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post #481 of 16803

Different ears, different perceptions.  I don't know.  When I test frequency response I run a pink noise track and run a software EQ that is for all intensive purposes infinite in adjustment.  With most earphones I will EQ something.  With the CK90Pro, I have no place to add or subtract to fix anything.  I could say I might add a couple dB at 30Hz, but at that point it gets hard to discern.  The RE252 is very linear, but I do  EQ sloped slightly down, i.e. is slightly bright stock.  The result is pretty much a flat line across the spectrum with only a little extra adjustment at the ends.  There should be some care in sine sweeps.  Higher frequencies are automatically louder because there is more there.  You can EQ with frequency tests, but I find it less consistent.  I prefer pink noise.  For one, you have all frequencies at once so you can immediately hear whatever you want in real time.  A pink noise track is also equal in intensity across the spectrum so a 10kHz tone is the same intensity as a 100Hz tone because it runs a 3dB/octave cut across the board which counters the area gain under the curve as the octaves go up.  Basically 100Hz-200Hz has twice as much there as 50Hz-100Hz, and for a normal sine wave, this holds true because the area under the curve is relative to octave.  I toyed with test tones some time back, but once I stepped to pink noise I never went back or to anything else.  Starting out it takes a while to get accustomed to hearing a mass of sound and discerning a number of frequencies at one time.  Starting out it could take an hour just to be able to EQ something reasonably well once.  After you do it a hundred times you can do it in a couple minutes.  This is something I've used religiously for my car audio setups.  I've run a couple dozen drivers through my car and had to match different tweeters, mids, subs together, evaluate driver performance, pick workable x-overs, balance out everything, EQ each side, and time align everything.  Pink noise made the job easy, and I've stuck with it.  Once accustomed to it and some experience under your belt, it's a very quick and repeatable tool.  The only downside is if you don't use it for a while, you're a bit sluggish wrapping your mind around it again.  Just starting out it's much more so, but I value it much more than test tones or sweeps.

 

I do agree, different ears, different response.  Even one's own ears change over time, and our minds have little sound balance and tends to auto tune to what we're familiar with.  I kind of see pink noise as a cleansing device to help neutral out our perception because it has no bias.  Even volume level changes reshape the perceived loudness across the spectrum.  I tend to EQ at my normal listening levels to ensure what I tune to is what I would normally be at when listening to music.

post #482 of 16803

someone send Joker a pair of SM3s....PLEASE!!

 

I would send mine, but for some reason I experience pain whenever I'm away from them 

post #483 of 16803

I've always thought to myself if I ever bought some SM3s I'd send them on to Mike first. I've never actually mentioned this to him but it's something I've promised myself. ;)

post #484 of 16803

Thanks to Bennyboy71 I am going to get a listen to the Radius DDM, which I see did quite well in the list. (I will not read the actual review as I want to decide myself how they sound). AKG are my preferred brand, so purely out of curiosity I have been searching for info on their IEMs and have found, well nothing of note. Joker, will you review any AKGs?

 

(Amazing thread BTW )

post #485 of 16803
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Originally Posted by a_recording View Post

And I keep looking at my DDM's and wonder if there is some way to mod them. They appear to be completely sealed though...

 


I think they could use an extra vent or two 
 

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I agree that you should keep reviewing here. The previous thread had to be updated to this one due to lack of space. I think you should continue until you run out of space and then move on to another thread then. This is definitely a good resource for the confused newcomer to earphones past ibuds.


To be honest it doesn't seem like there's a post size cap under the huddler system. I've certainly beat all of my previous records with this thread and the portable shootout and the VBulletin limits (10,000 characters or 37 photos per post) no longer seem to apply. The only thing I worry about is page load times and how taxing a 120-IEM shootout would be on a reader's attentiveness. 


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I've always thought to myself if I ever bought some SM3s I'd send them on to Mike first. I've never actually mentioned this to him but it's something I've promised myself. ;)


Thanks . Unfortunately international loaning can be unnecessarily nerve-wracking and expensive. There's got to be at least a dozen US-based SM3 owners so I'm sure something will happen eventually. Worst case scenario is that I'll have to grab my car on a weekend and go listen to average_joe's set. 

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Originally Posted by Prog Rock Man View Post

Thanks to Bennyboy71 I am going to get a listen to the Radius DDM, which I see did quite well in the list. (I will not read the actual review as I want to decide myself how they sound). AKG are my preferred brand, so purely out of curiosity I have been searching for info on their IEMs and have found, well nothing of note. Joker, will you review any AKGs?

(Amazing thread BTW )


Thanks. No plans for any AKGs at this time as I've still got a massive backlog (see post #8) including some interesting stuff. I still constantly get questions about why an in-ear thread has no Shures, Westones, or mid-range Sennheisers. Truth is that I simply can't afford to buy every earphone out there. The gear I add to this thread falls into three categories - stuff I grab on sale and/or used that I'm actually curious about myself (majority of the earphones), pairs loaned to me by other head-fiers who want to see how they stack up and/or just benefit the community, and manufacturer samples (just a handful so far). I do wonder if the cheap AKGs floating around ebay are genuine or not.. doesn't seem like their IEMs are high-profile enough to be copied but I could be wrong.

post #486 of 16803

I think the important thing to take away is if you want to see something reviewed by Joker, you send it to him. :p  You want a SE530 or SE535 up to represent the Shure love, you send him one.  You want to see a SM3, W3, or anything else up there, send it to him.  Just expect to be without it for several weeks due to the time involved getting used to the product, understanding it enough to pass judgment and impressions on that product (and relative to other products at hand), and to work through the back log of stuff already on the table.

post #487 of 16803

Best thread ever.

