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Originally Posted by Superpredator View Post
Asr inexperienced? This might be the most newbish thing a person could possibly say on Head-Fi. Asr was THE major proponent of the K701, well before you joined Head-Fi. I'll bet he had a deep interest in seeing their potential explored before you had ever put them on your head. Remember his K701 loaner program? You should; you posted in the thread. For all his passion, not once did he go around trashing other people like you do. You can't really be that classless, can you? Just how do you determine that someone is an "inexperienced member with money," anyway? It's starting to become clear that you slap that label on anyone who happens to call you out on the trends that define your behavior. Moneyed newbies may well exist, but to act as though you have some special power to pick them out is, well, insane. You talk a lot about fact vs. experience/opinion, but I'm not sure you're clear on the differences yourself.
Exactly.

Acix showing his ignorance again. What's new? Making the statement that Asr is inexperienced is so noob you would almost think Acix was trying to pull one over on us April Fools style. But we all know he isn't witty enough to attempt something like that.
post #122 of 130
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are headphones like HD650/k701 designed with High End systems in mind?
I hope so!

I'd have never brought my K702 if it weren't.

I'm mean, do you want high-end 'phones too be designed for low-end systems?

That's what low-end 'phones are for.
Don't get the two mixed up! :k702smile:
post #123 of 130
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Originally Posted by Superpredator View Post
For all his passion, not once did he go around trashing other people like you do.
Dude, he just did. And this has nothing to do with 70X. And experience doesn't have to be about how long someone has been on Head-Fi. I started working in the studio when I was 14 on my summer vacations. This was almost 30 years ago. Now fast forward to today, I'm a mastering engineer and recording artist. The collaborations with my colleagues and clients, some with 40-50 years of experience, go so much more smoothly than many of these discussions with the Head-Fi members. I'll never hear them saying "Everybody hears differently." With them it's much more simple. I think the reason for this is that either they have experience which unites us and we're on the same page, or they don't have that experience, which is fine too. What happens in that case is that we just move on as a team to accomplish the goal. Now look to this thread and you'll see speculation, opinion and hearsay come in and this is how the conversation disintegrates and falls apart. People who read this thread are not going to get anything useful out of it.

I do my best to stay professional, stay away from the personal attacks and only speak about my own experiences, but when someone decides to make it personal with me, I may choose to respond.
post #124 of 130
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Originally Posted by Acix View Post
Dude, he just did. And this has nothing to do with 70X. And experience doesn't have to be about how long someone has been on Head-Fi. I started working in the studio when I was 14 on my summer vacations. This was almost 30 years ago. Now fast forward to today, I'm a mastering engineer and recording artist. The collaborations with my colleagues and clients, some with 40-50 years of experience, go so much more smoothly than many of these discussions with the Head-Fi members. I'll never hear them saying "Everybody hears differently." With them it's much more simple. I think the reason for this is that either they have experience which unites us and we're on the same page, or they don't have that experience, which is fine too. What happens in that case is that we just move on as a team to accomplish the goal. Now look to this thread and you'll see speculation, opinion and hearsay come in and this is how the conversation disintegrates and falls apart. People who read this thread are not going to get anything useful out of it.

I do my best to stay professional, stay away from the personal attacks and only speak about my own experiences, but when someone decides to make it personal with me, I may choose to respond.
Nah, what he did was quite tactful. Moving on...

What exactly do you expect out of a forum? I think you're trying to reconcile professional audio with personal audio, and in my opinion that's a mistake. Head-Fi isn't a team trying to accomplish a goal, setting aside its differences for the sake of a common project. It's a mixed group of people of varied levels of experience and interests. Not many people are trying to master a track here, and you really can't apply what may be loose truths for the mastering engineers you've worked with to people searching for their own personal sound. Even if we go under the assumption that people don't hear differently, people certainly perceive, think, and opine differently. Let's take a look at an opinion right here:

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10K is absurd! You can get a very good new amp for around $500 and up. Some sound cards under $500 will do the trick too, the Apogee Duet is one example. The next one up would be the Mini DAC, which would be fully balanced.
I'm going to assume that you don't think your opinion caused the thread to fall apart. Or maybe you regard your statement as a series of facts? I've seen your discussions of fact vs. opinion, and you don't seem very consistent. A belief drawn from experience--even professional--is an opinion. It may be a working fact in your line of work, but that doesn't translate to a fact here. To be honest, I really haven't seen many facts from you.

