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post #1006 of 3099

Never ask Dfkt for his opinion on Hifiman products - they are his evil nemesis and he has a secret dungeon filled with voodoo dolls of Fang.
 

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aha i see - i am using the RE-252 and RE-262

 

You think an amp isn't neded ?

 

Thanx for the feedback on this....
 

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Not sure what you read into my review of the Arrow, or between the lines. Maybe read the "sound" and the "reality check" paragraphs of my review again. The J3 doesn't need an amp for the phones I use with it, other players/phones might benefit from one. For the J3 that's a good thing, in my opinion - one less brick to lug around. An amp isn't a magical device that improves everything it's tacked on, but it might help fixing flaws in players that need some fixing. Or if you want to drive a HD650 with your J3, the Arrow might be a good choice as well - but as for any IEMs I use with it, it's not needed.


 
post #1007 of 3099

Does anyone use the 3d surround sound feature on the J3? What kind of effect does it add? Is it similar to crossfeed?

post #1008 of 3099


I do for movies a bit. tI sounds okay with full size headphones. With IEMs it just sounds busy and claustrophobic.

 

In the context of stereo, I don't think the technology or affects are that similar to a crossfeed filter. Crossfeed simulates an open stereo environment where your right ear can hear what's coming from the left channel and vice versa. Simulated 3D surround is accomplished using phase effects and delay in order to reproduce multiple channels. Sometimes I like a little crossfeed with my IEMs, but surround simulation creates a very distracting and muddy sound stage. 

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Does anyone use the 3d surround sound feature on the J3? What kind of effect does it add? Is it similar to crossfeed?

post #1009 of 3099

EQ is a very personal thing, man. And never mind the pro vs. con camps. I tend to like a little bass, I punch up the mids a bit and then crank up the 13khz band because I can't hear s*** above 14khz. :( Keep in mind I pretty much like the classic V and listen to a lot of metal. I use other settings for vocally driven music and way different settings for classical.

 

I almost always amp my J3 even when I use my SE530s because the Shures need bass, IMO, and I prefer the Arrow's bass boost to the J3's EQ'd bass. Using Opeth's sonically complex Blackwater Park from the Blackwater Park album (at the break at 5:14) cranking the bass to around 6 at 80Hz on the J3 EQ overpowers the mids and bleeds into the other frequencies to my ear. I achieve the same relative bass volume by bumping the Arrow's bass boost to II (J3 EQ bass is at 0) and it sounds to me like the bass is tighter and part of the mix. However, I readily admit that my perception could be the result of hearing things that aren't really there.

 

If you want your somewhat demanding cans to become part of the portable rotation, or you feel you aren't hearing your cans' potential, get the Arrow. If you're mostly an IEM guy, you may want to save your money.
 

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So should I leave the Shure SE535 + J3 setup that I have unamped, or amped? Because I already have a custom EQ for unamped. What would be a good EQ setting for SE535 + Arrow + J3? (f I did get an amp, it would most likely be the arrow, seeing how people are heaping loads of praise on its synergy with this PMP)

post #1010 of 3099

Thanks for the response Mediaogre.

post #1011 of 3099

Hell of an album imo - i find metal boring but this album is a masterpiece.

 

Then again Opeth are not your typical rock/metal band.

 

Akerfeldt ftw.
 

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Originally Posted by Mediaogre View Post

EQ is a very personal thing, man. And never mind the pro vs. con camps. I tend to like a little bass, I punch up the mids a bit and then crank up the 13khz band because I can't hear s*** above 14khz. :( Keep in mind I pretty much like the classic V and listen to a lot of metal. I use other settings for vocally driven music and way different settings for classical.

 

I almost always amp my J3 even when I use my SE530s because the Shures need bass, IMO, and I prefer the Arrow's bass boost to the J3's EQ'd bass. Using Opeth's sonically complex Blackwater Park from the Blackwater Park album (at the break at 5:14) cranking the bass to around 6 at 80Hz on the J3 EQ overpowers the mids and bleeds into the other frequencies to my ear. I achieve the same relative bass volume by bumping the Arrow's bass boost to II (J3 EQ bass is at 0) and it sounds to me like the bass is tighter and part of the mix. However, I readily admit that my perception could be the result of hearing things that aren't really there.

 

If you want your somewhat demanding cans to become part of the portable rotation, or you feel you aren't hearing your cans' potential, get the Arrow. If you're mostly an IEM guy, you may want to save your money.
 

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Originally Posted by Catan View Post

So should I leave the Shure SE535 + J3 setup that I have unamped, or amped? Because I already have a custom EQ for unamped. What would be a good EQ setting for SE535 + Arrow + J3? (f I did get an amp, it would most likely be the arrow, seeing how people are heaping loads of praise on its synergy with this PMP)


 
post #1012 of 3099

this PMP is amazing, however the lack of an intuitive playlist compilation feature is really irking me out..

post #1013 of 3099
Thread Starter 

I can't help notice your user name.  Hip-hop fan?

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Thread Starter 

G** D***it!  After I finally pull the trigger on a J3 purchase......

 

http://anythingbutipod.com/2010/12/cowon-d3-specs/

post #1015 of 3099

We're living in fast paced times, eh? ;)

 

Either way, the J3 is smaller and has better battery life. If you want an excellent audio player and a good video player, the J3 is still the right one. - If you want an internet device with better video capabilities and all the Android doo-dads, the D3 sure might be the right one. We'll see how good it's going to be once it's available in EU/US.


Edited by dfkt - 12/30/10 at 6:22am
post #1016 of 3099
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G** D***it!  After I finally pull the trigger on a J3 purchase......

 

http://anythingbutipod.com/2010/12/cowon-d3-specs/



I know how you feel. found and bought a brand new ipod 5.5gen, only to realize two DAPs are coming out with digital line out (d3 & fioo x3) blink.gif

though I must say I am very, very pleased with the 5.5g sound...I'm sure you will be with the J3, and to make you feel better, the new d3 is a bit let down in the battery department compared to your J3..


Edited by LevA - 12/30/10 at 6:32am
post #1017 of 3099
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Originally Posted by dfkt View Post

We're living in fast paced times, eh? ;)

 

Either way, the J3 is smaller and has better battery life. If you want an excellent audio player and a good video player, the J3 is still the right one. - If you want an internet device with better video capabilities and all the Android doo-dads, the D3 sure might be the right one. We'll see how good it's going to be once it's available in EU/US.


I do have an HTC Incredible with the Froyo OS, and after the release of the PowerAMP music player it's actually a pretty descent music player.  I'm going to force myself to be happy with what I have, whether I like it or not -- wait that doesn't make any sense. biggrin.gif

post #1018 of 3099

I would guess that Cowon's audio interface should still be at least as good as PowerAmp. The UI/functionality of the D3 certainly can't be based on the same code as the J3/S9 (D3 Android vs. J3 embedded Nucleus RTOS/Flash), but it seem you get the usual EQ/BBE stuff, gapless, etc from the D3 as well, as already found on the J3.

 

Even more off-topic: you tried Rockbox/RaaA on Android? Hope it will be supported on the D3 as well. ;)


Edited by dfkt - 12/30/10 at 6:35am
post #1019 of 3099

Nice dfkt. I will be getting an android phone in the next few days. Will try the rockbox app. Sorry for the OT.

post #1020 of 3099
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Even more off-topic: you tried Rockbox/RaaA on Android? Hope it will be supported on the D3 as well. ;)


I have not.  Very-very cool though!

 

It appears as if it's still in the Alpha phase (or earlier).

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