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post #7036 of 16802

Meelec and Frogbeats 

post #7037 of 16802
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post

 

Yes, it is also my preferred way of wearing them as indicated by the boldface in the original review:

 

 

one last question, how much to the astrotec sticks out the ear when you wear them (over the ear), because in this picture: http://chinamall.c.yimg.jp/img03.taobaocdn.com/imgextra/i3/24086955/T2Cr5oXgtaXXXXXXXX_!!24086955.jpg

 

they stick out A LOT!!

post #7038 of 16802
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Originally Posted by PakoBoy View Post

 

one last question, how much to the astrotec sticks out the ear when you wear them (over the ear), because in this picture: http://chinamall.c.yimg.jp/img03.taobaocdn.com/imgextra/i3/24086955/T2Cr5oXgtaXXXXXXXX_!!24086955.jpg

 

they stick out A LOT!!

 

The model in the picture is a tiny Asian woman with tiny ears.  Not representative.

 

Unless you are in fact a >5 foot tall Asian woman, at which point you may have a problem.

post #7039 of 16802
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Originally Posted by jekostas View Post

 

The model in the picture is a tiny Asian woman with tiny ears.  Not representative.

 

Unless you are in fact a >5 foot tall Asian woman, at which point you may have a problem.

well i am a asian but not a women neither 5 feet tall :P


Edited by PakoBoy - 5/24/12 at 2:11pm
post #7040 of 16802

There's something weird about the Xears online store...

no matter which product i chose, when i put in the coupon

that Joker gracefully shared with us here, the phone will now

cost 30 euros. is this a bug??

post #7041 of 16802

Hey Joker, I see that in your MEElectronics M6 review that the memory wire can be removed "with a bit of knife work." Could you explain to me how you removed your, the memory wire is really annoying and doesn't conform to my ears well.

post #7042 of 16802
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by selferinoz View Post

The largest that i have is currently the Beta's(v2), the housing size is ok, wearing it straight down with no problems, is the DDM gonna be bigger than it or its the same/almost as the size of my beta's?

 

The DDM is a bit bigger than the Betas and also fits in the ear differently. 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Orel View Post

So GR06 is the more balanced earphone? I'm looking for a balanced sound, I just don't want the bass overpowering, since I don't really need it :)

I currently have the Q350 so I'm looking for an upgrade. So you would say the VSonic GR06 is the better choice, also for my genres of choice?

Edit: Would you suggest me an other earphone altogether?

 

The GR06 is far from flat in response but on the whole more balanced than the A151, which rolls off at either end. I haven't heard the Q350 but I have a K330 which is decent but not great. Based on the K330 the GR06 should be better all around.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Gryphus0204 View Post

Joker, what do you think of the stock styrofoam eartips of the GR06? I find that it increase bass by a significant amount but i think the accuracy and and instrument seperation is lost there. Is this just my speculation? Correct me if I'm wrong please. And if so is there a foam tip that increases both bass and clarity? Comply foams maybe? Or monster gel foam? Or olive shures?

 

I can't really get a seal with those tips. You would have to decore olives to fit them on the GR06 and I didn't really like the way my Complys sounded compared to silicone. Again, could be a fit issue.

 

 

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Originally Posted by mondrin View Post

I'm so very glad I found this forum and this wonderful set of reviews.  Hat's off to those taking the time to gather such great information.  Question for you all, do many of you buy several IEM's, testing them and return the ones you don't like?  I've done this long ago (long long ago) and am back in need of new headphones and hoping to move into the IEM world from my earbuds.  My wife has the Klipsch S4's and I do not find them to my liking.  mid bass and low mid's seem muddy and the treble is harsh.  I still prefer my old and dying sony mdr-e848 earbuds.  Sure they have no isolation and lack a lot of clarity, but I do like the overall balance of sound.  I've read through the reviews several times on this site (which rocks) and beleive I have no chance of just magically picking the right set the first time.  I'm not even sure what category I prefer but do know I must stay below $100.

 

Are there any good sites that allow returns of IEM's?

 

 

A lot of small retailers will allow you to do so if you buy direct - MEElec is a good example. You'd have to read up on or ask about the return policy ahead of time, though. 

 

The S4 is not a great IEM - for $100 I would start off with something on a higher SQ tier but also with a 'safe' sound signature, like an Xcape IE or Shure SE215, and go from there.

 

 

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Originally Posted by PakoBoy View Post

 

one last question, how much to the astrotec sticks out the ear when you wear them (over the ear), because in this picture: http://chinamall.c.yimg.jp/img03.taobaocdn.com/imgextra/i3/24086955/T2Cr5oXgtaXXXXXXXX_!!24086955.jpg

 

they stick out A LOT!!