Regardless, as far as I can tell, people don't frequent Head-Fi for other people's facts--where exactly are the facts in "What are the best headphones under $100 for rock?" This very thread was started to garner people's experiential opinions, so to say opinion ruined it is a little absurd. If you seriously have a problem with other people expressing their opinions, I'm not sure what you're doing here. This isn't a mastering engineers' website, with agreed-upon facts laid out; it's a forum, where everyone tells everyone what they think. If you love audio facts so much, there's a place for that. It's called hydrogenaudio. This isn't meant as a slight against you, but I'm far more interested in the opinions of people with a ton of personal audio experience than in the facts (or opinions) of an audio professional with less. I consider points of reference extremely meaningful--the more the better.

Now, to say that speculation ruined the thread is fair. I'll accept complete responsibility for that. My bad. However, I don't agree that the thread didn't elicit something of value. It was an interesting topic. Edit: I should also point out that you were quite content with my speculation when it pointed toward something you thought to be true.

In any event, I'm not here to attack you personally, and I'd be lying if I said you didn't seem a little persecuted to me--there may come a time when I choose the K701 over the HD800, and then people can roll their eyes at me. I don't know your entire history though, so maybe not. I find people generally pretty reasonable to deal with here, but I think the key is taking care not to limit the experiences of others to the boundaries of your own--even when you're so sure of something you consider it a fact. If you repeatedly buzz in people's ears, they will swat at you.
post #125 of 130
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Originally Posted by Acix View Post
I do my best to stay professional, stay away from the personal attacks and only speak about my own experiences, but when someone decides to make it personal with me, I may choose to respond.
For what it's worth Acix, even though I do agree with some of superpredators writings concerning facts and opinions etc., what you say above is what I've been witnessing. I tend to subscribe to the K70x related threads because they can be fun to read, especially when the passions flare. You've been prolific and you've fallen victim to a lot of ridicule and dismissive slur because of your tireless support of your K702 sound.
post #126 of 130
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Originally Posted by rhythmdevils View Post
(I haven't experienced amps fixing this myself, but I'll leave that to the )
Agreed. People fool new-comers to this forum with promises of higher end equipment "fixing" the sound of a headphone, in my opinion.
post #127 of 130
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Originally Posted by Henerenry View Post
All headphones suck, go and buy some speakers!

/hides
All speakers suck, go to a live concert.
post #128 of 130
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Originally Posted by Superpredator View Post
What exactly do you expect out of a forum?

I'm here to share my knowledge and experience, to inspire and be inspired by members who have something interesting to bring to the table.


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To be honest, I really haven't seen many facts from you.
Funny, last night this said that you haven't seen any facts from me. I guess over night, you realized what facts stand for and made an adjustment to your statement. It also appears that you also realized what honesty stands for. I appreciate that.
post #129 of 130
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Originally Posted by Superpredator View Post
Not many people are trying to master a track here, and you really can't apply what may be loose truths for the mastering engineers you've worked with to people searching for their own personal sound.
I like this line quite a bit. Thank you for posting it.

To parallel the comment of "loose truths" between sound mastering engineers, there are similar loose truths between many people who used to frequent these forums and their respective high-end systems. Look around, most $10K systems sound different, but when you get down to it they almost all have some similarities. Engineers who are not deaf mix music in a largely similar way, but they still find room for their differences.
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Originally Posted by Superpredator View Post
In any event, I'm not here to attack you personally, and I'd be lying if I said you didn't seem a little persecuted to me--there may come a time when I choose the K701 over the HD800, and then people can roll their eyes at me.
Plenty of people have made that choice. The k701 do somethings better than the HD800, others not so much.
Its interesting, that the HD800 people dont hop into what feels like EVERY SINGLE K701 thread to say your doing it wrong. You can find plenty of posts about the superiority of the 701 in recent threads about senns.

Showing up in every thread you can post about the superiority of the K701 gets old quick.
post #130 of 130
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Originally Posted by rhythmdevils View Post
are headphones like HD650/k701 designed with High End systems in mind?
This seems like a yes or no question, so IMHO, Yes.

These headphones both "scale up" quite nicely, even though they can sound "pretty good" with out a High End system.
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