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post #3046 of 4437

In my system the TS BGRP 6sn7 are kind of lifeless. Still better than the "cheap" ones.  But given there price I surely expected more.  My only cheap tube that sounds good is a Lansdale 7n7.  Cost me lest than 20.00 for a pair.  Also Mullard ECC32 sounds average for the price, while their ECC35 sounds better to my ears.  All this is on my current amp.  Can not wait to try them with the Cavalli Liquid Glass.

post #3047 of 4437

To me, so far I have not found anything better sounding than a expensive 1940's Sylvania VT-231 military spec'd tube (part of the 'GT' suffix line of the 6SN7 series). Amp > my modded DV336SE. Have yet to try it in my Crack though. 

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Originally Posted by dminches View Post

Absolutely.  And one's expectations have a big effect too.

 

Indeed, can even cloud judgment!

 

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Originally Posted by Silent One View Post

When my TS-BGRP's arrived, my expectations were HUGE. Nearly an hour went by before I realized it wasn't going to cook me dinner. ph34r.gif

 

I had huge expectations from some tubes which were  never fulfilled.

One of them is the Swedish Standard 33S30, very rare and collectible but doesn't sound $$$ better than some others.

 

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Originally Posted by Xcalibur255 View Post

People who find favorites amongst the cheap tubes are the lucky ones.  Better to find happiness for $5 than for $500.

 

This is the state of Nirvana.

It's in the human nature never to be satisfied, and I am very guilty.

 

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Originally Posted by Sid-Fi View Post

From my limited observations on my setup, I think the true strength of the TS BGRP is how it doesn't seem to do anything wrong. It is very well balanced, nuetral, and resolving. Because of that, I can see how it might lack an initial "wow" factor like my RCA VT 231 smoke glass can have. However, over the long run, it seems that not doing anything wrong is much harder to find and much more important to long-term enjoyment than being amazing in a few areas, but having noticable weaknesses in others.

 

 

To me the fact that a tube excels in one area is what makes some tubes so exceptional and magical.

post #3049 of 4437

When I first brought the TS-BGRP's in, I had issues upstream on the digital side. Other tube pairings masked the timing and reflection issues I was having. Perhaps, I should offer that nothing wrong really stood out or leaped out at me. 

 

For whatever reason, the USAF-596/TS-BGRP pairing was the first pairing to sound noticeably wrong. eek.gif Swapped in the EML Glass, things improved... a lot. Then paired the EML with the Ray 6SN7W's, things are still fine. Swapped  the Mighty 596 back in with the Rays, no problem. Only when the USAF-596/TS-BGRP's  became dance partners, did the wheels come clean off the bus!

 

After consulting with Steve (Empirical Audio), I took his advice to change the length of my digital cable. Problem solved with the premium pairing. But all other pairings weren't noticeable. I also kept both cables for about three months and once a month I'd take the new cable out just to check on things - the new cable stays. ksc75smile.gif

 

Further, the previous cable was new, and the same model just shorter in length than the newest one. So, it was this experience on day one, that nearly led me to list them that same night. It took three weeks to resolve things - Xcalibur255 kept me from pulling the trigger. I almost blew 'em out the door for 0.99 cents each!!!

 

Ah....but that first session when things were right. wink.gif I was all alone with Astrud Gilberto, Angela Bofill and Phyllis Hyman, listening sweetly as the world turned outside the listening room. 


Edited by Silent One - 12/15/12 at 3:53am
post #3050 of 4437
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Originally Posted by rosgr63 View Post

Nice tube and better sounding than the RCA 5692 IMHO.

 

Your system configuration/synergy and personal preferences have a lot to do with which tube is best for you.

It's true that it is about my personal preferences but one has to ask for help because one doesn't know what tube would be good for one's setup. The one is me and I have read the reference thread of 6SN7 many times and I know how they sound but I have no idea which one would be good for my setup, it's mainly the V-shaped headphones that make the decision hard for me.

post #3051 of 4437
Tubes are just like all other gear. We all have different predilections !!! I've never thought the RCA Red-base 5692 was a particularly good sounding tube, for example. I like the grey-glass RCA much, much better. And I think the TS BGRP are absolutely wonderful.
post #3052 of 4437
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I feel exactly the same Rob, that's why I thought the 33S30 were far too expensive for a 5692 type of sound.

