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post #346 of 725

Les and Halo thanks for the additional info.  I am glad to read that better speakers can fly with the sparrow.  The reasons I am asking is that I have read lots of impressions on forums that turn out to be a "little inexperienced"  especially when dealing with lower priced gear.

 

I did get a chance to listen to the Compass at 2009 LA Canjam and felt let down by its performance with Senn 650s.  At least to me my Benchmark drove them better and with much better detail and accuracy.  Hence my hesitation especially after reading that the Compass was a great bargain DAC / Amp.

 

Maybe I can get one of the locals to bring a Fun or Sparrow to the Denver meet in August.  It sounds as though I may also have to seek out a DAC 19 with DSP as well.

 

thanks again!

post #347 of 725
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Originally Posted by haloxt View Post

I have tried sparrow preamp out as lineout to ~$1000 speakers and $200 computer speakers, it sounds good, but compared to my dac19mk3 rca out, it doesn't have as much soundstage detail/depth or timbre variety and can feel compressed in complex passages, but it does have a powerful sound. Compared to compass, the sparrow is quite more detailed and accurate, but compass dac out has the advantage of being a little more natural and emotive.

 

If timbre variety, low volume ambient detail and distinct instruments are important to you, I'd say consider the dac19dsp. If you just want clear and fast macro-detail, good soundstage, some texture, and powerful drive, sparrow may be all you need. I personally wouldn't worry too much about the apple tv's jitter, from what I read people say it is a decent transport. There's things you could try to improve your transport, but it'll probably be trial and error. If you're worried about transport quality, and you happen to like timbre/ambient detail a lot, I'd say get the dac19dsp.


ouch now I gotta consider this. the only dac I have at the moment is the D10 unfortunately, and if what I'm reading is correct, an upgrade asap is going to be in order e.g. when I listened to Hoobastank, and when it hit the chorus, everything just sounded mashed up. I ain't sure if it's the production or the dac, but if I read the first paragraph right re: complex passages, then it will be down to the dac. wish the dsp would drop it's price to be a lil' more affordable for a student lol.

post #348 of 725

Pop is my favorite genre, sadly pretty much all I have is recorded poorly with voices sounding like robots and have horrible soundstage. You can see the total dynamic range of a song with the offline version of this program, have to convert flac to wav though. For heavy pop, 6-7 should be the lowest dynamic range, if 4-5, it is very likely overcompressed, but this is just a general rule of thumb, some instruments like drums can cause the DR score to plummet when it actually isn't overcompressed.

 

http://www.pleasurizemusic.com/es/es/download

 

My guess is that your hoobastank song is just compressed, and probably has little soundstage anyway just like most modern pop :/. One album I think is almost as fun as pop music, but can tell you how good your soundstage is, is Sarah Brightman's 1995 album "Surrender". Most of her albums are overcompressed and she sounds like some bright hissy demon :p.


Edited by haloxt - 6/24/10 at 11:39am
post #349 of 725

Just ordered mine, version A with USB. This is going to be my very first DAC/AMP, so I'm looking forward.

post #350 of 725

Hope you like it, and do share listening impressions even if they aren't positive :p.

 

And I just recently found out, there's actually a 2x or 4x oversampling jumper on the ad1852 dac module just like for the audio-gd FUN. It's supposed to make it less harsh or something like that.

post #351 of 725
post #352 of 725

That's 4x oversampling. Default for my module was 2x.

post #353 of 725
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Pop is my favorite genre, sadly pretty much all I have is recorded poorly with voices sounding like robots and have horrible soundstage. You can see the total dynamic range of a song with the offline version of this program, have to convert flac to wav though. For heavy pop, 6-7 should be the lowest dynamic range, if 4-5, it is very likely overcompressed, but this is just a general rule of thumb, some instruments like drums can cause the DR score to plummet when it actually isn't overcompressed.

 

http://www.pleasurizemusic.com/es/es/download

 

My guess is that your hoobastank song is just compressed, and probably has little soundstage anyway just like most modern pop :/. One album I think is almost as fun as pop music, but can tell you how good your soundstage is, is Sarah Brightman's 1995 album "Surrender". Most of her albums are overcompressed and she sounds like some bright hissy demon :p.

 

that last bit made me lol
 

post #354 of 725

Sarah "Bright"man

 

Peete.

post #355 of 725

p.s. the hoobastank song had a dynamic range of 4 lol

post #356 of 725

If you don't have many well recorded cd's, you should try www.magnatune.com . Only $45 for 3 months of download membership for many hundreds of independent musician albums in wav, flac and lossy formats. Imo good quality music on a good mp3 player is more enjoyable than very overcompressed music on hi-fi equipment.

post #357 of 725
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If you don't have many well recorded cd's, you should try www.magnatune.com . Only $45 for 3 months of download membership for many hundreds of independent musician albums in wav, flac and lossy formats. Imo good quality music on a good mp3 player is more enjoyable than very overcompressed music on hi-fi equipment.


I'd pay that gladly if there wasn't a cap limit as to how much I can download here in Australia. It's stupidly ridiculous here :(

post #358 of 725

Try looking at their waveforms in an editing program or foobar's default visualizer, the clipped songs are pretty obvious. All that music t2301.gif

 

(edited - editing program not ending program. I need... to... proofread)


Edited by Ypoknons - 6/29/10 at 9:44pm
post #359 of 725

Roughly speaking, with the Sparrow, you're not going to get the wide soundstage, especially with demanding music, that you will out of the C2 or another good mid-range amp and the DAC wont be as resolving as a high-end one, but to get the soundstage and resolution, you'll be spending at least 2.5x the cost or more to get those things.  Upgrading the default DAC OPAMP can be done cheaply as well, improving its performance noticeably.

post #360 of 725

So, is it possible to change opamp on the sparrow? I saw the official page some days ago, and the only opamp that were described, were the ones for the dc coupling. There was also written that they don't need to be changed.

I'd really like to put a burson discrete one in the sparrow if possible, to increase the dac quality, and maybe get nearer to a highend dac.

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