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post #316 of 725

Not everyone appreciates a hobby to the same degree, Carl. You may not like audio electronics, but many of us do. I had a grandmother who thought I was dumb because I couldn't tell between small shades of fabric colors without a side by side reference, but such visual discrimination and visual memory is a learned skill. The same with sound discernment, if you don't have a good memory of real life or high fidelity sound, you have no reference point, and I would highly recommend taking your ipod to an instrument music store and comparing the difference between ipod sound and real life sound.

post #317 of 725

CrazyCarl proves what most of us have forgot.

 

Listening to Audio Gear is learned, you're not born with it.

 

It takes a lot of work before you can appreciate detail and subtlety.

 

A lot of us had other people point out stuff to us in listening sessions in HiFi Shops or at other Audiophile's homes.  Not much of this done anymore.  The HiFi shop pretty much doesn't exist anymore with a few exceptions.  This was a good meeting place for like minded individuals of different listening skills to meet regularly. 

 

I certainly remember when I could not hear what other people heard.

 

But 10's of Thousands of hours later and the picture starts snapping into focus.You develop the skill of hearing.

 

CC has reached the SoundCard level in his Audio Education.  Apparently he has "learned" to hear the difference between Soundcards and Tin cans.  We should applaud his progress...

 

So CC should go away and Listen and Learn for 20 or 30 Thousand hours and get back with us...

 

post #318 of 725
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Originally Posted by les_garten View Post

CrazyCarl proves what most of us have forgot.

 

Listening to Audio Gear is learned, you're not born with it.

 

It takes a lot of work before you can appreciate detail and subtlety.

 

Not with headphones.  The difference is profound when using cheap ones then going to good ones.
 

post #319 of 725


 

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Originally Posted by AVU View Post

I see that the Audio-Gd Sparrow now has a single review, which says it's junk.  That's great.  So now all the newbies coming here will read that and say to themselves, well, this is obviously too inexpensive to be a decent DAC/amp combo, so I guess I have to spend $500+ to get anything even halfway decent.  Which, I believe, was exactly the opposite of what Carl was originally trying to do (get people to spend less.)  


And I'm recommending this crappy unit to beginners because in pure engineering terms, at least it is a professionally engineered device.

 

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Originally Posted by haloxt View Post

Not everyone appreciates a hobby to the same degree, Carl. You may not like audio electronics, but many of us do. I had a grandmother who thought I was dumb because I couldn't tell between small shades of fabric colors without a side by side reference, but such visual discrimination and visual memory is a learned skill. The same with sound discernment, if you don't have a good memory of real life or high fidelity sound, you have no reference point, and I would highly recommend taking your ipod to an instrument music store and comparing the difference between ipod sound and real life sound.


Do us a favor Carl, and pick up a guitar and pluck some strings,  bang on the drum kit.  If you do this (no more bothersome than carrying out a blind test) we would all respect you findings.  Let us know how a real guitar, piano, or drums compare to the Ipod or the Sparrow for that matter.

post #320 of 725

No, thats not my goal.  I just want very clear sounding music.  I don't need to go to lengths to try and prove that an "audiophile" device is marginally better than something cheap.

 

But don't tell me that 300 ohm Sennheisers are gonna be so massively improved with a dedicated amp.  They are not.

post #321 of 725

That should be your goal.  Emulating reality is a large part of this hobby - this is not the hobby for you.

 

Boost the treble, you phones sound clearer.  Let it be.


Edited by SP Wild - 6/18/10 at 10:02am
post #322 of 725

Obviously!!!

 

But I do highly appreciate good neutral headphones.

post #323 of 725

could a moderator please prevent Crazy*Carl from further polluting the Sparrow thread? i'm having to sift through Crazy*Carl's pointless, off-topic posts to find information about the Sparrow. Crazy*Carl, go waste people's time with your useless findings in another thread, or better yet, on another forum. there should be a minimum age restriction for online forums like this so people like you can't waste my time.

post #324 of 725

omg how can sparrow + good headphone sound like a iPod :p

go listing  to real life action music  then you will hear that the sparrow is closer to real life sound there your iPod ???

post #325 of 725

Carl, you should get the k701 for your next headphone purchase.

post #326 of 725
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Originally Posted by movi View Post

could a moderator please prevent Crazy*Carl from further polluting the Sparrow thread? i'm having to sift through Crazy*Carl's pointless, off-topic posts to find information about the Sparrow. Crazy*Carl, go waste people's time with your useless findings in another thread, or better yet, on another forum. there should be a minimum age restriction for online forums like this so people like you can't waste my time.


Someone is a little angry.  So I cant post my opinion?  I have actual tests results unlike most people.

 

I'm 23 btw, not a child.

 

Im sorry your so sore about wasting your precious money.

post #327 of 725
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Originally Posted by superchan View Post

omg how can sparrow + good headphone sound like a iPod :p

go listing  to real life action music  then you will hear that the sparrow is closer to real life sound there your iPod ???


I failed blind testing.  You can't argue against that.  They sound the exact same to me.

 

Some really cranky audiophools in here.

post #328 of 725
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Originally Posted by Crazy*Carl View Post




I failed blind testing.  You can't argue against that.  They sound the exact same to me.

 

Some really cranky audiophools in here.


Some people can't tell the difference between Chinese, Japanese, Korean, and Thai.

 

Are they the same?

 

They all sound alike to the ignorant...

post #329 of 725

Back on topic. Does anyone have a Sparrow yet who can share their impressions so far about the sparrow compared to some of their other equipment. You don't have to wait a month and post a giant review, I was more interested in how the sparrow B compares to something like $130 Musiland Moniter 02. I would be using DT880 250 but any comparison would be good.

post #330 of 725
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Originally Posted by Zink View Post

Back on topic. Does anyone have a Sparrow yet who can share their impressions so far about the sparrow compared to some of their other equipment. You don't have to wait a month and post a giant review, I was more interested in how the sparrow B compares to something like $130 Musiland Moniter 02. I would be using DT880 250 but any comparison would be good.


Sure.  I also wrote a review of the Sparrow on head-fi.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/products/audio-gd-sparrow-dac/reviews

 

I conducted a blind AB test with the ipod and sparrow, and I failed it. 

 

The Sparrow sounds very good, but then again so does my ipod and onboard sound with HD580.  Would everyone fail this blind test? I dunno, but I did.

 

I am probably one of the few who have actually blind tested the Sparrow, and I think my opinion should not just be cast away because I don't rave about it.  Don't accuse me of being a troll.  I am posting my opinion which is even based on test data.  It is very easy to trick yourself when listening.  I have done it many times.  When you actually hear something through a blind test, you eliminate all bias and placebo.


Edited by Crazy*Carl - 6/18/10 at 9:17pm
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