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post #1021 of 3117

My J3 16 GB just came in bigsmile_face.gif

 

Ringke silicon case - screen protector and 16 gb Sd card , all for just 180 euros (the 16 gb alone goes for 240 euros on amazon.co.uk)

 

Gotta love the FS threads and all these amazing deals you find with a little bit of searching

 

Big thanx to Xfinity for such a smooth sell and a great transaction

post #1022 of 3117

That's a good deal for the J3. I may get the ringke case one day but I'll stick with my clear plastic case until I use the J3 more often than I currently am. My next earphone purchase may change that however..

post #1023 of 3117

The Ringke case rocks big time rawster - if you are out for a case just get it - slim , sleek and a joy to hold , plus it has all the buttons appearing easily through the case

 

Which earphone are you shooting for next ?

 

 

PS : Bennyboy , damn you and your persuasion tactics on buying the J3  jecklinsmile.gif
 

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Originally Posted by rawrster View Post

That's a good deal for the J3. I may get the ringke case one day but I'll stick with my clear plastic case until I use the J3 more often than I currently am. My next earphone purchase may change that however..

post #1024 of 3117

I have a case on it already and I don't want to get one unless I'm using it more. The plastic case works fine but I like silicone cases better as long as they don't attract lint or stick to your pocket thus making it hard to move which is not what the ringke case is.

 

My next purchase will be the 1964-T customs. I just have to figure out color and when I'll buy them. I might wait until my package from mp4nation comes so I can sell some earphones so even less money out of my wallet but I might just keep them.

post #1025 of 3117

Upgraditis - it's inside all of us here jecklinsmile.gif

 

(customs are hard for me due to the lack of good audiologists here so maybe this is good thing for my wallet)

 

I now wonder if the arrow is really needed for the j3/262 combo or if i can live with the low battery and the sound as it is unamped - we shall see.

post #1026 of 3117

Man, some fun stuff going on on this thread. That D3... geez it seems like only yesterday that it was rumor, no pics, etc. Oh, wait. It was just yesterday! I personally don't care much for all-in-one solutions. So, my J3 for audio and occasional video suits me. However, times are a changin' and I don't mind changing with them if it makes sense.

 

@ Proedros and SoulSyde - have fun. You'll not regret your purchase. The UI is truly a joy and so is the SQ. Fit, finish, and form factor do NOT translate in the photos. The thing is sleek.

 

I'm surprised more iPod folks who have ogled mine (and continue to gripe about being umbilically chained to iTunes) haven't bought one. :-/

post #1027 of 3117

Mediaogre , seeing you have the same DAP i have (clip+ / J3) and the amp i am thinking of buying (arrow) i would appreciate your feedback on whether the amp is a necessary purchase and how much better these 2 DAPs sound with an arrow in them.

 

Thanx wink_face.gif

post #1028 of 3117

I said this a few posts back, but I'll reiterate. I think they both sound superb amped. For distortion reasons, I enjoy and prefer setting-and-forgetting the DAP volume at a reasonable level and controlling the volume with the Arrow. Judging by your hoity toity ;) signature tag line this may not matter to you, but I prefer the Arrow's bass boost to the J3 EQ bass.

 

Something I haven't mentioned recently is the Arrow produces a wider soundstage and is a little warmer than straight J3. I can definitely blind test tell the difference between my J3 amped and straight.

 

I mainly leave the J3 amped (Clip is relegated to exercise and garage/yard use) because it's a small enough combo to maintain reasonable portability and it being my main portable "rig" I often switch to my big 300ohm HD650s which require some amping.

 

It really depends on your usage, Proedros. Are you strictly an IEM guy? Do you own or plan to own some full-sized cans in the future? If you're always on the move, and IEMs are your thing, stick with just the J3. If you're planning for sonic flexibility and want to drive almost any headphone you can get your upgradeitis infected hands on, the Arrow is your best portable friend.
 

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Originally Posted by proedros View Post

Mediaogre , seeing you have the same DAP i have (clip+ / J3) and the amp i am thinking of buying (arrow) i would appreciate your feedback on whether the amp is a necessary purchase and how much better these 2 DAPs sound with an arrow in them.

 

Thanx wink_face.gif

post #1029 of 3117

I see - i think it's a tie as the arrow seems like an awesome amp yet on the other hand i am a strictly IEM guy and i may save the money..

 

On another topic , all you J3 veterans out there i have 2-3 questions , so please help me out

 

 

1) have you made any good hand-made J3 eq 'settings' for the your IEM'S ?

 

Just like the pre-fixed eq programs  but with your take on it

 

 

2) What is the difference of the normal/narrow/wide setting on the 5 frequencies ? also , why does it lets you pick only one sub-freq from each of the 5 different freqs ?

 

3) Is there a comprehensive manual besides the official cowon pdf file where you can read about the other j3 settings and options ?

 

Thanx
 

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Originally Posted by Mediaogre View Post

I said this a few posts back, but I'll reiterate. I think they both sound superb amped. For distortion reasons, I enjoy and prefer setting-and-forgetting the DAP volume at a reasonable level and controlling the volume with the Arrow. Judging by your hoity toity ;) signature tag line this may not matter to you, but I prefer the Arrow's bass boost to the J3 EQ bass.

