.

post #1375 of 1639

I fell in love for that clean look. Those plain black keycaps fit so well on that white surface :eek:

post #1376 of 1639
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Originally Posted by SovietShaman View Post
 

My ErgoDox with Cherry MX clear switches.

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

 

Don't think I could ever make myself get used to one but damn if that doesn't look sweet.

post #1377 of 1639

The DSA keycaps look very nice - definitely one of my favorite DIY keyboard projects I had been following.  I don't think I could convert myself, but kudos to Dox and all his hard work with R & D.  So, does the final version have a mount/raiser on the bottom to angle them (as it appears in the picture)?  Definitely one of the best ergonomical layouts around! :D

post #1378 of 1639
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Originally Posted by modulor View Post
 

The DSA keycaps look very nice - definitely one of my favorite DIY keyboard projects I had been following.  I don't think I could convert myself, but kudos to Dox and all his hard work with R & D.  So, does the final version have a mount/raiser on the bottom to angle them (as it appears in the picture)?  Definitely one of the best ergonomical layouts around! :D

The mount is actually a modified Kinesis mount attached to the bottom with a fancy version of velcro. The whole keyboard is really a DIY project, you either have to assemble it yourself or find someone to do it for you. There's someone from Geekhack working to make a production version that's improved on several fronts though. I'll post a bit more here when I get the beta version.

post #1379 of 1639
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Originally Posted by SovietShaman View Post
 

The mount is actually a modified Kinesis mount attached to the bottom with a fancy version of velcro. The whole keyboard is really a DIY project, you either have to assemble it yourself or find someone to do it for you. There's someone from Geekhack working to make a production version that's improved on several fronts though. I'll post a bit more here when I get the beta version.

If it works it is not stupid :beerchug:

post #1380 of 1639
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Originally Posted by SovietShaman View Post
 

The mount is actually a modified Kinesis mount attached to the bottom with a fancy version of velcro. The whole keyboard is really a DIY project, you either have to assemble it yourself or find someone to do it for you. There's someone from Geekhack working to make a production version that's improved on several fronts though. I'll post a bit more here when I get the beta version.

Very cool!  I do remember reading about all the group buys for the various components, similar to the GH60 project which I'm participating in myself.  Do post more on the beta version once you've had some time with it!  Once I get the production version of the GH60, I'll post my build here as well :cool:

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