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post #5191 of 16802

Hello Joker,

Do you happen to know of any dynamic+BA custom IEM? Or perhaps just dynamic, to see where they stack against multi-BA designs?

post #5192 of 16802
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Originally Posted by AstralStorm View Post

Hello Joker,

Do you happen to know of any dynamic+BA custom IEM? Or perhaps just dynamic, to see where they stack against multi-BA designs?



UM Merlins.

 

The Future Sonics customs also use solely a dynamic driver IIRC.

post #5193 of 16802
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Originally Posted by lamboman View Post
 
I have a budget of £150, and am wondering what are the most natural sounding headphones I can get. I have an all Linn system at home, with lively but detailed presentation. I'm ideally looking for something similar. I was looking at Ety hf3s but I'm worried that these will be too light bass wise. It is important that the overall sound signature is balanced, not bloated! If the Etys are balanced, rather than bass light, they could be perfect for me!
 
The music will vary, a bit of jazz, acoustic, also some hip-hop (though here I do not want massive bass, I just want tight, clean, balanced presentation!


VSonic GR07, ACS T15, Brainwavz B2/Fischer DBA-02, maybe Fischer SBA-03 if you want to save a bundle. The T15 and B2/DBA-02 don't have significantly more bass than Etys but enough to be considered 'natural' when it comes to bass presence for analytical listeners. The SBA-03 and GR07 have a bit more than that, with the GR07 (with its dynamic driver) offering the most bass body and impact without any of the bloat you will find in cheap dynamic IEMs.

 



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Originally Posted by AstralStorm View Post

Hello Joker,

Do you happen to know of any dynamic+BA custom IEM? Or perhaps just dynamic, to see where they stack against multi-BA designs?



UM Merlin and the Thousand Sound TS842 are the only hybrid customs I've seen reviewed here. I think there's a Rooth hybrid model as well. Future Sonics, Earpower, Wan Xuan all have single dynamic customs. The only one I've heard is a demo of the Merlin.

There are also a couple of hybrid universals out - at least five that I can think of.

post #5194 of 16802

joker, I heard Earsonics SM3 is very 3D. How do the Sony EX1000, Westone 4 and FX700 compare?

 

 

Can you compare:

 

the treble presence and which one has a more extended treble

 

mids details (I actually dont mind since Im even ok with V-shape)

 

bass quantity and quality

 

presentation: which one is more 3D? people say that EX1000 doesn't have a "intimate presentation" and is not like FX700? is that a bad thing?

 


Edited by Mini0510 - 12/17/11 at 10:45am
post #5195 of 16802
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post


VSonic GR07, ACS T15, Brainwavz B2/Fischer DBA-02, maybe Fischer SBA-03 if you want to save a bundle. The T15 and B2/DBA-02 don't have significantly more bass than Etys but enough to be considered 'natural' when it comes to bass presence for analytical listeners. The SBA-03 and GR07 have a bit more than that, with the GR07 (with its dynamic driver) offering the most bass body and impact without any of the bloat you will find in cheap dynamic IEMs.



Thanks for your reply joker! I have actually bought some hf3s just to see what they are like, seeing as I can of course take them back. I'm looking for something that has more impactful bass and slightly more recessed mids in comparison to them. Do your recommendations still stand? Many thanks! :D

post #5196 of 16802

Just received my first ever official customs, the UM Miracle! I wish to thank you again for an excellent write-up, |joker|. I must admit, however, their presentation is unlike any other universal I've owned, and is extremely new and strange to my ears; strange in a good sense, however. I'm just not used to anything like this. I have nothing but absolute praise for the fellas at UM, they nailed the fit right town to a tee. 

post #5197 of 16802

ljokerl and owners of the GR07, how big would be the difference in sound between a GR07 in an iPod nano and with the Fiio E7 (using the line out from the nano)? For those unfamiliar, the E7 has both an amp and a Wolfson Audio DAC.

