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post #151 of 209
There was a lot of hype about the Z6/Z7 earlier in this thread. Things like: This is the headphone the DT48 wanted to be and such.
post #152 of 209
Example quotes:

"I'm a big fan of detailed headphones like the Sony SA's, DT48 and HD800 but even they cannot match the speed of these."

"Oh my sweet loving mother of Jesus Christ, these headphones are incredible. The amount of technical precision I am hearing seems impossible, and yet here it is, coming from a 35 year old pair of headphones."

"But I cannot stress how technically perfect these headphones are, even my friend's RS2i ($500) simply cannot compare in that respect. My SA3000 sounds slow and sloppy in comparison as well." 
post #153 of 209

DR-Z7 is not the king of resolution.

But a DR-Z7 owner is a king of over-hype.

post #154 of 209

Bad news, the left side is now completely ****ed. I tried them on in the morning and found to be no sound coming from the left side. After examining it I found the wire that came from the coil has been separated and impossible to solder back, oh well.

post #155 of 209
I found an old Koss pro AA or whatever it was called, and it had the same problem. Broke at the voice coil, no way to fix.
post #156 of 209
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Originally Posted by VitalB View Post
 

Bad news, the left side is now completely ****ed. I tried them on in the morning and found to be no sound coming from the left side. After examining it I found the wire that came from the coil has been separated and impossible to solder back, oh well.

I might be able to fix this, I've done it before

 

this happened to my Z5 and I managed to fix it by soldering to the little bit of wire on the side of the driver frame leading to the coil

 

if I can't do that I DO have a Z6 with one working driver at the moment and wouldn't be adverse to selling it to you if you want it

 

also with regards to the Z7's detail retrieval, while they are both extremely fast and absurdly detailed, they lack transparency and because of that the detail takes a back seat to the rest of the sound

 

personally I don't believe the lack of transparency is frequency response related (like GREQ implied), rather it's their distinct lack of soundstage; this is a far-field speaker cone being smashed up against your ear with absolutely no breathing room, so things tend to sound confused (some exceptions are Coil, Krusaders, and Xploding Plastix)

 

I enjoy them because they are highly engaging and "musical" to my ears without sounding messy or sloppy; their detail is merely an afterthought

 

I would like more transparency of course but not if I have to deal with disgusting bass fart to get it, and unfortunately I'm starting to find that 99.9% of all headphones don't have nearly as good bass control/tightness as the Z7; it seems to be restricted to stats and a VERY select few planars actually


Edited by takato14 - 6/17/14 at 8:46pm
post #157 of 209

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personally I don't believe the lack of transparency is frequency response related (like GREQ implied),

Hmm... pretty sure I didn't imply that. Quotes or it didn't happen! :evil:

 

Just in case what I wrote wasn't clear, the lack of transparency is because of a lack of transparency. There. That clears up everything. :D

post #158 of 209
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personally I don't believe the lack of transparency is frequency response related (like GREQ implied),

Hmm... pretty sure I didn't imply that. Quotes or it didn't happen! :evil:

 

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No way.


It's FR is all messed up and 'n' shaped and its just a 2-4Hz peak-machine without equalization.

post #159 of 209

The quote you supplied makes no reference to transparency. 

I'm confused as to where you picked up on any such implications. 

post #160 of 209
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Originally Posted by GREQ View Post
 

The quote you supplied makes no reference to transparency. 