 

Then again the RCA 5692 were made by GE and I don't think GE ever made any nice 6SN7's.

post #3053 of 4437
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Originally Posted by NoMatterWhat View Post

It's true that it is about my personal preferences but one has to ask for help because one doesn't know what tube would be good for one's setup. The one is me and I have read the reference thread of 6SN7 many times and I know how they sound but I have no idea which one would be good for my setup, it's mainly the V-shaped headphones that make the decision hard for me.

 

 

If you are looking to boost the mids I would try an ECC33 or ECC32 if your amp can handle it.

Be careful the ECC32 draws a higher heater current than a 6SN7 they are not equivalent, best check with your amp maker first.

post #3054 of 4437

Uh, I don't know I have La Figaro 336C, I think it's almost the same as DarkVoice 336i, anyone could help there who owned any of them ? 
It's not like with current setup I lack midrange but what tube can I buy for V-shaped headphones if not a midrange tube,I really like good tight and deep bass though.
If you are open to share a bit of knowledge with me, could you tell me what is your opinion about Tung-Sol WGT brown base ? 
Why you are not so keen on CBS 5692, are they not worth the price? Could you tell me how they sound because in the reference thread there is a little about it.
The thing is that my power tube (bigger one) is quite good I should say it's Chatham 6AS7G but the front tube is just Raytheon 6SN7GTB, so I'm just looking for an overall improvement, I like the signature that it has now but I believe that I can get more from this setup.
 

post #3055 of 4437
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I don't have a La Figaro or Dark Voice amp so I don't know how these amps sound and my comments may not be valid.

 

I am very open and like to share my experiences with others but I cannot predict how a tube will sound in an amp I don't have.

 

I don't like the presentation of 5692 tubes but the CBS are better sounding than the RCA ones.

There is a black base GE 5692 which sounds like the rest of them.

If you like the 5692 type sound the best are the Swedish Standard 33S30 but they are very expensive.

BTW lots of people like the 5692 sound.

 

The Tung-Sol 6SN7WGT is a great tube, I like it.

 

On the opposite side to the ECC33 is the CCCP Melz 1578 which has a good bass and highs but the mids are flat.

 

I agree you can improve the sound of your amp, but trial and error is necessary.

The GTB family has a good base so you might loose some of that, but the TS 6SN7WGT is worth a try.

post #3056 of 4437

How are the Sophia Electric/Fullmusic 6SN7 tubes?

post #3057 of 4437
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Originally Posted by NoMatterWhat View Post

The thing is that my power tube (bigger one) is quite good I should say it's Chatham 6AS7G but the front tube is just Raytheon 6SN7GTB, so I'm just looking for an overall improvement, I like the signature that it has now but I believe that I can get more from this setup.
 

Your current pairing sounds pretty decent to me.  The Raytheons are good tubes, much better than what came with your amp.

post #3058 of 4437
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Originally Posted by 333jeffery View Post

How are the Sophia Electric/Fullmusic 6SN7 tubes?

 

 

I just received a pair this morning, will let you know when they're sufficiently burned in. 

 

Edit: The fullmusic ones that is

post #3059 of 4437

Have the Sophia Electric ones, ordered them together with a Princess 274B mesh plate. First listen I honestly didn't like them at all. After some hiatus, I tried them again recently (with a slightly different combination) and actually thought they were OK, but nothing particularly outstanding.

 

Maybe some other combination of tubes would bring out their best but frankly when it comes to new/current production tubes, I'll take my pair of Psvane CV181s any day: very punchy, great for rock (most exciting rendition of my favourite Porcupine Tree tracks for example) but sometimes a bit much for other genres where I prefer a mellower selection.

post #3060 of 4437

Someone once said the Sophia/TJs sound like a mouse ear Tung Sol.  That is actually pretty high praise if it is true.  I've been tempted to try one myself, but I'm afraid of kicking off another round of 6SN7 buying when I finally got over the habit.

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