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post #76 of 410

I received my MX1 yesterday. While I won't comment on its performance, as my only other DAC is an Icon Mobile, other than to say it does its job well and is very powerful for its size. I was quite impressed by how it was packaged and presented. It looks very official, and I wouldn't be able to tell they were a new company just from looking at the box. The engineering is also very precise, and the device is well built. The prepackaged cables don't seem that bad; I was expecting thin, flimsy crap, but at least the USB and RCA cables are quite sturdy. Oh, and personally, the faceplate doesn't look that bad to me.

 

Just some thoughts of mine, but I'll leave the sound impressions up to more experienced Head-Fiers.

post #77 of 410
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Originally Posted by 12345142 View Post

I received my MX1 yesterday. While I won't comment on its performance, as my only other DAC is an Icon Mobile, other than to say it does its job well and is very powerful for its size. I was quite impressed by how it was packaged and presented. It looks very official, and I wouldn't be able to tell they were a new company just from looking at the box. The engineering is also very precise, and the device is well built. The prepackaged cables don't seem that bad; I was expecting thin, flimsy crap, but at least the USB and RCA cables are quite sturdy. Oh, and personally, the faceplate doesn't look that bad to me.

 

Just some thoughts of mine, but I'll leave the sound impressions up to more experienced Head-Fiers.

 

I think you should do a comparison it's important to have impressions from all sorts of users in this forum. So tells how you feel it differs from the Icon Mobile. It will be a good exercise.
 

post #78 of 410

Seeing as I don't have much to do right now, I'll do that after 50 hours or so on the Audinst. Thanks for making me reconsider.

post #79 of 410

Got mine yesterday. I got Audiotrak Prodigy HD2 before. My HP are AKG k271s. Can't say what's better, i'd decide later. but mx-1 plays way louder. I could listen to HD2 @max level, and with mx-1 i can't. First impression: the lows are softer a bit, but the scene definitely wider. Anyway i'd write my opinion after some use.

 

And i got some question about it. 

1. Does the 1/4" jack output differs from 3.5mm?? I got an adaptor fron 3.5mm to 1/4". What jack is better? or there's no significant difference.

2. Now i play with foobar and outpur to DS: SPDIF(mx-1). OS is windows7. i used ASIO drivers with hd2(and Windows XP). Do i need any drivers? I also got WASAPI plugin. Should i use it or not?

3. Power unit. I've read it makes some noticeable difference. The one was in the box doesn't seem to be high quality. Where i can buy one, or get a circuit(device scheme) to soilder it by myself?

4. USB cable? Does it worth it to change??

 

Excuse for my bad english, it's not my native.

post #80 of 410

How does this DAC/amp stack up against the Maverick D1?

post #81 of 410
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by TLN View Post
And i got some question about it. 

1. Does the 1/4" jack output differs from 3.5mm?? I got an adaptor fron 3.5mm to 1/4". What jack is better? or there's no significant difference.

2. Now i play with foobar and outpur to DS: SPDIF(mx-1). OS is windows7. i used ASIO drivers with hd2(and Windows XP). Do i need any drivers? I also got WASAPI plugin. Should i use it or not?

3. Power unit. I've read it makes some noticeable difference. The one was in the box doesn't seem to be high quality. Where i can buy one, or get a circuit(device scheme) to soilder it by myself?

4. USB cable? Does it worth it to change??

 

Excuse for my bad english, it's not my native.

1. They're parallel outputs, therefore electrically identical

2. WASAPI output works very well, so does Kernel Streaming. Either one will be fine.

3. I power mine with a TREAD PSU. All you need to know is in here: http://tangentsoft.net/elec/tread/

Warren (aka Tangent) sells it as a kit for 17$. You need to use a different resistor for R2 to get the required 15V out of it. A toroid, R-core transformer or even a AC-DC converter of roughly 18V should work fine. I power the TREAD with an 18V wallwart DC converter.

I've written more things about that a few pages back in this thread. Have a look

4. I've never detected any obvious, repeatable, significant, discernible, noticeable... whatever differences between USB cables on any of my USB input DACs. I own is a Kimber B-Bus high speed cable and a few generic ones.

 

Given the 179$ price of the MX-1 I wouldn't worry about those. 

A good PSU and some opamps to tune the flavor of the sound (if need be) offer a much better return for your money.
 


Edited by audiofil - 5/21/10 at 1:14pm
post #82 of 410

hi audiofil, you mentioned that you have audio-gd discrete opamp Moon and Earth. Did you try it with Audinst? I'm wondering how much can the MX be upgraded. Is moon or earth better than your favourite other opamp? which one and is it worth it?

post #83 of 410

My Audinst HUD arrived yesterday. My first impressions right out of the box were terrible.. I was really terrified by the harshness of trebles. They were even worst compared to the integrated laptop HD audio.. 

After a night of burn-in , things changed , but only slightly..

Today, after 20 hours of burn-in, I've made a serious comparison between Audinst and my PC's XtremeMusic (default settings, no 3D), with Sennheiser HD 595 headphones. The test was made using Winamp 5.5, Windows 7 OS, selected FLAC recordings (Billy McLaughlin, Yes, Elvis, Stix, Paco de Lucia, Blackmore Nights, Alone in the Dark OST)

Fortunately , harshness of the trebles reduced, but did not disappear. The scene, compared to X-fi, has slightly reduced, all the musicians are presented in a single line, very closed to each over and to the listener. XtremeMusic give a little more space and air in the sound, IMHO (109db DAC  vs 117db on Audinst) . 

