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post #106 of 266

Saying the mx980 are bad for vocals is like saying the sony XB series is bad for bass heads.

It is a massive contradiction and makes no sense at all.  The XB series has powerful clear and airy bass, just like the MX980 has incredibly clear and wide sound that projects vocals unlike any other earbud ive ever used in a non-inner ear style.

 

The mx980 were designed specifically for great vocals and a deep bass experience.  They are not meant to be a musical set.  They are of a higher quality and very neutral sounding, providing for a rich, wide vocal experience.  Intended, at least i think, for acoustic guitar, light classical and live jazz vocals due to its staging shape, which is a rectangle that is not so tall but very wide.

 

so, when someone says they sound awful for that, I really dont know what else to say except you have a defect.  

 

post #107 of 266

The new Sennheiser MX580/880/980 lineup has a very different sound signature, at least to my ears, than the the Yuin's. None is better than the other, but it's all just how you prefer how recordings are presented. The Yuin's are in generally more focused on bringing the midrange forward, just like the Grado house sound, and if you move up their line they become more detailed going from OK3-OK1.

 

The MX980 is to my ears a very balanced earbud, plenty of detail and seperation, and a soundstage that a more wide than height. Vocals are very clear and well presented, but again, not as forwards as a Yuin OK1/2. Depth in soundstage is about the same, depending on what the source is.  

 

I personally prefer the MX980, actually over IEM's like the Triple Fi, IE8, MTG, Ety ER 4P that I have all sold, but I know it's not on even terms to compare IEM's with earbuds.

 

As well as I believe that the MX980 can be judge in pure sound quality against the Yuin's, because they just present music in very different ways that should be the choice of anyones individual

ears and music preference to decide whats better.

 

Just my two pesetas!

post #108 of 266

talked to some serious people owning mx980, pk1, re252 not tm5, They say re252 has very slow transients even compared to ie8, not to say pk1. pk1 has the best speed (full sized can) but low resolution. mx980 has the best resolution (compared to pk1 ok1), but much lower speed especially to pk1.

 

now I understand why re252 has great clarity but may not as realistic as tm5.

I reckon re252 has either a lower speed or too much decay (to lazy to make a proper comparion), so it sounds like a mess at times to me. The sound of tm5 is more defined because of the terrific speed, that is why I can hear very defined sound in complex music.

 

So my findings are:

 

mx980: best resolution, lower speed (some say much lower speed than pk1,ok1)

pk1: best speed, lowest resolution

ok1: only a little slower than pk1, but a better resolution

re252: terrific resolution, worst speed (according to them)

 

tm5: , they have terrific speed and lower resolution than re252 (to my ears), mx980 (according to other people)

 

overall they like mx980 the best, don't know about tm5. So I guess re252 aside, mx980 unbeatable resolution and a reasonably good speed. People often overlook speed.

post #109 of 266

I don't really think it is merely about speed. First of all, RE252 doesn't have quite as impactful a leading edge as PK1. In fact, I don't know any IEM has such fast a leading edge as PK1. The reason is simple. IEM as a sealed system has inherently more acoustic impedance to overcome than the open earbud. Even the fastest IEM I have ever heard, an ER4S, don't have as much leading edge as a PK1 in a quick note, not to mention PK1 itself is already fantastically fast. You are simply comparing the best of something against  the weakness of something else, and the conclusion really doesn't mean much.

post #110 of 266

Why is there so much reviews about the MX980, and no reviews about the CX980?? Do they have the same drivers?

post #111 of 266

So can you tell me it is normal for earbuds to have lower resolution than iem?  What advantage does iem have from enginneering point of view?

post #112 of 266

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Originally Posted by kanonathena View Post

So can you tell me it is normal for earbuds to have lower resolution than iem?  What advantage does iem have from enginneering point of view?


It is not about lower or higher resolution, but the sonic character changes between an closed and  an opened system. For example, try push your PK1 / MX980 as deep and hard as possible to force a sealed environment thrn you will notice how soundstage has been limited while everything seems much more forward thus more noticeable (of course it might not sound as good because your earbud isn't tuned for closed system). It is that kind of forwardness / closeness that make an IEM being perceived as more resolving / detailed.

 

The development of IEM has always been for its isolation, and that is the main advantage. The same music will sounds better simply by cutting 20dB of background noise out. Regardless of how good PK1 is, it can't compete with a $50 decently isolated IEM in a noisy subway. You will have to hear the sound first before you can understand the quality.

post #113 of 266

The 980 has a massive stage and is clear as a freaking bell with a much deeper bass experience than anything listed.  Not one of those listed here even come close.  However, they are heavily neutral sounding and not that fun compared to the others.  Its the best sounding non inner ear bud to ever exist.

 

the pk1 is very fun and colored sounding, but it has a tiny stage and is bested by the sennheiser MX580 in terms of overall clarity and kick.  It only has slightly more bass than the MX series' cheapest set at like 25$ outside of that there is no significant difference.  Its flat out the worst buy I've ever had along with the HD595 lol >.>  Does it sound awful?  not at all, its very fun lively and energetic sounding but again it is about 90$ too expensive 

 

the tm5 is kind of a middle of the road thing, i havent gotten my own set so i can only go by the few times i did hear it.  It is not nearly as colored as the pk1, but its also not nearly as neutral as the mx980.  Its...a less colored version of the pk1 as i found the bass and overall clarity to be very much the same.