 

Something I haven't mentioned recently is the Arrow produces a wider soundstage and is a little warmer than straight J3. I can definitely blind test tell the difference between my J3 amped and straight.

 

I mainly leave the J3 amped (Clip is relegated to exercise and garage/yard use) because it's a small enough combo to maintain reasonable portability and it being my main portable "rig" I often switch to my big 300ohm HD650s which require some amping.

 

It really depends on your usage, Proedros. Are you strictly an IEM guy? Do you own or plan to own some full-sized cans in the future? If you're always on the move, and IEMs are your thing, stick with just the J3. If you're planning for sonic flexibility and want to drive almost any headphone you can get your upgradeitis infected hands on, the Arrow is your best portable friend.
 

 

 

Edited by proedros - 12/30/10 at 8:13pm
post #1030 of 3117

1) Yeah, I have specific settings for various IEMs, but they might not be useful for someone else's phones or taste. If you're interested I can post them, but I don't think it's overly useful.

 

2) The pseudo-parametric EQ is hardware-based on the Wolfson DAC, it's not implemented in software (saves battery life that way, etc). The lowest and highest band of the EQ are shelves, the middle three bands are notches. "Normal/Narrow/Wide" is exactly what it suggests - it influences the width of the notches (i.e. Q-factor) that are affected. The frequencies you can select are the center frequencies of the notches, and the starting frequencies of the shelves, respectively. You can see how the EQ reacts in Wolfson's datasheet, page 115 ff.: http://www.wolfsonmicro.com/documents/uploads/data_sheets/en/WM8985.pdf

 

3) No idea, Cowon's manual is pretty basic and doesn't cover half the features. Maybe browse the Anythingbutipod and Iaudiophile forums, chances are good you find the info you're looking for.

post #1031 of 3117

1) Please do - you have been of great assistance to this community (and your review on the J3 is what sold me , along with Bennyboy 's constant raving of the J3)

 

2) Thanx for the datasheet

 

3) I already have bookamarked the J3 threads on ABI and iaudio

 

I still have not understood why you should choose the wide/normal/narrow parameter of the eq frequencies , so if someone can explain it in simple , non-scientific english it would be really helpful (the pdf you posted speaks too electronically-inclined)

 

 

 

Edit : I just found a dfkt post at abi where he explains how to change the sound to the non-eu region , in order to have the loud sound - i quote it here for other people who may have the same problem as i did (the eu sound is too low and you may think the j3 sucks)

 

To reset the player to defaults, simply delete the param.cfg file from the system folder, then choose another region at next startup.

 

 

Thanx dfkt !!!
 

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Originally Posted by dfkt View Post

1) Yeah, I have specific settings for various IEMs, but they might not be useful for someone else's phones or taste. If you're interested I can post them, but I don't think it's overly useful.

 

2) The pseudo-parametric EQ is hardware-based on the Wolfson DAC, it's not implemented in software (saves battery life that way, etc). The lowest and highest band of the EQ are shelves, the middle three bands are notches. "Normal/Narrow/Wide" is exactly what it suggests - it influences the width of the notches (i.e. Q-factor) that are affected. The frequencies you can select are the center frequencies of the notches, and the starting frequencies of the shelves, respectively. You can see how the EQ reacts in Wolfson's datasheet, page 115 ff.: http://www.wolfsonmicro.com/documents/uploads/data_sheets/en/WM8985.pdf

 

3) No idea, Cowon's manual is pretty basic and doesn't cover half the features. Maybe browse the Anythingbutipod and Iaudiophile forums, chances are good you find the info you're looking for.


Edited by proedros - 12/31/10 at 5:17am
post #1032 of 3117

The really stupid part about that eu region thing is that it still was wayyyy to loud with most music. The only issues I had are with classical music, so instead of protecting the majority they are just annoying a few.

post #1033 of 3117
Quote:
Originally Posted by proedros View Post
I still have not understood why you should choose the wide/normal/narrow parameter of the eq frequencies , so if someone can explain it in simple , non-scientific english it would be really helpful (the pdf you posted speaks too electronically-inclined)



You should look up how a parametric EQ works, getting used to the technical terms. Without understanding the basics it's rather hard to explain. Here's a start: http://www.ethanwiner.com/equalizers.html and http://stereos.about.com/od/introductiontostereos/a/equalizers.htm

 

Anyways, wide/narrow/normal affects the bandwidth of the EQ band you boost or lower. Here's the difference between normal (blue) and wide (red) for one of the center bands:

 

http://img.elektrokrishna.com/images/97955116471045341749.png


Edited by dfkt - 12/31/10 at 7:16am
post #1034 of 3117

I found this excellent and really helpful article on EQ

 

Hope it helps you as much as it helped me

 

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/rap-hip-hop-engineering-production/145089-eq-guide-newbies.html

 

 

Btw , i think the J3 works better with natural/analytical IEMs

 

Imo the RE-ZERO/252 seem to have a better synergy than the RE-262

 

Too early to say something for sure , but looks like the warm/bassy IEMs fill the sound too much.

 

And dfkt thanx for helping out dude - much appreciated

 

post #1035 of 3117

Hey, I plan on buying a J3 soon. Can I use PDFs with this? Also, I don't know if I already posted this, but when you use a microSD card, does the library show the music as one library or do they split the files according to their source?

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