 

Also, I have about 70 hours of GR07 use. Sibilance is almost a non-issue at this point, but are imaging/soundstage still going improve for the next 70? I feel that all I really need is imaging in complex passages, and extra soundstage would probably help create "islands of air" for the instruments to sit on.

post #5198 of 16802
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Originally Posted by Mini0510 View Post

joker, I heard Earsonics SM3 is very 3D. How do the Sony EX1000, Westone 4 and FX700 compare?

 

 

Can you compare:

 

the treble presence and which one has a more extended treble

 

mids details (I actually dont mind since Im even ok with V-shape)

 

bass quantity and quality

 

presentation: which one is more 3D? people say that EX1000 doesn't have a "intimate presentation" and is not like FX700? is that a bad thing?

 


Aside from customs the SM3 has the most coherent central imaging I've heard. The EX1000 probably has the least (of the top-shelf in-ears). It sounds more like a headphone in that respect. Note that this is not necessarily a bad thing - I'm sure some would prefer, or even be wowed by this sort of presentation from an in-ear. The W4 and FX700 are somewhere in between. i would give the W4 the nod in imaging and FX700 in soundstage size. Both are very good compromises, though.

The EX1000 and FX700 have prominent treble, esp. lower treble. Of the two I would give the nod to the EX1000 in both quantity and smoothness. The W4 is more balanced and the SM3 is more relaxed. You'd have to compare them side by side in treble extension to know for sure - all do pretty good but the SM3 has relaxed treble in the first place so the roll-off it has compounds very quickly.

Detail is high on all of them. Armatures tend to have a dryer note presentation and can resolve a tiny bit better but these two dynamics are very good - I doubt you'll be missing any detail with any of the four.

The FX700 would have the most bass by a margin. EX1000 and SM3 would come second and the W4 would be the most balanced. The EX1000 has, IMO, the best quality bass of all the dynamics I've heard. The SM3 and W4 have very good armature bass, with the SM3 being fuller and warmer. The bass of the FX700 is difficult to compare to the others since there's much more of it. It is very good quality in its own right, though.

 

 



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Thanks for your reply joker! I have actually bought some hf3s just to see what they are like, seeing as I can of course take them back. I'm looking for something that has more impactful bass and slightly more recessed mids in comparison to them. Do your recommendations still stand? Many thanks! :D



The GR07, then. SBA-03 has very aggressive mids (more so than Etys) and the T15 and B2/DBA-02 are just a present as Etys in the midrange, albeit with slightly more bass.



 

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Originally Posted by i2ehan View Post

Just received my first ever official customs, the UM Miracle! I wish to thank you again for an excellent write-up, |joker|. I must admit, however, their presentation is unlike any other universal I've owned, and is extremely new and strange to my ears; strange in a good sense, however. I'm just not used to anything like this. I have nothing but absolute praise for the fellas at UM, they nailed the fit right town to a tee. 


I'm always reminded most of the SM3's presentation but of course the Miracle has a larger stage and differs quite a ways in other respects. I found A:Bing the Miracle with the EX1000 bothered me because the presentations are so different. Glad the fit is good - re-shells are a pain.

 

post #5199 of 16802
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Originally Posted by lukeskymac View Post

ljokerl and owners of the GR07, how big would be the difference in sound between a GR07 in an iPod nano and with the Fiio E7 (using the line out from the nano)? For those unfamiliar, the E7 has both an amp and a Wolfson Audio DAC.

 

Also, I have about 70 hours of GR07 use. Sibilance is almost a non-issue at this point, but are imaging/soundstage still going improve for the next 70? I feel that all I really need is imaging in complex passages, and extra soundstage would probably help create "islands of air" for the instruments to sit on.



For the latter, Imaging will improve more towards the 170 hour mark or before. I haven't noticed any changes in soundstage

post #5200 of 16802
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post


Aside from customs the SM3 has the most coherent central imaging I've heard. The EX1000 probably has the least (of the top-shelf in-ears). It sounds more like a headphone in that respect. Note that this is not necessarily a bad thing - I'm sure some would prefer, or even be wowed by this sort of presentation from an in-ear. The W4 and FX700 are somewhere in between. i would give the W4 the nod in imaging and FX700 in soundstage size. Both are very good compromises, though.

