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post #14956 of 16802
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post
 

I have an FLC8 but I haven't had a chance to play around with it yet. Like you said, it's a time investment. I'll see if Tyll @ InnerFidelity can measure all the different combinations, lol. 

Maybe I can get rid off my w4r and try one of those. Any plan to do a simple review on the FLC8?

post #14957 of 16802
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Originally Posted by PoRidge View Post
 

Maybe I can get rid off my w4r and try one of those. Any plan to do a simple review on the FLC8?

 

I don't think a simple anything is possible with the FLC8 :o

post #14958 of 16802

joker have you heard of any of the rhapsodio products ?

post #14959 of 16802

Hi Joker, cant thank enuf for the thread! Now moving to the question, my gear involves Fiio X3, Toppings NX1 along with Vsd1s, FXT90 and DN1K. Now Fxt sounds great with x3 so does dunu. I wanted to now try out a complementary earphone with some good quality bass (some EDM). I know all my collection is towards a slight V but still i feel sometimes it wouldnt harm to have a higher slamming earphone. I am intrigued by TTPOD T1-E as well as Havi B3, i understand that TTPOD suits the current requirement better but just as an option i would like a different signature. TTPOD because penonaudio ships to India, i am open to any other recommendation you have if it delivers to me and is not insanely expensive!

post #14960 of 16802
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post
 

 

I don't think a simple anything is possible with the FLC8 :o

 

 

Can you comment on the isolation and comfort of the FLC8? I have my eyes on InEar SD2, seems like a viable upgrade from GR07, but the price difference, LOL.

post #14961 of 16802
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Originally Posted by zubin111 View Post

Hi Joker, cant thank enuf for the thread! Now moving to the question, my gear involves Fiio X3, Toppings NX1 along with Vsd1s, FXT90 and DN1K. Now Fxt sounds great with x3 so does dunu. I wanted to now try out a complementary earphone with some good quality bass (some EDM). I know all my collection is towards a slight V but still i feel sometimes it wouldnt harm to have a higher slamming earphone. I am intrigued by TTPOD T1-E as well as Havi B3, i understand that TTPOD suits the current requirement better but just as an option i would like a different signature. TTPOD because penonaudio ships to India, i am open to any other recommendation you have if it delivers to me and is not insanely expensive!

If you're looking for more bass the Havi B3 would not be the best choice. The bass on the T1E is very good though. Don't get me wrong, I love the B3's but it's not a bassy IEM.
post #14962 of 16802
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Originally Posted by peter123 View Post


If you're looking for more bass the Havi B3 would not be the best choice. The bass on the T1E is very good though. Don't get me wrong, I love the B3's but it's not a bassy IEM.

Yes i am looking for some more slam and bass quality without any significant clarity deterioration. how is the soundstage of T1E?

post #14963 of 16802
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Originally Posted by zubin111 View Post

Yes i am looking for some more slam and bass quality without any significant clarity deterioration. how is the soundstage of T1E?

The soundstage width on the T1E is pretty good but it lacks in depth. For soundstage (especially depth) I've never heard anything better than the B3's from an IEM. The sub bass on the T1E is very good in quality but some users has wished for more quantity, for me it's enough though. The T1E's got less and better controlled midbass compared to my vsd1 but more (and better controlled) sub bass.
post #14964 of 16802

I think I need to say that imbalances in mid to low frequencies in my IEM measurements need to be considered somewhat suspect.  I try VERY hard to ensure a good tip seal in the ears of my head, but it's very hard to be certain. The dummies ear canals are usually somewhere between the medium and small size tips shipped with IEM products, and getting a seal is sometimes very difficult.  When I do see an imbalance (and it's very easy for me to see as I seat the tips with 30H square waves) I will try to reseat the tips, change the tips, sometimes switch the IEMs left for right to see if the imbalance moves (in which case it's likely an actual imbalance), I will sometimes measure the IEMs 3-5 times to try to get a good reading. One of the big problems is if the tip is slightly bigger than the ear canal, it will sometimes fold in the ear canal and make a small leak, which will effect the resulting measurement. 