BUT, the overall sound in MX1 is better balanced. No more painfull sibilance in soprano (but still, there is some sibilance), and also a slightly better bass impact, that's all..

 

The main complain is about detail.. In fact, I was hoping to hear an entirely new level of quality and detail compared to an 5 years-old, 120$ Creative sound-card.. Especially after some guy here, ensured me that Audinst is much better then Emu 0404usb , X-fi Forte , or even Asus STX !..  But no detail change at all.. Little difference in sound balance, but that's all !

 

 

So, my question is, what's the point in all that high-end stuff, the huge amplification factor, if the product sounds close to an avarage X-fi (on my HD595 at least)?   . Oh, and i've powered Audinst properly, with power adapter pluged in, not from usb output only.

 

Where's the promised SQ, huge scene and detail, is it all about 100 hours burn-in ? 


Edited by AlexRoma - 5/23/10 at 3:53pm
post #84 of 410

Do you use ASIO, Kernel Streaming or WASAPI with HUD? Install foobar2000, get a proper plugin and give it a try :)

post #85 of 410
Thread Starter 

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Originally Posted by marcello View Post

hi audiofil, you mentioned that you have audio-gd discrete opamp Moon and Earth. Did you try it with Audinst? I'm wondering how much can the MX be upgraded. Is moon or earth better than your favourite other opamp? which one and is it worth it?


Hi Marcello

I mentioned trying the Earth OPA with Audio-gd FUN in this comparison. 

I do not own either of them, both belong to my colleague - the owner of the Fun dac/amp. He did borrow me the Moon OPA for a while and I've found it very good. But my opamp of choice remains AD797brz.

Both impart a somewhat similar signature (on the warm side) and technically they're very close. I just like AD797 a bit better.

 

If I'd have to buy a new opamp for Audinst all over again, I'd be happy with either one and probably go for the cheapest of the two.

 

 

post #86 of 410

I've just acquired the Audinst HUD-MX1 as a loaner unit of sort and the first impressions are really positive. I had the very popular nuForce uDAC prior to this for 2 weeks but overall I was not really impressed as detail retrieval was so-so and the bass and treble were fuzzy. I think it's obvious to me that the HUD-MX1 is better sounding unit of the two at least in terms of balance. Overall it presents a more even sound with greater details at both ends of the spectrum compared to the uDAC. It's also less forward sounding.

post #87 of 410
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Originally Posted by AlexRoma View Post

My Audinst HUD arrived yesterday. My first impressions right out of the box were terrible.. I was really terrified by the harshness of trebles. They were even worst compared to the integrated laptop HD audio.. 

After a night of burn-in , things changed , but only slightly..

Today, after 20 hours of burn-in, I've made a serious comparison between Audinst and my PC's XtremeMusic (default settings, no 3D), with Sennheiser HD 595 headphones. The test was made using Winamp 5.5, Windows 7 OS, selected FLAC recordings (Billy McLaughlin, Yes, Elvis, Stix, Paco de Lucia, Blackmore Nights, Alone in the Dark OST)

Fortunately , harshness of the trebles reduced, but did not disappear. The scene, compared to X-fi, has slightly reduced, all the musicians are presented in a single line, very closed to each over and to the listener. XtremeMusic give a little more space and air in the sound, IMHO (109db DAC  vs 117db on Audinst) . 

BUT, the overall sound in MX1 is better balanced. No more painfull sibilance in soprano (but still, there is some sibilance), and also a slightly better bass impact, that's all..

 

The main complain is about detail.. In fact, I was hoping to hear an entirely new level of quality and detail compared to an 5 years-old, 120$ Creative sound-card.. Especially after some guy here, ensured me that Audinst is much better then Emu 0404usb , X-fi Forte , or even Asus STX !..  But no detail change at all.. Little difference in sound balance, but that's all !

 

 

So, my question is, what's the point in all that high-end stuff, the huge amplification factor, if the product sounds close to an avarage X-fi (on my HD595 at least)?   . Oh, and i've powered Audinst properly, with power adapter pluged in, not from usb output only.

 

Where's the promised SQ, huge scene and detail, is it all about 100 hours burn-in ? 

 

Ever considered that the Audinst simply reveals your HD595 as the terrible sounding headphone as it is?
 

I've never really liked the HD5xx in Sennheiser line of headphones as they sound like well, crap.

post #88 of 410

I already asked that in another post, but let me ask again.

 

Did you manage to get HUD send pass-through AC3/DTS sound to your home cinema.

I've been trying to do that for a couple of days, but still no results.

I have Win7 x64, kmplayer (also tried vlc, powerdvd, media player classic with ac3filter), optical link to my amplifier. All I ger is 2 channel (even 96kHz) but to ac3/dts.

Also no sound while testing 3 options in Windows parameters of HUD. Only in test for frequencies - all sounds fine.

Any help? How to set it up in Win7?

post #89 of 410
Thread Starter 

I noticed your post in project84's thread, but didn't answer there as I have no experience on the matter.

I've never tried passing AC3 through the Audinst.

 

If it is of any help :

The process of passing through AC3 signal should basically work the same for any DACs offering this function.

Try to do a search for AC3 settings made on other DAC models. Hopefully you can apply the same for your situation.

post #90 of 410

I tried that. It seems that Win7 decodes the signal instead of ac3filter. In foobar WASAPI sending dts encoded in wav works fine. Well I now only know that it CAN pass through the signal. Only have to work out how to do "no mixing" in film players/decoders.

Thanks anyway.

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