I'm confused as to where you picked up on any such implications. 

you said the frequency response was uneven, and while you weren't talking about transparency then, shortly after you said it lacked transparency

 

the point I was trying to make is while an uneven frequency response could cause a lack of transparency, that's not the reason why in the case of the Z7

 

sorry for the confusion


Edited by takato14 - 6/18/14 at 1:05pm
post #161 of 209
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Originally Posted by takato14 View Post

you said the frequency response was uneven, and while you weren't talking about transparency then, shortly after you said it lacked transparency

 

the point I was trying to make is while an uneven frequency response could cause a lack of transparency, that's not the reason why in the case of the Z7

 

sorry for the confusion

Oh ok, I gotcha.

post #162 of 209
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Originally Posted by AzraelDarkangel View Post

This is the headphone the DT48 wanted to be and such.

regarding that: not even close

 

the DT48 was made for audiometrics, the point of it was merely to produce sound at all frequencies

 

the Z7 was made because Sony needed a really good headphone to go along with their home theatre systems, problem with that is they were only truly good at making speakers at the time, so instead of trying to make a new transducer they miniaturized the midrange cone from their top-flight loudspeaker, the SS-G7, and shoved it in a headphone

 

this initially produced very good results but it had distortion and decay problems (this is the Z5), to fix that they added a precious metal coating on the driver and dimpled the surface of the huge dome, both of which would theoretically help to get closer to the original density and tensile strength of the G7's diaphragm

 

this sparked an era of experimentation from Sony; the first thing they did after the Z7 was make a completely different transducer, this time with a gold coating (the Sony DR-M5 and DR-M7)

 

after that came some absurdly expensive and esoteric stuff (diaphragms made entirely of evaporated diamond/sapphire and such in their MDR-e2x2 and e4x4 series earbuds)

 

unfortunately they seem to have lost their way since then


Edited by takato14 - 6/18/14 at 2:07pm
post #163 of 209
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Originally Posted by takato14 View Post
 

I might be able to fix this, I've done it before

 

this happened to my Z5 and I managed to fix it by soldering to the little bit of wire on the side of the driver frame leading to the coil

 

I think they're now beyond repair. It seems like the wire between the voice coil and the covered wire to the soldering joints has been cut or possibly burnt.

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Originally Posted by takato14 View Post

 

this sparked an era of experimentation from Sony; the first thing they did after the Z7 was make a completely different transducer, this time with a gold coating (the Sony DR-M5 and DR-M7)

 

after that came some absurdly expensive and esoteric stuff (diaphragms made entirely of evaporated diamond/sapphire and such in their MDR-e2x2 and e4x4 series earbuds)

 

unfortunately they seem to have lost their way since then

I wonder why they never made an APM headphone?

post #164 of 209
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Originally Posted by takato14 View Post
 

I might be able to fix this, I've done it before

 

this happened to my Z5 and I managed to fix it by soldering to the little bit of wire on the side of the driver frame leading to the coil

 

I think they're now beyond repair. It seems like the wire between the voice coil and the covered wire to the soldering joints has been cut or possibly burnt.

again, I DO have a spare driver if you want to buy it from me

 

or if you'd like to sell your Z6, I'd be happy to buy it from you

 

send me a PM if you're interested

post #165 of 209
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Originally Posted by takato14 View Post

I might be able to fix this, I've done it before

this happened to my Z5 and I managed to fix it by soldering to the little bit of wire on the side of the driver frame leading to the coil

if I can't do that I DO have a Z6 with one working driver at the moment and wouldn't be adverse to selling it to you if you want it

also with regards to the Z7's detail retrieval, while they are both extremely fast and absurdly detailed, they lack transparency and because of that the detail takes a back seat to the rest of the sound

personally I don't believe the lack of transparency is frequency response related (like GREQ implied), rather it's their distinct lack of soundstage; this is a far-field speaker cone being smashed up against your ear with absolutely no breathing room, so things tend to sound confused (some exceptions are Coil, Krusaders, and Xploding Plastix)

I enjoy them because they are highly engaging and "musical" to my ears without sounding messy or sloppy; their detail is merely an afterthought

I would like more transparency of course but not if I have to deal with disgusting bass fart to get it, and unfortunately I'm starting to find that 99.9% of all headphones don't have nearly as good bass control/tightness as the Z7; it seems to be restricted to stats and a VERY select few planars actually
Could you give some insights as to how DR-Z5 compares with 6 and 7. I saw an 5 at $150 is that a good price? thnks:)
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