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post #316 of 337

I have been following this thread, and as everyone is saying how good the synergy of V200 with the T1s (as well as my HD650) is, I took the plunge.

 

I have received it this afternoon. Having work to do and no RCA cables at home yet, I just unboxed it and kept grinning towards it once in a while.
But I have finally gotten to listen to the V200, for a few hours now, and it's quite surprising how this little thing transformed my headphones. I was expecting my T1s to sound considerably better which they do, but what I didn't see coming is the amazing synergy with my HD650s. I'm actually loving my HD650s all over again .... Amazing.
 
Previously I have been using an Aune T1 and needless to say this is levels above. I am still using my Aune (with an upgraded Mullard ECC88 lamp) as a DAC , and seems to do well enough, but I reckon this is where I should be looking to upgrade next. Any suggestions welcome, and my target budget is 500 GBP (600 EUR, 800 USD).
post #317 of 337

The next logical step up would be the V800, imho. ;)

post #318 of 337
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Originally Posted by negura View Post

I have been following this thread, and as everyone is saying how good the synergy of V200 with the T1s (as well as my HD650) is, I took the plunge.

 

I have received it this afternoon. Having work to do and no RCA cables at home yet, I just unboxed it and kept grinning towards it once in a while.
But I have finally gotten to listen to the V200, for a few hours now, and it's quite surprising how this little thing transformed my headphones. I was expecting my T1s to sound considerably better which they do, but what I didn't see coming is the amazing synergy with my HD650s. I'm actually loving my HD650s all over again .... Amazing.
 
Previously I have been using an Aune T1 and needless to say this is levels above. I am still using my Aune (with an upgraded Mullard ECC88 lamp) as a DAC , and seems to do well enough, but I reckon this is where I should be looking to upgrade next. Any suggestions welcome, and my target budget is 500 GBP (600 EUR, 800 USD).


I agree that the V200 has some impact on the HD650. I've noticed how imaging has improved, but it almost feels like the HD650s are transformed a little. When I listen to them now they don't feel like HD650 anymore (be it good or bad). They feel more open now, layered almost, and at times quite natural. I actually feel like the HD650 and V200 is an excellent synergy for orchestral and classical music. The treble seems softer yet still detailed, and I can keep raising the volume some knob more on many female vocal tracks, which I couldn't do before. I hate to exaggerate, and I hope I'm not going over the line on some statements. But I personally feel like rather than making the HD650 darker which I had been hoping for, they sort of opened up and feel a bit more dynamic than they used to be.

 

The V200 has sparkled my interest in the LCD-2 so I might be selling off the HD650 to afford them, or perhaps going back to HE-400 which I haven't heard on the V200 yet. It would be nice to have a pair of HD650 on the side at all times because of their safe and pleasent sound signature, but I don't have the cash to keep too many headphones; plus, I want to try out different, more fun alternatives.

post #319 of 337

I do agree that the HD650s are now better for a number of genres and yes they have transformed, while at the same time still retaining their trademarks. They are still dark, but the detailing has improved substantially. There is better clarity, soundstage, instrumental imaging, and there is a noticeable improvement in the treble (without being anywhere near sibilant, unlike my T1s). 

 

My view is that with the V200 is the HD650s have finally blossomed. They are retaining their trademark relaxing and darker sound, which succeeds putting a smile to my face every time, but with a high(er)-end sound.

 

I was on the verge of selling the HD650s, but they now make such a great reference for future comparisons (and casual listening), that I will keep them. The irony of this is that I have initially purchased the V200 more for my T1s, but I am now quite convinced  I will return the T1s while I still can. And that's just personal preference, they do sound really great with the V200.


Edited by negura - 2/9/13 at 1:10pm
post #320 of 337
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Originally Posted by Mr Blonde View Post

The next logical step up would be the V800, imho. ;)

 

I tend to fully agree with you. :) Although it will be on the expensive side of what I was going to spend, but I guess this is how it always goes isn't it.


Edited by negura - 2/9/13 at 1:24pm
post #321 of 337

THe V200 makes the TH-900 sounds believable. :)

post #322 of 337
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Originally Posted by negura View Post

 

I tend to fully agree with you. :) Although it will be on the expensive side of what I was going to spend, but I guess this is how it always goes isn't it.

I bought my unit used within your price range. So keep your eyes open and pull the trigger if the opportunity is there. And somedays it will  be there. :) On the other hand you can save your money for it. Another possibility would be the Audiolab M-DAC. But the look doesn't fit to the V200's appearance, imho.

