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why the heck are the grado woodies more expensive than the space shuttle

post #1 of 78
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i mean seriously, they are just a piece of wood cut to fit the cans, if you had the equipment it wouldnt cost half of half of half of that price, thats just insanely overpriced, 150$-350$ for a piece of wood cut to specifications?

good lord
post #2 of 78
craftsmanship? they do look a bit more then a cut piece of wood though. quite beautiful. judging from your post you must like them pretty bad too...

post #3 of 78
The plumber came round and replaced my tap. The new tap cost £15. My bill was £75. I'm paying for deployment of skills which I do not have. Then there's the cost of the petrol, road tax, insurance and maintenance of the plumbers van, his overalls and tools, the wages for his employees or apprentices if he has any and the administrative costs plus time needed to deal with my bill. That's ignoring all of the time he spent in plumber school learning how to replace a tap (and other plumbing things). The cost to him was not as simple as £15 for the tap and half an hour of his time.

The whole "stuff should cost what parts cost plus tree-fiddy, more is a rip off" attitude is such nonsense.

Block of unfinished specialist wood. Tools needed to put together a workshop, electricity needed to run the workshop. Maintenance on the tools and consumables. Time needed to craft a block into a well finished product, distribution, cost of maintaining a website, skills needed for originality of design and competancy of execution.

If you're really that disgusted by it, don't buy the product, but I'll wager that you're probably not one of the small minority of people to execute that kind of construction yourself and if you are, you wouldn't be doing it at barely over cost if you ran a business. A product is made to a price point. That price is somewhere between the minimum the seller can possibly sell for and the maximum they can get away with. The acceptance of the market of that product at that price dictates how well it sells.
post #4 of 78
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Originally Posted by swbf2cheater View Post
i mean seriously, they are just a piece of wood cut to fit the cans, if you had the equipment it wouldnt cost half of half of half of that price, thats just insanely overpriced, 150$-350$ for a piece of wood cut to specifications?

good lord
I mean seriously, they are just a piece of denim sewn to fit the legs, if you had the equipment it wouldnt cost half of half of half of that price, thats just insanely overpriced, $50 for a piece of denim sewn to specifications?

good lord
post #5 of 78
I understand y'all have different opinions, however there's no need to be sarcastic or demeaning about it.
post #6 of 78
Grado has a pricing structure designed to maximize their income over the entire product line rather than pricing each model strictly based on manufacturing and engineering costs. That kind of pricing model is somewhat explained here: Oh, You Wanted "Awesome" Edition. It's economics. Makes good business sense. If you have a product line rather than an individual product the optimal pricing structure becomes quite different than how you would price an individual product. If Grados only headphone was the RS1 its price would certainly be different.

Grado isn't the only company who prices things that way. It's all over in audio. Look at the Denon headphone line. Look at cable companies who offer a line of cables from not so expensive up to absurdly expensive. The prices are obviously not based strictly on cost accounting numbers. The costs are based more on trying to get the customer to part with more money if they are willing. The way you do that is by having a product line with lots of choices and price accordingly.

Is this the best pricing model for the consumer? No.
Is it good business for the company? Yes.
Does it cause consumers to wonder how the company justifies the cost increases from one model to another? Yes.

If I was a business major or economics major I could explain it all better. There's entire books on this in business schools.
post #7 of 78
If you want it and don't want to pay someone else, do it yourself. Find the wood, cut, shape, and finish it, replace the cups and be careful not to break the liners.
post #8 of 78
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Originally Posted by Duggeh View Post
The plumber came round and replaced my tap. The new tap cost £15. My bill was £75. I'm paying for deployment of skills which I do not have. Then there's the cost of the petrol, road tax, insurance and maintenance of the plumbers van, his overalls and tools, the wages for his employees or apprentices if he has any and the administrative costs plus time needed to deal with my bill. That's ignoring all of the time he spent in plumber school learning how to replace a tap (and other plumbing things). The cost to him was not as simple as £15 for the tap and half an hour of his time.

The whole "stuff should cost what parts cost plus tree-fiddy, more is a rip off" attitude is such nonsense.

