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post #4291 of 16802

if you dont mind the fatigue, then go for UE-4.

post #4292 of 16802
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The 2 pm limit is really annoying!!


Replied to your PM.

 



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Originally Posted by Ultrazino View Post

I don't think so. Customs don't have tips, so they trap the air in your ear canal. This is very uncomfortable when moving your jaw or on a plane. The W4 are extremely comfortable with Complys.


Is this statement based on experience with real customs or guesswork?

 

post #4293 of 16802
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Is this statement based on experience with real customs or guesswork?


It's based on experience with the demo pair and almost all universal IEMs with silicone tips that do not have vents.

post #4294 of 16802
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It's based on experience with the demo pair and almost all universal IEMs with silicone tips that do not have vents.



Demo pair = NOT customs.

post #4295 of 16802
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Originally Posted by Bazirker View Post

Demo pair = NOT customs.


This is true. I was actually surprised by the lack of a 'suction' feeling with full-shell customs, which can be glimpsed from the 'comfort' section of my 1964-T review on the front page. There isn't really a sensation of seal as there is with silicone-tipped universals. 

 

post #4296 of 16802

Ok, so the guy who gave me the JH-5 and UE-4 demos (and TripleFi 10, and W4, and SE535, ...) told me to go with universals if they are comfortable. The acryl shell is very hard and he also agreed that the trapped air can be uncomfortable. I have very sensible ears and I ripped my eardrum before, so this is a huge matter for me.

He also hinted to the option of modding vents in the housing but he warned me of the effect that bass will loosen up and have fewer quantity.

 

I would take the W4 if it wouldn't sound cramped and veiled. God dammit Westone, what have you done?!

post #4297 of 16802
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Originally Posted by Ultrazino View Post

Ok, so the guy who gave me the JH-5 and UE-4 demos (and TripleFi 10, and W4, and SE535, ...) told me to go with universals if they are comfortable. The acryl shell is very hard and he also agreed that the trapped air can be uncomfortable. I have very sensible ears and I ripped my eardrum before, so this is a huge matter for me.

He also hinted to the option of modding vents in the housing but he warned me of the effect that bass will loosen up and have fewer quantity.



A large part of it depends on the skill of the person making the customs. If you wanted to go custom you could ask for the tips to be cut short or rounded at the front. The hard shell is not a problem as they are tailored to your ears, unless you are doing something that would cause them to be pushed further in than they're supposed to go. It's not like the W4 shell is gummy soft, either.

post #4298 of 16802
I think it's somewhat strange if you don't get suction with a well-fitted pair of customs. I get extremely strong suction with my UERMs, if I put them in as far as they go, i.e. with open mouth and a moderate amount of pressure. They literally feel like glued to my ears that way, with great isolation and no discomfort.

But there's a downside and it's occlusion effects. Footfall noise during walking makes it undesirable to listen to anything subtle, like classcal pieces. Even with stationary listening the increased sensation of hearing your own pulse, etc. may be too distracting for quiet and subtle music.

So, even though I've little to complain about my customs' sound quality, there are plenty of situations when I end up picking a universal instead.

(Btw @Ultrazino and others who PMed, due to my smartphone-only access to HF I'm currently unable to reply to PMs, sorry for the inconvenience) think it's somewhat strange if you don't get suction with a well-fitted pair of customs. I get extremely strong suction with my UERMs, if I put them in as far as they go, i.e. with open mouth and a moderate amount of pressure. They literally feel like glued to my ears that way, with great isolation and no discomfort.

But there's a downside and it's occlusion effects. Footfall noise during walking makes it undesirable to listen to anything subtle, like classcal pieces. Even with stationary listening the increased sensation of hearing your own pulse, etc. may be too distracting for quiet and subtle music.

So, even though I've little to complain about my customs' sound quality, there are plenty of situations when I end up picking a universal instead.