 

Last thing I have to say is just take a look at this:

 

 

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post #323 of 337

^ The V800/200 stack is wonderful. I'm already getting tired of the bulkiness of my Audio-gd DAC. But unfortunately it's gonna be a long while until I can afford something like the V800, alternatively the Sabre D18.

post #324 of 337
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Originally Posted by Monir View Post

^ The V800/200 stack is wonderful. I'm already getting tired of the bulkiness of my Audio-gd DAC. But unfortunately it's gonna be a long while until I can afford something like the V800, alternatively the Sabre D18.

 

 

I've been eyeing similar options for a DAC. The boss at home didn't appreciate me today mentioning such budget potentially allocated into another "headphone" device. :)

But those are good advices from what I've been reading. I am just hoping some magical new amazing DAC will be available for the same quality at a great price. Dream on...


Edited by negura - 2/9/13 at 5:05pm
post #325 of 337

The V200 sounds simply incredible with the HE-500s. Perhaps more than any other amp that we talk about on head-fi, it seems to be beloved in a wider range of headphones and source electronics combinations than any other amplifier. It almost always, just seems to sing. It's analog-like sound never fatigues and never makes you cringe even with bright recordings, and at the same time, it never makes you feel shortchanged in detail and resolution. That's the balance that make so many people like it, me thinks. I know I do. It's a great bang-for-the-buck investment. 


Edited by hifuguy - 2/9/13 at 5:10pm
post #326 of 337

@negura

I bought both things used and prepaid. My boss at home hasn't asked me a single question on the price tag for those units. Ok, it was luck to some point. But the units look both quite inconspicious to wifes/girlfriends, which is a big plus to me. :D But if you look closer, and touch the units you surely can feel the extraordinary quality. :)

 

@hifuguy

 

You're definetaly right in this regard. But I think this amp meanwhile is sufficient appreciated. Same is going on for the extraorinary DAC V800. It's sold out until march.


Edited by Mr Blonde - 2/9/13 at 5:13pm
post #327 of 337
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Originally Posted by hifuguy View Post

The V200 sounds simply incredible with the HE-500s. Perhaps more than any other amp that we talk about on head-fi, it seems to be beloved in a wider range of headphones and source electronics combinations than any other amplifier. It almost always, just seems to sing. It's a great bang-for-the-buck investment. 

 

The only beef appears to be with a couple of ultimate headphones, like the LCD3 and HE-6. Maybe Vioelectric/Lake People will consider the feedback on this forum for the next iteration of V200? :)


Edited by negura - 2/9/13 at 5:19pm
post #328 of 337

Isn't the LCD3 technical quite similar to the LCD. 2.rev1/2/...? The HE 6 indeed seems to need a plenty of power. It seems to be the choice of the listener if a headphone amp is sufficient or not.

Imo someone who doesn't like the HE 6 on the V200 wouldn't be satisfied with any headphone amp/appreciates more a "real" amp.

post #329 of 337

While V200 bolsters a wide soundstage with great instrument separation, it lacks depth and space. If Violectric ever makes a similar product like the V200 but with a more three dimensional soundstage then I'm almost set for life. The only contender in the same price range with a greater soundstage I can think of is the Sabre A18, which unfortunately has a little less current ouput for low impedance and higher output impedance than the V200. However, it should have higher voltage output for high impedances in comparison: 24V into 600ohm, I think.

 

The HE-6 is perhaps too much of a beast, but otherwise I think the V200 couples beautifully with orthos. Can't wait to try out its true potentials.

post #330 of 337

If you read the specs of both Amps you'll see that the V100 outperforms the Auditor in any respect. The Auditor also has a high output impedance of 9Ohms, which makes it unsuitable for a wide variety of cans (all IEMs). With this I'm certainly not saying that he Auditor isn't a respectable Amp, but you should consider it to drive cans with input impedances above 72Ohms.

The V100 can be ordered with a built in 16/48 or 24/96 DAC module, which is also a great value DAC, which outperforms DACs like the CEntrance Dacport and Dacport LX and costing a lot less. With the 24/96 built-in DAC, the V100 is still less expensive than the Auditor. The V100 also features both balanced and unbalanced inputs and 4 gain settings that make it more versatile than the Auditor.

Regarding the difference between the V100 and the V200, it is really a matter of performance with more demanding headphones, being the damping factor the main difference. If you plug in high impedance headphones or inneficient headphones, you can hear subtle differences, but beyond that they are both audio transparent Amps that for the most perform equally well at audible levels.

I own a V100 and I have compared it to the V200, but with cans that are less demanding I couldn't honestly hear any difference. Both Amps live up to the Violectric philosophy: No sound.

Unless you really need the extra power of the V200 (let's say you own a K1000, a HE-6, a T1, etc.), you can without any hesitation go for the V100. I have a HD 800 and a K702, and I really don't need more Amp for those cans. That said, the V100 is still a power beast compared to the large majority of Amps, and if it weren't for the design philosophy of Fried Reim - in which it makes sense - it would most certainly be overkill.
 

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