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post #766 of 16802

Thanks, |Joker|.  Just bought the M11+'s off amazon for $53, sounds like a good sound signature for my tastes, great value, and a comfortable pair that'll do well on planes/subway without microphonics that'll drive me nuts.  OK, and I will actually use the remote and mic. 

post #767 of 16802

What are you referring to when you say the er4s need amping to really shine? Are they not worth the purchase without an amp, or do they not get very loud without an amp?

post #768 of 16802
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Originally Posted by Anaxilus 

Sure, it is not hard to drive the M50.  The question is how well they sound driven by a Clip+ or the like.  Half of my IEMs don't get driven properly from it IMO, let alone the M50.  I mean lets be real about driving 40-50mm drivers from certain DAPs.  It would certainly be expected that an IEM should sound better from an underpowered source than a full sized headphone.  I only mentioned because its not at all how the M50 sounds to me or many others.

 

Agreed, the M50 is not as easily driven as many people make it out to be - it's about mid-spectrum as far as DJ cans go - many are harder to drive but quite a few benefit less from amping or don't benefit at all. Running them through a proper portable amp makes for a noticeable jump in sq.


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Originally Posted by JoetheArachnid View Post

I've just noticed something odd... the CK10 are £249.99 in the UK, haven't seen anyone selling locally below that. The CK100, only available through import, come to ~ $430, which is ~£275. So if for some reason you didn't want to save £50+ by buying the CK10 from somewhere outside of the UK, there's only a £25 discrepancy between the two.

This is bad, I'm suddenly considering that I might possibly afford the CK100 one day. Stupid UK prices...

 

If that wasn't so much money I'd say having the choice between the CK10 and CK100 is a good thing. Import CK10s should be priced more reasonably though...



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Originally Posted by mjm0 View Post

Thanks, |Joker|.  Just bought the M11+'s off amazon for $53, sounds like a good sound signature for my tastes, great value, and a comfortable pair that'll do well on planes/subway without microphonics that'll drive me nuts.  OK, and I will actually use the remote and mic. 


Glad you found the thread useful... I hope you picked up the M11P+ if you intend to use the mic as the M11+ is just an earphone.



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Originally Posted by legodt View Post

What are you referring to when you say the er4s need amping to really shine? Are they not worth the purchase without an amp, or do they not get very loud without an amp?


A bit of both, really. Not that the ER4S doesn't sound good without an amp but there is an improvement, and won't you always wonder 'what if'? 

 

As for loudness, they should get loud enough with most portable players but will require quite a bit more volume than the majority of in-ears. I think with the Sansa Fuze the ER4S required about 65-75% volume, as opposed to 20-30% for most earphones.

post #769 of 16802

Base on what others have comment, DBA sound is more laid back while Hje900 is more forward?
 

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Originally Posted by sweetguy5 

I would like to ask you TS, between HJE900 and DBA 002, which is a better at which aspect? Thanks!


The DBA-02 is 'better' at everything except bass quantity, soundstage depth, and timbre reproduction. And of course build quality.

 

 

 

post #770 of 16802

Just showing my respect for someone who had the arse to review 105 iems.

post #771 of 16802
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Originally Posted by Katun View Post

Okay, okay, I admit it! So I do like them!

 

I actually was comparing them to all my headphones today, and they sound better than all of them, including the M50. They absolutely stomp my 9850, which is a good thing. They sound very, very thick, and have a nice, rich, full sound with excellent bass. They sound wonderful (not jaw dropping, but wonderful) but that isn't the problem...

 

My absolute biggest problem is the fitting. I really cannot get a consistent fit with any of the 17 tips! It's really bothering me, because it's really frustrating. I guess I should start buying a bunch of different "fit kits" to see which eartip is best for me. Obviously, Monster's tips don't work for me. Maybe some Sony Hybrids, a MEelec fit kit, or even a Shure fit kit? I'm not sure, but all I know is I like the sound. It's the fit that is really irritating me.

 

Anyone recommend a tip other than the Monster brand? I am willing to buy all different kinds just to find one that works for me.



I actually like my coppers more than my M50s (well, I sold them just recently) but from my memory, almost everything about the coppers trumps the M50s , expecially the overall smoothness

post #772 of 16802

Yes, M11P+ :)

I'll be sure to come baxk and offer my feedback on them; not sure what thoughts are on burn-in for them (as this is a new concept for me -- and yes ive tried to read up on the pro/con-troversy here!)

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Originally Posted by sweetguy5 View Post

Base on what others have comment, DBA sound is more laid back while Hje900 is more forward?

 

I don't really think the DBA sounds laid-back unless you're comparing it directly to something that's very aggressive. In terms of energy and the way notes are presented, I'd say the HJE900 is softer than the DBA-02 is so it really depends on how you gauge an earphone's aggressiveness. 

 


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Just showing my respect for someone who had the arse to review 105 iems.


Thanks, appreciated 
 

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I'll be sure to come baxk and offer my feedback on them; not sure what thoughts are on burn-in for them (as this is a new concept for me -- and yes ive tried to read up on the pro/con-troversy here!)


Well, they'll end up burned-in whether you like it or not. Just make sure to reserve impressions until you've gone through at least a few dozen listening hours.

post #774 of 16802
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Burn-in should definitely help a little but you may have been expecting a bit too much from $20 in-ears - they will never be as smooth as portapros. Still, the treble should be quite prominent, almost excessive. Make sure that you have a good seal - the M9s are very sensitive to insertion depth and you may want to try other tips on them. 