 

 

Not as much as in that photo but more than the average IEM since the housings are elongated. For me, with single-flange tips and a good seal, they stick out just enough to allow the strain relief and cable to clear the bottom of my outer ear.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Amitl View Post

There's something weird about the Xears online store...

no matter which product i chose, when i put in the coupon

that Joker gracefully shared with us here, the phone will now

cost 30 euros. is this a bug??

 

I think that's the way it's always worked - the coupon works for all items. 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Extra View Post

Hey Joker, I see that in your MEElectronics M6 review that the memory wire can be removed "with a bit of knife work." Could you explain to me how you removed your, the memory wire is really annoying and doesn't conform to my ears well.

 

I used manicure scissors to carefully cut up through the rubber sheath that covers the memory wire (but not through the cable itself!). Then, once the actual wire was exposed enough, I pulled it out with a plier and then trimmed the sheath neatly around 1/8" from the strain relief. It's around 5 mins of careful labor - just make sure not to disturb the cable.

post #7043 of 16802
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Originally Posted by PakoBoy View Post

where did you buy it? can you give the link

 

and can the astrotec be worn over the ear??


Here you go, You can thank me later for him selling them on Ebay now. He had no plans too But I sent him some Cash and he went out and bought me a pair on his spare time...Talk about being a great seller......

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Astrotec-AM-90-Dynamic-Unit-In-Ear-High-Quality-Earphone-sliver-color-/290717445227?pt=US_Headphones&hash=item43b01c2c6b

post #7044 of 16802
Thread Starter 

Added Alclair Reference

 

 

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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post

(1B7) Alclair Reference

Alclair Reference 400x300.jpg
Reviewed May 2012

Details: Triple-driver acrylic custom from MN-based Alclair
Current Price $499 from alclair.com
Specs: Driver: Triple BA | Imp: 27Ω | Sens: 105 dB | Freq: N/A | Cable: 4.2' L-plug
Nozzle Size: N/A | Preferred tips: N/A
Wear Style: Over-the-ear

Accessories (3.5/5) – Cleaning tool, cleaning cloth, and hard-shelled clamshell carrying case
Build Quality (5/5) – The reference is a two-way, triple-driver monitor with dual low drivers – a setup similar to the 1964EARS 1964-T and several universal-fit monitors. The molding quality is very good, with clean shells and very clear faceplates. The excellent finish around the nozzles and cable connectors sets the Reference apart from my 1964EARS and Kozee customs. The cable uses a recessed Westone-style connector.
Isolation (4.5/5) – The isolation provided by the fitted acrylic shells is excellent -slightly below what the higher-end Etymotic Research universal-fit earphones are capable of with foam or tri-flange tips but higher than that of the ergonomic monitors from Westone and EarSonics
Microphonics (5/5) - Pretty much nonexistent as with all of the custom monitors I’ve tried
Comfort (5/5) – The nozzles of my Reference were cut to a medium length – a bit longer than those of my Kozees and 1964s but nowhere near my Spiral Ear 3-way. As with all customs, putting them in will require a bit of getting used to for first-time users but the twisting motion eventually becomes second nature. The acrylic shells are hard but not in the least uncomfortable when fitted correctly. If the earphones remain uncomfortable after an initial break-in period, a refit is probably a good idea. There is added cost with shipping the monitors back and, if necessary, getting new impressions but on the whole a perfect fit is well worth the trouble

Sound (9.6/10) – The Alclair Reference utilizes a two-way, triple-BA setup with dual low drivers, much like that of the 1964EARS 1964-T. Its signature, however, is very different from the mid-focused sound of the 1964s. The Alclair pursues a more balanced response with some treble emphasis and a more laid-back presentation. At the same time the dual woofers give the sound a warm tone and fullness, making the Alclair Reference one earphone that can easily be enjoyed for casual listening as well as professional use.

The bass of the earphones is detailed and controlled, with good note thickness and minimal bleed. The low end is accurate, but impactful. It is crisper and more punchy than that of the Earsonics SM3 and similar in power but better-textured compared to a black-filtered Phonak PFE 232. Bass depth is also good - better than with the CTM-200 and 1964-T but not quite up there with the pricier UM Miracle, Spiral Ear 3-way, and AKG K3003. The Alclair Reference doesn’t produce a lot of sub-bass rumble but it sounds very clean and resolving across the range, as a good monitor should. It beats out the K3003 in clarity and control and produces a fuller, more realistic sound than the leaner CTM-200 – a good balance in my book.