 

As for the CX980, it is incredibly deep sounding and very spacious but not at all comfortable lol.  Its stage is good, but for an inner ear bud it is not that special as my Fischer Audio Eterna and Silver Bullets smash them in every way and are far less expensive.  However i have no idea if they use the same stuff as the mx980, thats a great question someone should ask sennheiser about

 

so, my final advice to you sir is if you want something of the highest quality and clarity in a non inner ear bud, the mx980 is leagues ahead of anything else on the market and totally unique.  It is not so musical and fun as the others, but side by side comparisons prove it is just in another world of clarity and overall quality.  

 

if you want something fun, get the Mx580 instead of the pk1 and save yourself like 100$ lol.  They are 90% the same thing except that the pk1 has a smidgen more bass, staging and clarity are near identical, heck, if you have that budget then go for the MX880 instead which is even more musical and fun sounding than the 580 but still less expensive than the Pk1 rofl. 

 

if you want an inner ear bud, Eterna/Silver Bullet Hippo VB ftw man...you cant do better. fhew, long post, hope i helped lol


Edited by swbf2cheater - 8/21/10 at 5:14am
post #114 of 266
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Originally Posted by swbf2cheater View Post

The 980 has a massive stage and is clear as a freaking bell with a much deeper bass experience than anything listed.  Not one of those listed here even come close.  However, they are heavily neutral sounding and not that fun compared to the others.  Its the best sounding non inner ear bud to ever exist.

 

the pk1 is very fun and colored sounding, but it has a tiny stage and is bested by the sennheiser MX580 in terms of overall clarity and kick.  It only has slightly more bass than the MX series' cheapest set at like 25$ outside of that there is no significant difference.  Its flat out the worst buy I've ever had along with the HD595 lol >.>  Does it sound awful?  not at all, its very fun lively and energetic sounding but again it is about 90$ too expensive 

 

the tm5 is kind of a middle of the road thing, i havent gotten my own set so i can only go by the few times i did hear it.  It is not nearly as colored as the pk1, but its also not nearly as neutral as the mx980.  Its...a less colored version of the pk1 as i found the bass and overall clarity to be very much the same.

 

As for the CX980, it is incredibly deep sounding and very spacious but not at all comfortable lol.  Its stage is good, but for an inner ear bud it is not that special as my Fischer Audio Eterna and Silver Bullets smash them in every way and are far less expensive.  However i have no idea if they use the same stuff as the mx980, thats a great question someone should ask sennheiser about

 

so, my final advice to you sir is if you want something of the highest quality and clarity in a non inner ear bud, the mx980 is leagues ahead of anything else on the market and totally unique.  It is not so musical and fun as the others, but side by side comparisons prove it is just in another world of clarity and overall quality.  

 

if you want something fun, get the Mx580 instead of the pk1 and save yourself like 100$ lol.  They are 90% the same thing except that the pk1 has a smidgen more bass, staging and clarity are near identical, heck, if you have that budget then go for the MX880 instead which is even more musical and fun sounding than the 580 but still less expensive than the Pk1 rofl. 

 

if you want an inner ear bud, Eterna/Silver Bullet Hippo VB ftw man...you cant do better. fhew, long post, hope i helped lol

 

actually my cx980 is really good sounding

it is way better than the eterna and even mtpg

post #115 of 266
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Originally Posted by swbf2cheater View Post

the pk1 is very fun and colored sounding, but it has a tiny stage and is bested by the sennheiser MX580 in terms of overall clarity and kick.  It only has slightly more bass than the MX series' cheapest set at like 25$ outside of that there is no significant difference.  Its flat out the worst buy I've ever had along with the HD595 lol >.>  Does it sound awful?  not at all, its very fun lively and energetic sounding but again it is about 90$ too expensive

Interestly I just got the MX580 a few weeks ago. Yes, MX580 has "bigger" soundstage, but more in lateral and not enough in depth. It also adds too much reverberation / decay that are not there. Overall it handles soundstage (among other things) worst than MX760 which I already consider a little too 'artificial' in soundstage. Still I agree that MX580 is a great buy for $30.
 

post #116 of 266

definitely not as good as the eterna or silver bullet imo, ill defend that to the death. 

also, ive never used the mx760 so i cant really say anything about it

post #117 of 266

How MX980 SQ compare to Radius DDM?

post #118 of 266

i just checked Amazon.com and discovered the MX 980 is about 200$ where the MX 880 are around 60$, and for the difference of frequency, it's not worth paying 140$ more for the MX 980 compared to the MX 880...

post #119 of 266

the 980 and 880 are nothing a like. 

 

both the 580 and 880 are colored and do not have the separation, soundstage width or bass quality and quantity as the 980s.   Best to get them used, while they are the best earbud ever made of a hanging style and not inner ear, i feel their price tag still too high to purchase at full market listing.  Put a WTB ad up here and get them much cheaper, or hope for used on ebay

post #120 of 266

i don't want an intra-aural earphones anymore, i feel like they're damaging my ears too much and i already have a little tinnitus...so i don't want to make it worse.


Edited by RaptorZX3 - 10/2/10 at 8:34pm
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