Originally Posted by RayGarrison
I have a question about "bass."
I'm new to earbuds / IEM phones - long time audiophile, lots of headphones over the years, currently using HD600. Wanted something I could wear while working, big Sennheiser's are a bit too much to wear around all day. Tried various IEM, ultimately wound up with Monster Coppers. Thought they sounded *GREAT* but simply couldn't wear them. Could not get good fit with any of the (many) supplied tips. Tried S4, IE8, ER-4, few other cheaper ones. Could not get decent fit with any of them. Actually damaged my left ear screwing around with the coppers - constant "popping" of vacuum seal when I jammed different tips in and out, combined with all the pushing / twisting / poking / prodding trying to get a decent seal did something, couldn't hear properly out of that ear for two days. Finally gave up and sent them back. Unfortunately, as I *LOVED* the sound. Think they may have been the best phones I've ever used. Sigh. Anyway, I've decided I'm just not an IEM guy, and am going to purchase a pair of decent buds.
Looks like someone was in the same boat as me. I have to say though the s4, Ie8, er-4 are well known for their clunky/tough fit. Yes, the klipsch s4 aswell- just look at the damn thing!
From my experience with many more Iem's than that i can remember, incuding the s4 and Ie8, comfort depends on 3 things. The cable, the Iem body and the tips. Stock s4 was a nightmare for me in all of them aspects.
The IE8's cable is brilliant. Only the grado gr8 cable I think is better. Good strain relief's, low low microphonics, not sticky or bouncy, light, little memory. Cables do impact the overall comfort- trust me!
Secondly, the tips- I never use stock tips for any of the Iem's I get. Only for the grado gr8 I did, because they were so good.
I've amassed a collection of hundreds of tips and 'stock' tips are nearly always the uncomfortable ones. For shures/westones the comply tips which are BY FAR the most comfortable foam tips I've come across.
If I need to remove and put in an Iem often, I'd use phones that work with silicone tips. Now, although many silicones look the same, the sony hybrids really do take the lead in comfort, and fit most iem's EXCEPT the shures/klipsch/westone/qjays. Actually, if you get monster supertips, you get free 'adaptor' pieces that allow bigger diameter buds to fit these phones. It works, and sony hybrids worked well enough I thought.
I'll let you into a little secret- I get the feeling too many on headfi push their iem's too much into their ear canals. Comply/shure say that their foamies are meant to only go in 'half way.' Re zero/ ck10/IE8 are meant for a relatively shallow fit I feel. Now if you can get a deep fit with the ck10, you're lucky. Don't insert the Ie8's deeply using modded tips TO BRING OUT THE BASS! Too too many bass heads on headfi
Lastly, the body. IE8 has a stupid shape to the body. Its big and awkward, but rather light. But most annoying of all; why the hell does this thing have edges!! As a general rule, the smaller, lighter, smoother and streamlined iem's take the lead here. Also the length and angle of the nozzle should be good. Something like shure se310 or ck10 exceed here. I gave the shure 535's back- body is awful. I can't see myself taking the IE8's for much longer also.
Now, for the mx980, don't think the above considerations are redundant just because this is an earbud. In fact, apart from the tips, the rest remains the same for me.
Mx980's cable is, well slightly annoying. It's not microphonics, but the weight of the volume thingy. Nothing too bad though, as i can put this into my shirt pocket.
Tips- well earbuds don't have this problem.
Body- hmmmm. It is big, not as light as I would have liked either. For me this is okay. Its smooth with nothing sticking out. It fits in my small ear openings and doesn't want to fall out.
Ive only had a few hours with this so i'll post sound impressions later.