The midrange of the Reference is balanced very well with the bass, making the Phonak PFE 232 sound slightly mid-recessed in comparison. It is warmed up a little by the bass and very well-detailed. Detail levels are higher than with the AKG K3003 and Spiral Ear 3-way and lag just behind the UM Miracle. The note presentation is on the analytical side but not overly so – the Reference is noticeably thicker-sounding than the CTM-200 as well as TWFK-based monitors such as the Fischer Audio DBA-02. The result is clarity worthy of a reference product without a drop in note weight and overall realism.

Things start to get a little complicated moving up from the midrange – the upper mids and lower treble of the Reference seem to be somewhat emphasized, likely tuned that way to give a boost to vocal clarity. There is a bit of treble unevenness, causing the Reference to sound a touch ‘hot’ with some tracks in a manner reminiscent of the VSonic GR07 and the Phonak PFE 232. The treble peaks of the PFE 232 come in a little higher up but are also slightly stronger, making the Reference less fatiguing for long-term listening, but I wouldn’t recommend either to those who generally prefer smooth and laid-back highs. On the upside, there is plenty of energy at the top, which can’t be said for the pricier Spiral Ear 3-way. Treble extension is good as well – not quite on-par with the Miracle or AKG K3003 but superior to the CTM-200 and vastly better than the 1964-T.

Presentation is a strong suit of the Reference – the soundstage is nice and spacious, with width similar to that of the CTM-200 but better depth and layering. It doesn’t have the best on-center feel – the AKG K3003 and Earsonics SM3 both do better when it comes to portraying elements that are up close but neither can match the sheer size of the Alclair’s soundstage. Instrument separation is also excellent and the Reference has good dynamics for a BA-based earphone. Overall coherence is also impressive, making obvious the slightly mismatched BA-dynamic sound of the AKG K3003 and the overly-mid-centric tuning of the 1964-T’s crossover.

Value (9/10) – Starting at $499, the Alclair Reference is a mid-level custom monitor that combines a versatile sound signature with the usual isolation, fit, and customization options of a full-shell custom monitor. The finish is nothing short of excellent and the standard recessed cable sockets make me less apprehensive of long-term cable durability, though some aftermarket cables may be more difficult to fit. More importantly, the sound signature of the Reference should make it the best crowd pleaser among all of the mid-level customs I’ve heard - the triple-BA setup produces a slightly warm, spacious, and energetic sound, an excellent compromise between accuracy and musicality and a potential upgrade to some very popular universals such as the VSonic GR07.

Pros: Great build quality; comfort of a custom monitor; slightly warm sound with good clarity, detail, and space; excellent bass & midrange quality
Cons: Treble may be hot for some

post #7045 of 16802

Nice Joker, that looks like a serious price/performance winner and potential giant slayer.  

 

Does it have that absolute crystal like clarity of the DBA mk1?  Which is smoother or less hot in the troubled treble areas?


Edited by Anaxilus - 5/25/12 at 1:24am
post #7046 of 16802

Great review, ljokerl! These look very promising... beerchug.gif

post #7047 of 16802

hi joker. i've ever asked you what is the downgrade of tandem, and your answer is xcape.
now i have bought xcape and you are right xcape sounds similar enough with tandem eventhough from my memory, tandem sounds smoother than xcape. i was really impressed. thanks joker :)


Edited by luc shrine - 5/25/12 at 2:00am
post #7048 of 16802

Sounds like the Alclair Reference is for me. bigsmile_face.gif

post #7049 of 16802

The Alclair Reference sounds like a big step up from the FXT90, but with heavier treble and an analytical midrange.

post #7050 of 16802
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Anaxilus View Post

Nice Joker, that looks like a serious price/performance winner and potential giant slayer.  

 

Does it have that absolute crystal like clarity of the DBA mk1?  Which is smoother or less hot in the troubled treble areas?

 

Yes, the clarity is very good but I would say the Reference is about as hot as a GR07 or PFE 232. The DBA-02 is definitely not treble-light but I've never had a problem with its treble.

 

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Originally Posted by putente View Post

Great review, ljokerl! These look very promising... beerchug.gif

 

Thanks!

 

 

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Originally Posted by luc shrine View Post

hi joker. i've ever asked you what is the downgrade of tandem, and your answer is xcape.
now i have bought xcape and you are right xcape sounds similar enough with tandem eventhough from my memory, tandem sounds smoother than xcape. i was really impressed. thanks joker :)

 

I would agree there, the Tandem is smoother than just about anything. Glad they're close enough!

 

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Originally Posted by Niyologist View Post

The Alclair Reference sounds like a big step up from the FXT90, but with heavier treble and an analytical midrange.

 

I think that's a fair conclusion.

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