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post #3496 of 3714
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Originally Posted by IA64 View Post

Not a problem anymore, be it 6 or 8 drivers, the outcome hasn't changed. I started doubting my ears but run a random listening test on the internet and looks like I still have good ones bigsmile_face.gif

 

 

I never doubted your ears. Just the interfacing. The 16s bass demands some control if you're not into big and bouncy.

post #3497 of 3714
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Originally Posted by longbowbbs View Post

 

Compared the the JH16's with their 4 low end drivers, there is no particular emphasis on a frequency level. When I am out and about I love the JH16's and the additional low end punch. However, when I am in a quiet place and doing critical listening, the T1's are a nice counterpoint to the JH16's. Smoother frequency response is sometimes the right choice for the mood or the music.

 

Agreed

 

Now that I have more experience with CIEMs and particularly those with more drivers, I am still stunned by how good the T1s sound. OK, they're not quite up there with the 6\8 drivers...but damn close!

 

I've got my JH16 back from JH Audio...although the highs have been tamed a bit,it is only marginal. My 16s seem to be very sensitive to bright tracks and very easily become sibilant, where my other CIEMs dont.

 

Another noticeable change since getting them back is that the Bass is not quite so overpoweringly obvious. Its there, but more subtle....I'd say its closer to the way the bass is implemented in the 13s. I think this may be down to the loss of isolation...the 16s now fit 99% right, but its almost like the shells have become thinner as a lot more external noise is now heard and I have to turn the volume up higher !

<sigh>

post #3498 of 3714
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Originally Posted by kryten123 View Post

 

Never had that happen myself - how loud are you listening?

 

 

I'd agree with most of your description of the 8.A...but I find that the mids are recessed and at times very difficult to hear what is going on, especially if there is a lot going on either side of the mids.

 

 

@Lee730, @Longbowbbs - just curious to understand what you mean by Neutral ?


I consider the 8As vocals more on the neutral side because it generally neither forward or distant. It's pretty much track dependent for me which I consider in reference to the tracks themselves. Keep in mind I do not use the stock mangus cable on the 8As as that did sound too dull for my tastes (not focused enough) and maybe that is why you feel the 8As mids are recessed. The gold cable does make my 8As more on the mid-centric side with vocals being more neutral and the mids being more forward. One reason I also found the Nova N1 to pair really well with it on the Wooduo preset is because it balances out the sound quite nicely giving even more weight to the vocals.


Edited by lee730 - 5/2/13 at 11:47am
post #3499 of 3714
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Originally Posted by kryten123 View Post

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Originally Posted by longbowbbs View Post

 

Compared the the JH16's with their 4 low end drivers, there is no particular emphasis on a frequency level. When I am out and about I love the JH16's and the additional low end punch. However, when I am in a quiet place and doing critical listening, the T1's are a nice counterpoint to the JH16's. Smoother frequency response is sometimes the right choice for the mood or the music.

 

Agreed

 

Now that I have more experience with CIEMs and particularly those with more drivers, I am still stunned by how good the T1s sound. OK, they're not quite up there with the 6\8 drivers...but damn close!

 

I've got my JH16 back from JH Audio...although the highs have been tamed a bit,it is only marginal. My 16s seem to be very sensitive to bright tracks and very easily become sibilant, where my other CIEMs dont.

 

Another noticeable change since getting them back is that the Bass is not quite so overpoweringly obvious. Its there, but more subtle....I'd say its closer to the way the bass is implemented in the 13s. I think this may be down to the loss of isolation...the 16s now fit 99% right, but its almost like the shells have become thinner as a lot more external noise is now heard and I have to turn the volume up higher !

<sigh>

Give them some break in time and they should smooth out. That is what i found at around 100 hours....

post #3500 of 3714
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Originally Posted by goodvibes View Post

 I rechecked your pics and there are 8 drivers. This is your 2 (twfk derivative) mids plus 2tiny  tweets Note that they are perpendicular in placement

 

to the four woofers. 4 seperate sets of dual siamesed drivers.

 

 

 

In the below pic, what you think is a mid is actually the second bass pair and what you have listed as dual tweeters is actually dual mids plus dual tweets.

 

 

 Doesn't help with your unfortunate conundrum but JH was definitely not misleading you or pulling drivers..

 

 

But if what you are saying is true, then each dual bass driver is connected to one bore in my case which means the dual mids and high are sharing the same bore.

post #3501 of 3714
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Originally Posted by kryten123 View Post

 

Never had that happen myself - how loud are you listening?

 

 

It happens with dubstep tracks. How loud I'm not sure in dB but loud enough ( volume maxed on iMac ). I'll try to upload a youtube video.

post #3502 of 3714
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post


I consider the 8As vocals more on the neutral side because it generally neither forward or distant. It's pretty much track dependent for me which I consider in reference to the tracks themselves. Keep in mind I do not use the stock mangus cable on the 8As as that did sound too dull for my tastes (not focused enough) and maybe that is why you feel the 8As mids are recessed. The gold cable does make my 8As more on the mid-centric side with vocals being more neutral and the mids being more forward. One reason I also found the Nova N1 to pair really well with it on the Wooduo preset is because it balances out the sound quite nicely giving even more weight to the vocals.

