pretty easy when you do a spreadsheet and the line counts don't add up. I thought I had just missed one.
Oh, and this very useful thread has led to me buying a set of visang R02. Very excited. Now I am looking at new sources. I like my Zune but dont love it.
Yeah, the spreadsheet would work for keeping track if I didn't have in there earphones that haven't been added to the thread yet . Hope you like the R02! Looks like you did a good job of reading the table as they are the earphone I'd rate highest in value among the budget sets.
|joker| - great reviews as usual. I agree with most of your impressions as well, but I've maybe heard 15-20 of the IEM you've reviewed. I just want to interject my thoughts on a couple of things here.
After listening to the UM3X with removable cable for the past week non-stop, I'd have to say that I think the bass quality and transparency is a little better than what I read in your descriptions. But I understand that you must not think those areas are actually bad when you gave them a sonic score of 9.75/10. I also think the UM3X with removable cable is a better value than the ones you reviewed since it does come with the full tip fit-kit for only $20-25 more. I posted a UM3X review in the product section recently this week as well.
Also, with the Monster Turbine Pro Gold Vs the Copper I might actually prefer the Gold over the Copper. While treble and detail was improved over the Gold, I didn't like the decrease in bass vs the Gold. I didn't think the UM3X were any more forward sounding than the Copper, but to me the UM3X were more transparent and realistic sounding. The Copper also seemed to have a very slight closed headphone sound or some other coloration that my Gold don't have, and this hurt their transparency for me.
So I think the 9.75/10 you gave the UM3X is deserved, and they were better than the Copper to me. But I might have scored the the Copper slightly lower than you did, because even though the Copper were more detailed and balanced than the Gold I just didn't enjoy them as much as the Gold. (I own the gold and the copper were loaned to me by rawrster, same as you).
In my case I'd go nuts trying to give numerical scores to the reviewed gear, because two or three IEM could have the same score but sound somewhat different and appeal to different people. It's easier for me to rank things in order of my "personal preference", but I have gotten away from putting things on a scale of 1-10 these days. I think that your descriptions of the IEM sound is the most helpful part, and I would hate to see someone pass up a 9.25 IEM in favor of a 9.5 without reading the actual review which is the best part.
Keep up the good work!
Thanks for your thoughts. I really hope it doesn't sound like I didn't like the bass of the UM3X - I did. I have almost no technical issues with the sound of the UM3X - it's the presentation I don't like. And yeah, the removable-cord UM3X would probably have scored higher. Hopefully those who are considering buying the removable-cord ones can make the appropriate mental substitution (or use idvsego's handy chart).
Also I think I mentioned that I like the Gold more than the Copper if not in the review, then from one of the early posts after it was posted. To me the Coppers sound like they're trying too hard but I really try to keep personal preferences out of it, which is why the Coppers scored higher.
As for your last thought, I really can't stress that enough. It even says so right under the table but I don't think anyone reads that part.
That explains it. Well at least the math works out now.
Small note, feel free to remove my edits if you feel they are off. In the spreadsheet I did up isolation on the IE8 by 1 and lower it's price to $350. I always felt the isolation is actually quite good on them just as long as you have a good seal. I will agree that the stock tips aren't necessarily the best. I ran a small bi-flange, and I didn't have much use for most of the others. If I were to own a pair in the future for some reason I might plop on a Comply T-500 tip or a decored Olive instead. When sealed well, they did block out sounds well. I know I read a lot of comments about this even before I owned a pair and was aware of what people said as I tested them. I found isolation to be on par, but I so seldom maintained a good seal. With the heavy bass, you never really notice it loosening up. Even a leaky fit still has good bass with them. They were on par with others in my eyes, but feel free to rank as you see fit. I also felt the $350 price tag was much better. I saw the IE8 for $350 all the time and deals seem to pop up quite often for them sold sub $300, sometimes as low as $240 new. For day to day, I think something in the $300 to $350 range is more fitting in terms of available price.
I also upped the build quality on the OK1. For as cheap as it looks, the material choices and build quality is actually quite good. It's not something I'd notice on casual use, but they are smartly built. Mind you I've owned them for almost 2 years now and as a main product I've used on a daily basis. They still look like new. I know you picked on the cord some, but two years, no case, and just stuffing them in pockets, bags, or burying them under piles of crap on my deck has done nothing to them. No nicks, no memory/kinks/twists, nothing. For as budget level as they look, the materials were picked smartly. I know I'm nitpicking.
I also noticed my remarks didn't move with the earphones, so where my comments are no longer correlates to which earphone I was commenting about.
Ah yes, the shifted edits. I had some fun trying to figure out where each one belongs. I don't have a problem with them but I won't be modifying my review. I still don't see an authorized retailed for the IE8 that consistently sells them at under $399. If you can find one I'll drop the price. I know ecost has them for $240 but it's easier to maintain consistent pricing and consider sales a bonus.
Doesn't your OK1 have electrical tape on the cords? I really don't have a problem with the build personally but you have to agree that for a $230 product it's just not very impressive. Also, I know people who have had a pair of ibuds for 3+ years with nary an issue. I still wouldn't call ibuds well-built, though.