Block of unfinished specialist wood. Tools needed to put together a workshop, electricity needed to run the workshop. Maintenance on the tools and consumables. Time needed to craft a block into a well finished product, distribution, cost of maintaining a website, skills needed for originality of design and competancy of execution.

If you're really that disgusted by it, don't buy the product, but I'll wager that you're probably not one of the small minority of people to execute that kind of construction yourself and if you are, you wouldn't be doing it at barely over cost if you ran a business. A product is made to a price point. That price is somewhere between the minimum the seller can possibly sell for and the maximum they can get away with. The acceptance of the market of that product at that price dictates how well it sells.
Don't forget insurance cost on the property, vehicles, equipment, and employees. And lawyers, more than one. Accountants, too. Taxes.......
post #9 of 78
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Originally Posted by Lenni View Post
craftsmanship? they do look a bit more then a cut piece of wood though. quite beautiful. judging from your post you must like them pretty bad too...

Those sound spectacular too.
post #10 of 78
Aren't those yours, Dan? If so, I agree. They sounded great to me.
post #11 of 78
Yup, those were mine.
post #12 of 78
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Originally Posted by Duggeh View Post
The plumber came round and replaced my tap. The new tap cost £15. My bill was £75. I'm paying for deployment of skills which I do not have. Then there's the cost of the petrol, road tax, insurance and maintenance of the plumbers van, his overalls and tools, the wages for his employees or apprentices if he has any and the administrative costs plus time needed to deal with my bill. That's ignoring all of the time he spent in plumber school learning how to replace a tap (and other plumbing things). The cost to him was not as simple as £15 for the tap and half an hour of his time.

The whole "stuff should cost what parts cost plus tree-fiddy, more is a rip off" attitude is such nonsense.

Block of unfinished specialist wood. Tools needed to put together a workshop, electricity needed to run the workshop. Maintenance on the tools and consumables. Time needed to craft a block into a well finished product, distribution, cost of maintaining a website, skills needed for originality of design and competancy of execution.

If you're really that disgusted by it, don't buy the product, but I'll wager that you're probably not one of the small minority of people to execute that kind of construction yourself and if you are, you wouldn't be doing it at barely over cost if you ran a business. A product is made to a price point. That price is somewhere between the minimum the seller can possibly sell for and the maximum they can get away with. The acceptance of the market of that product at that price dictates how well it sells.
Easy now, it may just been a case of sticker shock is all. Being new to this hobby, I've found my self startled by some of the prices of some of the items I covet. But after a bunch of research,(R&D costs, part replacements, time spent modding, etc.) reality sets in. Just might have been the case with the OP.

Damn, those cans are sexy.
post #13 of 78
Where do you get a space shuttle for 150$-350$? /me want one!
post #14 of 78
Eh, all the profit is built into the higher end Grados. My guess is that the margin is fairly thin on the plastic models. The gravy comes at the higher end.

And I don't knock Grado for it.

Lots of businesses are built this way. Car manufacturers, for one.
post #15 of 78
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I mean seriously, they are just a piece of denim sewn to fit the legs, if you had the equipment it wouldnt cost half of half of half of that price, thats just insanely overpriced, $50 for a piece of denim sewn to specifications?

good lord
Excuse me, sir. But I make MY OWN PANTS! lol

I might put that site who has them out of business. I'll happily cut and do just as pro of a job and sell it for far less. The time it took me to do some of my other mods does not merit anywhere near 350$ >.>

There really is no craftsmanship in this if you have actually tried it. If you have a tape measure, the wood, some varnish and dye and a sander, you can make them look equally as nice in less than 20 minutes. I may just do this. Don't get me wrong, they made my grados sound noticeably better, at least IMO. But there was no science or massive lab required for this. You are correct that its economics. This is the age of "1000% profit on something is not enough, lets try 2000%!!!!"

Seriously, luckily I got my woodies for my 225i dirty cheap from a local seller whose 225is blew out and he sold me his woods for like 50$. But still, it upset me so much to pay 50 bucks for a block of wood...I just might start up my own custom woodies and mods business.
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