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post #211 of 220
Originally Posted by flipflop View Post
 

Apologies for reviving an old thread.

 

Just curious... how would the Z6 hold up against more modern on-ear cans such as the V-Moda XS or the Sennheiser HD25/Amperior/etc. (their model lineup still confuses me)?  I jumped almost immediately to vintage cans after getting into hi fi and thus have no idea on what i'm missing out on.  Where does the Z6 stand in the grander scheme of things?

 

While we're at it, I recently got a decent DAP (Cayin N5) in a trade and was thinking of either getting a more modern can (V-Moda XS) or sticking with the Z6 as a "transportable" rig (my first). Any thoughts?  I would probably have the plug on the Z6 reterminated though, which I would rather leave stock. Would changing the plug affect the value in any way?

 

Thanks in advance for your time!

 

Compared to modern stuff it does fall short especially in it's overall frequency response. 

Bass and treble rolls off a bit early and you don't get a 'full bodied' kind of sound. This doesn't mean it has poor tonality, but does leave it sounding thinner and analytical in the midrange. 

There are areas it excels, perhaps even moreso than modern headphones like transient response and decay, but often these values are overlooked since frequency response and tonality are usually what people hear first.

 

Irreversibly modifying any rare vintage headphone will negatively affect it's resale value.

Changing the plug would lower its face value, but if you could skillfully put the old plug back on at a later date without causing any damage, there is little argument for depreciation. 
Especially since this line of Sonys is slightly infamous for dying cables. 

post #212 of 220

Actually, the DR-Z6 is extremely bassy. Mine is at least. The only real problem with the Z6 tonally speaking is a slight 2kHz bump and a complete and total lack of treble.

 

Here's a quick set of FR plots for the three:

 

Z5:

 

 

Z6:

 


Z7:

 

 

Of these, the Z5 has the best FR, with only a slight 2kHz bump and a suckout in the mid treble. The Z6 tries to bring the 2kHz bump down a bit so it's more in line with the bass, but the lack of upper treble made me slowly despise them more and more over time. The Z7 is my favorite by far due to being much cleaner and more resolving than either of the other two, but it has a broad 10dB emphasis of the upper mids and lower treble that makes it rather inaccurate sounding. 

 

BTW, these are not meant for portable use and they are extremely fragile, so I don't recommend taking them outside or transporting them unless absolutely 100% necessary.

 

BTW #2: the quality control on these headphones is absolutely ******* ridiculous. I almost never see channel matching like that on new headphones, let alone something nearly 40 years old. 


Edited by takato14 - 2/14/17 at 12:25am
post #213 of 220
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Actually, the DR-Z6 is extremely bassy. Mine is at least. 

No, you're just a massive treble-head... I thought this was already established? 

I think you need the custom title: Trebleheadius Supremus.

post #214 of 220

Thanks for the replies!

 

Yeah, I figured it couldn't compete with its more modern counterparts. Duly noted on the possibility of degrading its value with any sort of modification.  I guess I'll have to find another set for my transportable rig.

 

I too agree that these are fragile.  To be honest, they spend most of their time in storage.  Favor my other cans more.  I'm not technically inclined but my set has plenty of treble to my ears.  It's just that they sound a bit more "rounded off" compared to my only modern set (Grado 325is).  Don't know if this is relevant but they seem to sound a lot better with music from the same era.  I now find myself listening to older stuff more ever since I got into vintage cans.  Psychological perhaps?

post #215 of 220
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 Don't know if this is relevant but they seem to sound a lot better with music from the same era.  I now find myself listening to older stuff more ever since I got into vintage cans.  Psychological perhaps?

It's all subjective really, but the closer you get to listening it to how it was recorded and mastered might have something to do with it.

post #216 of 220
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Originally Posted by takato14 View Post
 

Actually, the DR-Z6 is extremely bassy. Mine is at least. 

No, you're just a massive treble-head... I thought this was already established? 

The FR plots don't seem to agree with you... also, you don't actually have a Z6, you bugger. :p 

 

BTW #3: I have seen a DR-Z5 with different drivers than the one I posted earlier, the magnet housing was a different color and it had no bass whatsoever:

 

 

Maybe this is closer to what you hear from the WEGAs?


Edited by takato14 - 2/14/17 at 12:32am
post #217 of 220
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Originally Posted by takato14 View Post
 

Actually, the DR-Z6 is extremely bassy. Mine is at least. 

No, you're just a massive treble-head... I thought this was already established? 

The FR plots don't seem to agree with you... also, you don't actually have a Z6, you bugger. :p 

 

BTW #3: I have seen a DR-Z5 with different drivers than the one I posted earlier, the magnet housing was a different color and it had no bass whatsoever:

 

 

Maybe this is closer to what you hear from the WEGAs?

The Wegas definitely have bass and Z6 palladium drivers, but 'neutral' flat-line bass still sounds somewhat thin to my ears.

From what I've discovered about myself, I'm quite a fan of the Harman Target Curve, and that sounds the most natural to my ears. 
I don't think I'm a basshead, but I do need it quite elevated for me to enjoy what appears to me to be a 'balanced sound'.

post #218 of 220

I could see the Z6 being called neutral to a point, kinda, but the lack of any meaningful response above 4kHz really makes them sound dark. The bass isn't exactly clean either, pretty thick sounding due to high distortion.That being said I do recall them sounding somewhat dark-bright and unpleasant due to the 2kHz bump when trying to turn them up while jamming out. *shrug*

 

I strongly dislike the harman target personally so that explains that I guess. Never heard a headphone that follows that curve sound right...

post #219 of 220
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Originally Posted by GREQ View Post
 

It's all subjective really, but the closer you get to listening it to how it was recorded and mastered might have something to do with it.

 

Yeah, or maybe the music was just better back then. haha!  Anyway, thanks for all the help!

post #220 of 220
Z6 does have nice bass and decay. I second takato take away from the Z6 and z7 as well. The emphasis on 10db ultimately had me favor the Z6 as they came off as being more musical to my ears, though I could still appreciate the z7 for its technnical proficiencies
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