The EX1000 and FX700 have prominent treble, esp. lower treble. Of the two I would give the nod to the EX1000 in both quantity and smoothness. The W4 is more balanced and the SM3 is more relaxed. You'd have to compare them side by side in treble extension to know for sure - all do pretty good but the SM3 has relaxed treble in the first place so the roll-off it has compounds very quickly.

Detail is high on all of them. Armatures tend to have a dryer note presentation and can resolve a tiny bit better but these two dynamics are very good - I doubt you'll be missing any detail with any of the four.

The FX700 would have the most bass by a margin. EX1000 and SM3 would come second and the W4 would be the most balanced. The EX1000 has, IMO, the best quality bass of all the dynamics I've heard. The SM3 and W4 have very good armature bass, with the SM3 being fuller and warmer. The bass of the FX700 is difficult to compare to the others since there's much more of it. It is very good quality in its own right, though.


1. So EX1000 is not 3D?

in terms of 3D presentation, s FX700 > EX1000? only by a very slight margin right?

 

2. and which one has the best musical instrument separation?

 

3. comparison with the Klipsch S4, totally quantity wise, because they are not in the same class.

I would like slightly less or equal treble presence compared to the S4. which of the two(EX1000 and FX700) does that?

 

 

4. I think I should go with FX700 since I mainly listen to punk rock. But its poor isolation. I going to be travelling on the bus everyday.

Im definitely pleased with Monster Turbine Copper's isolation. Im ok with Sony EX300's isolation.

Is there any ear tips I can use to help isolation? Or maybe an universal iem that is equally as good that can replace FX700?

 

5. is there is less marginal difference between FX700 sound quality (sound signature aside) and UM Miracle than between Klipsch S4 and Monster Turbine copper?

I can hear that the S4 texture on every instrument is much less than Copper - bass, treble, everything.

 

thanks


Edited by Mini0510 - 12/18/11 at 10:00am
post #5201 of 16802
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Originally Posted by Freefallr4545 View Post



For the latter, Imaging will improve more towards the 170 hour mark or before. I haven't noticed any changes in soundstage



Oooh, glad to hear it. I don't really care that much for soundstage, but usually it helps with imaging.

post #5202 of 16802

Joker,

 

I really love the RE262, and until of late was entirely satisfied to the extent of not buying another IEM. Unfortunately the cable has now broken and have only been used for around month. I'm doubting how long the next pair will last, so considering other alternatives.

 

What would be the closest alternative to the RE262? The CK100, SM3 and UM3X seem the most appropriate?

 

 

post #5203 of 16802

After carefully reading this thread, i think i am going to get a set of Braniwavz M2 (allthough i am also considering M4 as it seems to be almost similarly priced). I just would like some more opinions based on the following issues:

 

- I listen to electronic music 80% time, so will this set be good for such music?

- I also prefer natural sound, natural bass, clarity and detail.

- Most of my music is played through iPhone 3GS and my dell D630.

- All my music is in quality MP3 format (V0 and 320), and in FLAC.

- Lastly, i am thinking of buying a Fiio E6 + Fiio L9 LOD to combined it with M2s.

 

Do you think this combination will be good considering all the above mentioned things? If not, what else would you suggest that does not go over 80-90 euros in total? 

post #5204 of 16802

If you have an iPhone 3GS and you're looking for an IEM, you don't need a portable amplifier on top of that.

 

If you can spend 90 euros, pick up a UE700 they are on sale $99 USD now amazon.com, they are good with electro music.

post #5205 of 16802

^ Thanks for your reply! I thought i saw many people using ipod touches/iphones with amplifiers in this thread (this link shows just one of them):

http://www.head-fi.org/t/552014/pictures-of-your-portable-rig-part-xv/2685#post_7956189

 

 

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