The vocal and whole mid area is definitely pushed back for me, making the mids quite "congested".

I'm very sceptical of cables....the science doesn't add up for me.

Having said that, I have not had the chance to actually listen to different cables as I cant justify the expense of what seems like pseudo science. However as they say the proof is in the listening and until I can hear the differences for myself (cheaply\for free), I won't spend the money....and have to remain a sceptic

 

 

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Originally Posted by longbowbbs View Post

Give them some break in time and they should smooth out. That is what i found at around 100 hours....


They have hundreds of hours on them

 

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Originally Posted by IA64 View Post

 

It happens with dubstep tracks. How loud I'm not sure in dB but loud enough ( volume maxed on iMac ). I'll try to upload a youtube video.

 

Haven't really listened to any dubstep myself (unless Thieverry Corporation are dubstep?)

My go to bass track is Massive Attack - Angel and that has always sounded "sturdy" without being bloated or boomy on my JH16

post #3503 of 3714
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Originally Posted by kryten123 View Post

 

 

 

 

Haven't really listened to any dubstep myself (unless Thieverry Corporation are dubstep?)

My go to bass track is Massive Attack - Angel and that has always sounded "sturdy" without being bloated or boomy on my JH16

 

 

Massive attack are lovely. 

 

Try to play a 30-40Hz tone you can tell if they distort.

post #3504 of 3714
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Originally Posted by IA64 View Post

 

 

But if what you are saying is true, then each dual bass driver is connected to one bore in my case which means the dual mids and high are sharing the same bore.

So? It may be how it's always been done and how the 13 was done before Freq phase.

 

High amplitude sine waves are dangerous. At the same V setting the jh16 is pulling twice the current at 30hz and is playing almost 6 db louder than your 535. It's probably a dangerous level and amplifier distortion on sources you have pointed to as not being suitable, which would be 6db more noticeable as well. You don't like them. More likely user error on driver count and distortion than anything wrong with them. I've clearly pointed to the obvious 8 drivers yet you still refuse to accept the obvious. Sell them and move on. It's perfectly fine no to like them but this other nonsense should stop. Good luck with your next set.


Edited by goodvibes - 5/3/13 at 8:12am
post #3505 of 3714
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Originally Posted by goodvibes View Post

So? It may be how it's always been done and how the 13 was done before Freq phase.

 

High amplitude sine waves are dangerous. At the same V setting the jh16 is pulling twice the current at 30hz and is playing almost 6 db louder than your 535. It's probably a dangerous level and amplifier distortion on sources you have pointed to as not being suitable, which would be 6db more noticeable as well. You don't like them. More likely user error on driver count and distortion than anything wrong with them. I've clearly pointed to the obvious 8 drivers yet you still refuse to accept the obvious. Sell them and move on. It's perfectly fine no to like them but this other nonsense should stop. Good luck with your next set.

 

 

Where have you seen a non sense in my posts so far ?  on the internet this is how the JH16 looks like which is far from what I have .

 

 

 

I have the 1, 2 and 3. I don't have a 4th.  I can clearly see 8 drivers in the picture. I would like other JH16 owners to share their finding. I have mailed JHA but haven't gotten an answer so I better have a solid proof before mailing them again.

post #3506 of 3714

They changed the position of the drivers with the new FP models for better group delay. Expand this pick and you'll see the freqphase has you driver position and your example above has the previous versions. One on the right is the old version. I clearly pointed at 8 drivers but you simply refuse to accept it.


Edited by goodvibes - 5/3/13 at 3:21pm
post #3507 of 3714
wow this rambling about 6drivers jh16 still going on.... guess its time to unsub this thread
post #3508 of 3714

There is another JH16 thread...

post #3509 of 3714
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Originally Posted by longbowbbs View Post

There is another JH16 thread...

 

yea just about to hop on to that thread instead
post #3510 of 3714

Guys, I own today some weston ES3X, and I am quite pleased with them, but... I am tempted to give  the JH16 FreqPhase a try very_evil_smiley.gif.

 

-> Do you believe that it will be a substantial upgrade in sound quality ?  Especialy, can I expect a "out of the head" sound closer to a "full size headphone" soundstage ?

 

-> I am also tempted by the JH-3A/JH16 FreqPhase combo, but... now with the JH16 FreqPhase technology, does the JH-3A still bring a real advantage to the JH16 ?  Or will a high end portable amp finally be a better solution ? (I have a CEntrance HiFi-M8 ordered)

 

- If buy the JH-3A/JH16 FreqPhase combo, when I use the Adapter (8pin to 3.5mm) to use the JH16 IEM  WITHOUT the JH-3A amp , will the JH16 IEM behave exactly as a "NON Combo" JH-16 IEM ?  In other words, besides the cable/plug, is the JH16 IEM shipped with the JH-3A/JH16 FreqPhase combo the same than the JH16 IEM shipped stand alone ? 

 

- aside question : Besides the price difference, is the JH-16 always a better solution than the JH-13 or are there some musics or some situation where I will be better with a JH-13 than a JH-16 ?  (I am not a  bass head - I listen mostly to Pop, Rock, female voice, piano...)

 

thanks in advance for all your answers

 

bertrand

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