 

Looking forward to what you have to say about the RE-ZERO compared to the RE0/RE252

post #488 of 16803

Thanks for the response Joker. AKG do not appear much in fakeheadphones.com, not that that will make them immune. I take you point about the waiting list and demand.

post #489 of 16803

 I hope Shure, Sennheiser and Earsonics are reading this and respond with bubble wrapped packages directed accordingly.
 

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I think the important thing to take away is if you want to see something reviewed by Joker, you send it to him. :p  You want a SE530 or SE535 up to represent the Shure love, you send him one.  You want to see a SM3, W3, or anything else up there, send it to him.  Just expect to be without it for several weeks due to the time involved getting used to the product, understanding it enough to pass judgment and impressions on that product (and relative to other products at hand), and to work through the back log of stuff already on the table.

post #490 of 16803

And AKG. My impressions of the Radius HP-TWF11 are very similar to the review here.

post #491 of 16803

Outstanding round-up of dual drivers --- kudos!  My favorite line was from the PS200 conclusion ---> "... and aesthetics Monster’s earphone division could envy." 

 

(hmmm.... maybe I should start a new thread about your thread: "Favorite quotes from Joker's humongous IEM thread???)

 

The FA DB-02 looks really interesting (as does the Radius DDM), but I just wish Radius and Fischer Audio were widely available in the U.S.  I am interested to try them out, but can't justify making it a priority if they are so hard to get a hold of.

post #492 of 16803

joker, out of curiosity, since you change earphones so often, which ones do you keep coming back to during "breaks"? Is it just your M6 for the gym, or something else too?

post #493 of 16803
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Originally Posted by Aaron1006 View Post

Best thread ever.

 

Looking forward to what you have to say about the RE-ZERO compared to the RE0/RE252

 


Thanks and... coming soon. 
 

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Originally Posted by Prog Rock Man View Post

Thanks for the response Joker. AKG do not appear much in fakeheadphones.com, not that that will make them immune. I take you point about the waiting list and demand.


Oddly I don't think I've ever seen an AKG earphone for sale on the forums here, either. They could be absolutely brilliant but as far as I can make out no one has purchased a set in the two years since they were released. The K340 certainly looks nice though.

 

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 I hope Shure, Sennheiser and Earsonics are reading this and respond with bubble wrapped packages directed accordingly.


You guys will be the first to know if an SM3 shows up at my door (heck I'd even settle for an SM2).
 

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Outstanding round-up of dual drivers --- kudos!  My favorite line was from the PS200 conclusion ---> "... and aesthetics Monster’s earphone division could envy." 

 

(hmmm.... maybe I should start a new thread about your thread: "Favorite quotes from Joker's humongous IEM thread???)

 

The FA DB-02 looks really interesting (as does the Radius DDM), but I just wish Radius and Fischer Audio were widely available in the U.S.  I am interested to try them out, but can't justify making it a priority if they are so hard to get a hold of.

 

Thanks . And yeah, such is the nature of the market. At least Fischer & Radius aren't like JVC/Victor who don't even acknowledge international demand for some of their high-end products. Radius is (officially) distributed by ALO and Fischer by bugdenaudio.



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Originally Posted by JxK View Post

joker, out of curiosity, since you change earphones so often, which ones do you keep coming back to during "breaks"? Is it just your M6 for the gym, or something else too?


Well I have the luxury to pick and choose but I do use the CK10 quite a bit when it's not out on loan, especially for short naps, and the MTPG for going to sleep at night because it's just so... relaxing. For grab-and-go use I'm currently coming back to the ViSang earphones a lot (R02/R03) as the signature appeals greatly to me and I don't really worry about knocking them about. I was using the Eterna too but one of the strain reliefs has now come unglued. 

 

For workouts and cycling I usually come back to the M6 but when I have something exercise-worthy to review I usually use that instead. Currently that would be the H2O Audio Surge earphones which are actually surprisingly good.

post #494 of 16803



 

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Well I have the luxury to pick and choose but I do use the CK10 quite a bit when it's not out on loan, especially for short naps, and the MTPG for going to sleep at night because it's just so... relaxing. For grab-and-go use I'm currently coming back to the ViSang earphones a lot (R02/R03) as the signature appeals greatly to me and I don't really worry about knocking them about. I was using the Eterna too but one of the strain reliefs has now come unglued. 

 

For workouts and cycling I usually come back to the M6 but when I have something exercise-worthy to review I usually use that instead. Currently that would be the H2O Audio Surge earphones which are actually surprisingly good.


Two surprises.

1) No DBA-02 mentioned. Any particular reason?

2) H20 Audio... really? I've never seen a review of them (never looked for one either), so I know ZERO about their sound, but nonetheless, kinda surprised.

 

And... lastly, what makes the M6 specific to workouts? (sorry if that's a really stupid question...)

 

cheers

 

shane
 

post #495 of 16803

The M6 is indeed good for workouts and such now that their memory wire isn't so difficult to move. First their cables are very good and not just very good for the price but very good regardless of price. They are cheap and have a memory wire which makes workouts and any physical activity a good choice for the M6. I'd use it for that but I like the sound of the PL30 better.

 

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