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DIY Amp Suggestion for K701 (~$50)

post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 
Hey all,

Finally got my K701's in, but don't have an amp yet. I was set on building the Starving Student Hybrid Millet Amp (due to reading that K701's benefit from tubes), but it seems like it's kind of... died at this point. I was wondering if you guys could suggest a good DIY amp that would be able to power my headphones from my laptop and would run me about $50 in parts to make?

-Dark
post #2 of 11
There are no more PCB's and the original tube are almost impossible to find but you can build a Starving Student using different tubes if you build it point to point.

Search the Starving Student thread for 12SR7 & 12AU7 tubes to find more info, 12SR7 is probably the way to go on a budget.
post #3 of 11
Thread Starter 
Thanks, I found the post.

Is the difference in price between the 12AU7 and than the 12SR7 justified? If it's not a big price difference I wouldn't mind building the "better" of the two

-Dark
post #4 of 11
12AU7 style tubes can be picked up for pittance, I paid £5.50 each for mine, mine are military versions..philips 5963. But you have 12AU7, generic ECC82, 12AX7 among other varieties. I may be wrong about this but I think the 12AX7 has more gain due to their popular usage in guitar amps
post #5 of 11
Thread Starter 
I guess the question to ask would be which on is more dependable, less noisy (signal wise), and in the end sound better?

-Dark
post #6 of 11
as far as I know, optimally, the 12SR7 shouldn't sound any better than the 12AU7...

However, the 12AU7 is a double triode.
According to others in the community, the fact that the 12AU7 is a double triode will serve to lessen any mismatching issues between tubes.
If you're going to use the 12SR7, it's more important that the tubes be matched.

at least, this is my understanding.
post #7 of 11
You could take a look at the Bravo hybrid amp (tube + mosfets).
It can be had as low as 50$ on Ebay. It performs wonderfully for such a low budget and can be further improved with closer matched components, regulated PSU, etc.

Being basically a commercial form of the DIY Sijosae hybrid amp, you can of course try to build your own.
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post #8 of 11
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Thanks, I found the post.

Is the difference in price between the 12AU7 and than the 12SR7 justified? If it's not a big price difference I wouldn't mind building the "better" of the two

-Dark
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Originally Posted by Darkraver View Post
I guess the question to ask would be which on is more dependable, less noisy (signal wise), and in the end sound better?

-Dark
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Originally Posted by nullstring View Post
as far as I know, optimally, the 12SR7 shouldn't sound any better than the 12AU7...

However, the 12AU7 is a double triode.
According to others in the community, the fact that the 12AU7 is a double triode will serve to lessen any mismatching issues between tubes.
If you're going to use the 12SR7, it's more important that the tubes be matched.

at least, this is my understanding.
Agreed, the 12AU7 is not 'better' than the 12SR7 in the sense that it does not sound better, just slightly different. The advantage of using 12SR7 tubes is that they're cheap and plentiful.

nullstring is correct in pointing out that, because the 12AU7 is a double triode and since the two triodes are connected in parallel in the 'Starving Student' Millett, the differences between them are averaged. This is thought to help in more evenly matching the channels.

There are however advantages to building a 12AU7 version: for starters you can roll tubes; the 12AU7 version can also use 12AT7 and 12AX7 with no modification (which is why we tend to refer to that version as the 12A_7 build) . Each of these offers a different level of gain and slightly different sonics.

A second advantage is that you can buy current production 12A_7 tubes, which are incredibly robust, non-microphonic and less prone to noise (and in many cases considerably cheaper) than it's NOS siblings.

A third advantage, would be that tube vendors would offer matching service (as well as low noise and low microphonics ) for an extra if you're picky about these factors. In my case I bought my JJ 12AU7s with none of these options and I find them both well matched and absolutely silent regarding noise and microphonics.

Finally, I use my K701s with my 12AU7 'Starving Student' Millet and I think it must be one of the best cheap amps for this cans: it has a sweet tone and power to spare.

cheers!
post #9 of 11
By the way, I just posted to the "Starving Student" thread a version using 17EW8 tubes. These can be bought for as little as US $3.00 on ebay, and the circuit modifications to get them working are minimal.

cheers!
post #10 of 11
Thread Starter 
thanks for the help! guess I have a little project to do now.

Also, can you recommend some reading material for this project? I'd like to be able to eventually design my own amplifier

-Dark
post #11 of 11
Well, aside from reading up and really mastering the basic stuff (Ohms law, Kirchoff's law, etc.) I always recommend this and this.

cheers!
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