(Btw @Ultrazino and others who PMed, due to my smartphone-only access to HF I'm currently unable to reply to PMs, sorry for the inconvenience)
post #4299 of 16802
^ Sorry, the forum editor and my phone's browser don't like each other :P
post #4300 of 16802
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Originally Posted by Ultrazino View Post

Ok, so the guy who gave me the JH-5 and UE-4 demos (and TripleFi 10, and W4, and SE535, ...) told me to go with universals if they are comfortable. The acryl shell is very hard and he also agreed that the trapped air can be uncomfortable. I have very sensible ears and I ripped my eardrum before, so this is a huge matter for me.

He also hinted to the option of modding vents in the housing but he warned me of the effect that bass will loosen up and have fewer quantity.

 

I would take the W4 if it wouldn't sound cramped and veiled. God dammit Westone, what have you done?!


They are a little veiled in the mids but IMO they don't sound cramped.
post #4301 of 16802

Thank you to all of you. I already decided in favor of the Westone 4.

The UE-4 has incredible voices but I prefer a well rounded overall package. To my ears, the W4 are cramped, but after 15 minutes I don't notice it anymore.

The JH-5 sounds too rough and it just feels too much aimed at Rock music for my taste. Not bad at all, though.

 

I will stick to the FX700 for when I need some power. I also liked the TF10 (which are sadly unusable due to the faulty design) but the timbre of the JVC is the one feature that the W4 lacks.

 

This combination should be all the portable sound glory I can ask for before I jump to high end customs.

Next purchase: I might have to take a closer look at the Edition 8... ph34r.gif

God, I love this hobby!

 

@James: Thank you for lending me both your IEMs. I will send them out early on Tuesday if that's alright (Monday is holiday).

post #4302 of 16802

Dear Friends I need an advice!!! Please.

 

I want to upgrade from old etymotic 6i, and my new (which a do not like much...Atrio M5)...


I will use my new in ears with my ipod classic, my 2stepdance meier-audio amp, with an, qable Coppercab ipod lod....

So now I have 3 options:

- Vsonic GR 07 - 109£


- Fischer Audio Tandem - 75£


- Hisound goldem crystal - 120£

I love the confort of my little 6i etymotic...and I think I prefer down use that over the ear....I have also an Ultimate fi 3 studio, and I don't use it because I feel it disconfort....

What do you recomend?

 

thanks for your answers,....

Paulo

post #4303 of 16802

^

Have you thought of getting a pair of the Brainwavz B2?

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Have you thought of getting a pair of the Brainwavz B2?



Hi To be honest, since I live in Portugal, I have to choose something I could get...within some prices and offer, from an european seller....

I've read several high rating reviews about the vsonic gr07, the Fischer Audio products are also high appreciated in reviews and foruns, and the hisound are great products, I have an amp3 pro2 player and an pair of is entry level IEM, that I found great, teh cost me more or less 25 euros!!!!

So I was thinking in one of this 3....

One problem to me is the confort!!! If I have the best IEM in world and I feel disconfot with them....

So I can use my etymotic 6i, with triple flanges for hours..., also the hisound IEM, but I bought a pair of Atrios M5 and I just can't use then for more then 20 or 30 minutes!!!(I'm selling them...) and I think they sound very well....

My only problem is that there ins't any detailed review of both the FA tandem, and the HS golden crystal!

Anway many thanks for your answer.

Paulo

post #4305 of 16802
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Originally Posted by pjaires View Post

Hi To be honest, since I live in Portugal, I have to choose something I could get...within some prices and offer, from an european seller....

I've read several high rating reviews about the vsonic gr07, the Fischer Audio products are also high appreciated in reviews and foruns, and the hisound are great products, I have an amp3 pro2 player and an pair of is entry level IEM, that I found great, teh cost me more or less 25 euros!!!!

So I was thinking in one of this 3....

One problem to me is the confort!!! If I have the best IEM in world and I feel disconfot with them....

So I can use my etymotic 6i, with triple flanges for hours..., also the hisound IEM, but I bought a pair of Atrios M5 and I just can't use then for more then 20 or 30 minutes!!!(I'm selling them...) and I think they sound very well....

My only problem is that there ins't any detailed review of both the FA tandem, and the HS golden crystal!

Anway many thanks for your answer.

Paulo



If you order the B2 from MP4nation, they'll ship for free, but it may take an upwards of a month to get to you!  Just pointing that out.

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