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Modular cable upgrade for K702 and HD600

post #1 of 9
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So I basically have the HD600 and K702 that I potentially want to upgrade the cables on. Not sure on the cable I'll use yet exactly, but I'm leaning toward a few options that would be pretty expensive ($10+ per ft). My point is really that since it's kind of expensive, rather than make a bunch of cables, I had an idea to basically make a one foot section coming from the headphones that ends in a 4 pin mini xlr (male pins). Then, the 5-6 ft (or whatever) section of headphone cable would be 4 pin mini xlr (female pins) to standard 1/4". So, if I'm using the same amp with two headphones, I just disconnect the mini 4 pin at the headphone, switch headphones, and reconnect the mini 4 pin. Even on different amps, it wouldn't take long to swap the 1/4 and the mini 4 pin. This allows me to basically have one headphone cable for multiple headphones, even beyond the HD600 and K702.

On the surface it seems to me to be a great solution instead of building two separate cables and essentially doubling my cost. Later down the line I can build different cables with different materials and quickly and easily try them on both headphones. I would essentially also convert all future headphones to the same setup, this way I could always try any headphone cable I own with any headphone I own, instantly.

I guess my big question would be whether or not this extra connection of mini xlr 4 pin male to female would impact sound quality to the point that it wouldn't be worth it. To give an idea of the types of cables I'm interested in at first, DHC UPOCC Nucleotide wire, ALO SXC or UPOCC wire, cryo-parts twcu or scscag, HGA pure silver braid, etc. Would cables of this quality be noticeably negatively effected by having an extra connection of the mini xlr 4 pin to the point that it's not worth doing this?

Also, the initial cable will of course have a matching 1 foot section from the headphone to the 4 pin xlr (male pins), but down the line, how much would it the sound be impacted if the long (5-6 foot) section is made of one material and the short 1 foot section is made of something else? Like the 1 foot section is copper, but the 5 foot section is silver or silver plated copper? Would this be much different than using silver interconnects with copper cable, for example? Would this whole idea be pointless if I don't always build new 1 foot matching sections for every headphone for each long section? It would be less convenient, but would still save money in the long run if I ever plan to try a few different cable types, because new headphones will only ever require the 1 foot headphone to mini xlr 4 pin cable instead of their own 6ft+ cable.
post #2 of 9
I might not be a great person to answer since I don't have a highly resolving system, but in my opinion, it won't matter a great deal to have that connection point. Many very expensive aftermarket cables have adapters on them like a balanced to single-ended adapters and not many people seem to care or notice a difference. I have added connection points to my headphones with no noticeable degradation of sound. It is all personal perception. Some people don't hear any change in sound no matter how fancy the cable, and some act as if the whole universe shifted when they got their new cable.

I think if you are to really hear a difference, it is important to keep as much of the same materials throughout your chain as you can. If you have a bunch of couple foot lengths of different materials and expect to hear one over the other, you will probably be disappointed.

You could do a cheaper experiment by buying some Mogami W2893 and making one the way you were thinking about and one just straight for whichever headphone you like and see if you can 1) tell the difference between the Mogami and stock (the Mogami is in theory an upgrade) 2) tell the difference between the minixlr cable and the regular. I'd suggest doing it with your K702's since a minxlr is much cheaper than some Cardas Senn connectors. You can get all materials for the experiment quite cheaply at Redco.com
post #3 of 9
All aural considerations aside, I think it would be annoying to have a heavy adapter section hanging around your chest while listening to music.
post #4 of 9
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Originally Posted by mugdecoffee View Post
All aural considerations aside, I think it would be annoying to have a heavy adapter section hanging around your chest while listening to music.
Thats what I keep telling people, but the viablue splitters keep flying off the shelves......
post #5 of 9
Thread Starter 
Hmmm, I hadn't considered the weight of the connector and it's location. That's true that it may be pretty inconvenient/uncomfortable.

Is the mini xlr (4 pin) pretty heavy if both sides are there? Would it be so noticeable as to be a problem?
post #6 of 9
So just to clarify

You want to make an adapter for both your 702's and 600's and cables that will fit into those adapters? which will allow you to swap cables between headphones?

If thats right, i think its a cool idea.
You could also try and just make a 3 pin adapter for the 600's. that wat you dont need an adapter for the 702's. or if you really want the 4 pin mini xlr, perhaps for balanced use, you could try and replace the 3pin connector in the 702's with a 4 pin connector.

Well, those are just my thoughts.
Anyway, if i understood you correctly i thinks it would be awesome.
post #7 of 9
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Originally Posted by Farnsworth View Post
So just to clarify

You want to make an adapter for both your 702's and 600's and cables that will fit into those adapters? which will allow you to swap cables between headphones?

If thats right, i think its a cool idea.
You could also try and just make a 3 pin adapter for the 600's. that wat you dont need an adapter for the 702's. or if you really want the 4 pin mini xlr, perhaps for balanced use, you could try and replace the 3pin connector in the 702's with a 4 pin connector.

Well, those are just my thoughts.
Anyway, if i understood you correctly i thinks it would be awesome.
Yeah, thats the idea. Basically to have it so every pair of headphones I ever own could be very quickly and easily used with any and every pair of headphone cables I ever buy (assuming I terminate them in mini 4 pin xlr), allowing me to try every cable with every headphone without buying the specific "model" cable for the specific headphone which would get very expensive and really would prevent me from trying more cables with more headphones. The only reason I would use 4 pin is to keep it future proof for converting to balanced or something.

I feel like it's a good idea on the surface, but I hadn't considered how heavy and cumbersome the mini xlr connection might be. I might still try it though. I would actually do my DT880s also, where I would recable them to terminate in a mini xlr 4 pin with a ~1foot length. Then I can do anything I want for cables with it without opening them again, and use the same cables with them that I use for the k702s and hd600s. I would prefer to just put the mini xlr right in or at the cans themselves, but this would be complicated since some headphones have the cable exit on one side and others come out both cans. That's the reasoning for the ~1 foot sections.
post #8 of 9
I don't think the weight of a mini 4pin male and female together would be all that outrageous, especially after having just fixed a Viablue splitter to a cable for someone. I have a 3 pin mini in my hand and it weighs almost nothing. It's not like it is a Furutech 1/4 or something like that.

Are you thinking about going balanced? If not, then using a 3 pin as suggested would be a great idea so you could hook it up to your 702's directly and only need the 1 foot split adapter for the Senns.
post #9 of 9
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Originally Posted by FraGGleR View Post
I don't think the weight of a mini 4pin male and female together would be all that outrageous, especially after having just fixed a Viablue splitter to a cable for someone. I have a 3 pin mini in my hand and it weighs almost nothing. It's not like it is a Furutech 1/4 or something like that.

Are you thinking about going balanced? If not, then using a 3 pin as suggested would be a great idea so you could hook it up to your 702's directly and only need the 1 foot split adapter for the Senns.
Yeah I think I might still try it. Worst case I find that I don't like it and reterminate with the appropriate connectors for whatever headphones, not too much lost.

I think I'm gonna stick with the 4 pin though because while I don't have the money to go balanced at the moment, someday I might and I wouldn't want to have to redo everything just to do it. A minor inconvenience at this point for the K702 to have a mini xlr 3 pin to mini xlr 4 pin to the headphone cable.
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