I've left these burning for about 4 days straight with a little in ear time each night. Burn in has certainly helped make them listenable, but they still sound like someone put a ceiling on the sound like a crossover at 8KHz or something, and mids are still very recessed. It's really bad. Due to my ears these are the only tips that work (smallest flange left, double flange right). I tried a foam on left and it was too large. I tried small flange left and foam right and it sounded weird so I went back to what I found originally and it sounds balanced and is extremely comfortable, a surprise to say the least.

 

I don't get your comment about expecting too much. The price difference between the M9 and the PortaPros is only $5.

 

edit: After perusing some graphs on headroom I've come up with a close match to what I'm hearing from the M9s, the Sleek Audio SA1. Take the SA1 and make the mids dip earlier to about the same valley. The spike before 10k is accurate to what I'm hearing then a severe drop from there. The HD600 is my main normal can and is used for reference. Speaking of, does anyone have a frequency response chart for the M9s? I looked and couldn't find one. Also included is the PortaPros which share similar pathing as the HD600, which is probably why I like them so much. Portapros are definitely on the dark side and the treble could use some sparkle, but the flow from the high bass peak to the upper mids transitioning to the highs is much smoother and not recessed much.

 

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Dunno, to me it just sounds like someone put a clothes iron on the frequency between about 600 and 4k the lifted it to 8k then smashed it to oblivion. The upper mids and lower highs just sound 1 dimensional like everything is compressed so much it bleeds together to make one of the worst mid to high transitions I've ever heard.


Edited by Maxvla - 9/16/10 at 12:39am
post #775 of 16802

^Try listening to them at lower volumes. If they're anything like the M6, they sound pretty bad at mid to high volumes. Also, they're just a pair of budget IEMs after all, and won't be as good as a portable set of headphones at the same pricepoint. They just can't compete with the larger, better drivers. My M6, for example, though it's priced higher is only at about the same level of SQ as my ksc75 (though clearly they have different sound signatures). At just about any pricepoint, IEMs will typically sound comparatively worse than similarly priced fullsize and portable headphones. That's the price you pay for the small size and added portability.

post #776 of 16802

The effects are still present at lower volumes. Perhaps not as large a problem, but at this volume I can't even enjoy the music properly. (~20% iPod Touch 4G)

 

I guess the bright side of my getting the M9s is that I now know that IEMs can actually sound good. There are definitely things about these that I did not expect (in a positive way) including a great soundstage (much wider and deeper than the Portapros.. not a contest at all), superior imaging, and full and fairly well controlled bass. The Q-Jays I owned before sounded awful like I had a boombox strapped to my ear. They didn't have the recessed mids like these do, but the sound was so 1 dimensional and it had zero sound stage that I got rid of them at my earliest convenience, while fighting with returning them after falling apart with extremely light use (1-2 hours a week). I had owned some $50-75 Shures many years ago, but they didn't even begin to fit so I sent them back without even really hearing them.

 

I might have to try something in the JH line at some point.


Edited by Maxvla - 9/16/10 at 1:05am
post #777 of 16802
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JXK is right - at the very low end IEMs just don't sound as good as portables dollar for dollar. I think you'd have to go to the Soundmagic PL50 / ViSang level to match the SQ of the PortaPros. Funny that you picked the SA1 though - it's definitely clear on the other side of the spectrum from the M9 in some aspects - smooth almost to the point of glossing over detail and very in-your-head sounding.

 

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The effects are still present at lower volumes. Perhaps not as large a problem, but at this volume I can't even enjoy the music properly. (~20% iPod Touch 4G)

 

I guess the bright side of my getting the M9s is that I now know that IEMs can actually sound good. There are definitely things about these that I did not expect (in a positive way) including a great soundstage (much wider and deeper than the Portapros.. not a contest at all), superior imaging, and full and fairly well controlled bass. The Q-Jays I owned before sounded awful like I had a boombox strapped to my ear. They didn't have the recessed mids like these do, but the sound was so 1 dimensional and it had zero sound stage that I got rid of them at my earliest convenience, while fighting with returning them after falling apart with extremely light use (1-2 hours a week). I had owned some $50-75 Shures many years ago, but they didn't even begin to fit so I sent them back without even really hearing them.

 

I might have to try something in the JH line at some point.


Well... the JH line is a bit of a jump - I hope the Meelecs didn't turn you off of mid-range in-ears (as they really aren't even mid-fi.) The M9 is a fairly polarizing in-ear. It does a lot of things much better than a $20 earphone should but the balance is definitely love-it-or-hate it. I get the feeling you'd like one of the ViSang earphones (R02 or even R01). I have a frequency graph somewhere and it looks a lot like the PortaPros.

post #778 of 16802
I'll think about getting more low end IEMs, but I mainly got these to be a smaller, disposable, version of my Portapros. While they don't really match, they are good enough for the purpose. I suppose I was expecting more considering the hype.

As for my consideration of JH products, I'm participating in a loaner program for the new Hifiman HE-6 so I'm not really looking towards low or mid-fi at the moment. I'm looking for a top end experience that I previously thought was unavailable and uncomfortable (for me) in IEM form. We'll see how things play out. Thanks for your input.
post #779 of 16802
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Added three Earsquake earphones - the CRO, Fish, and SHA. 

 

Also updated the planned review list. Terrifying.

post #780 of 16802

woah...quite a lot planned reviews

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