 

Bottom line: I try very hard to get good readings, but I'm pretty sure at times a measurement will slip through that's not an accurate reflection of the product. 

 

At any rate, I just wanted to let y'all know that measured imbalances should be held a bit suspect. I do try very hard, but I think sometimes a bad measurement slips through. 

post #14965 of 16802
Good to know, goes to show you that, that B3 was just bad. Not only is FR bad, distortion levels are through the roof. Seeing as how another measurement site also had s bad pair, Havi needs to work on their QC. I do believe most people are getting a fairly matched pair but I could be wrong....

It's like the Monoprice 9927/8320 all over again, Many poor pairs out there but also some matched ones, luck of that draw...but that has The excuse of being a 7$ product.
post #14966 of 16802

@joker

 

Have you listened to VSD3/VSD3S ? How would you rate them in microphonics ? 4? 4.5? 5?

post #14967 of 16802
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Originally Posted by Hitesh View Post
 

@joker

 

Have you listened to VSD3/VSD3S ? How would you rate them in microphonics ? 4? 4.5? 5?

http://theheadphonelist.com/brief-impressions-vsonic-vsd3s-ostry-kc06-havi-b3-pro/#comment-38281

 

"As with the other over-the-ear VSonic models, cable noise is virtually nonexistent and noise isolation is pretty good – about on-par with the GR07."

post #14968 of 16802

Thanks !

Didn't know joker had brief-reviewed those

post #14969 of 16802
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Retrias View Post
 

joker have you heard of any of the rhapsodio products ?

 

I haven't. 

 

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Originally Posted by zubin111 View Post
 

Hi Joker, cant thank enuf for the thread! Now moving to the question, my gear involves Fiio X3, Toppings NX1 along with Vsd1s, FXT90 and DN1K. Now Fxt sounds great with x3 so does dunu. I wanted to now try out a complementary earphone with some good quality bass (some EDM). I know all my collection is towards a slight V but still i feel sometimes it wouldnt harm to have a higher slamming earphone. I am intrigued by TTPOD T1-E as well as Havi B3, i understand that TTPOD suits the current requirement better but just as an option i would like a different signature. TTPOD because penonaudio ships to India, i am open to any other recommendation you have if it delivers to me and is not insanely expensive!

 

As someone said above, do not buy the Havi for bass. I haven't tried the TTPOD and my recommendations for bass-heavy earphones with quality that's at least on-par with the FXT90 tend to be more expensive and probably not as readily available - the RHA MA750 and Yamaha EPH-100, for instance. The TTPOD seems to be highly recommended and costs a lot less, so it may be worth a try just on that basis.

 

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Originally Posted by PoRidge View Post
 

Can you comment on the isolation and comfort of the FLC8? I have my eyes on InEar SD2, seems like a viable upgrade from GR07, but the price difference, LOL.

 

I thought the comfort was great, no complaints at all. They're actually a little curious in that respect - it really seems you can wear them both cable-up and cable down depending on how you orient the detachable cable. Isolation seems to be average. 

 

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Originally Posted by Tyll Hertsens View Post
 

I think I need to say that imbalances in mid to low frequencies in my IEM measurements need to be considered somewhat suspect.  I try VERY hard to ensure a good tip seal in the ears of my head, but it's very hard to be certain. The dummies ear canals are usually somewhere between the medium and small size tips shipped with IEM products, and getting a seal is sometimes very difficult.  When I do see an imbalance (and it's very easy for me to see as I seat the tips with 30H square waves) I will try to reseat the tips, change the tips, sometimes switch the IEMs left for right to see if the imbalance moves (in which case it's likely an actual imbalance), I will sometimes measure the IEMs 3-5 times to try to get a good reading. One of the big problems is if the tip is slightly bigger than the ear canal, it will sometimes fold in the ear canal and make a small leak, which will effect the resulting measurement. 

 

Bottom line: I try very hard to get good readings, but I'm pretty sure at times a measurement will slip through that's not an accurate reflection of the product. 

 

At any rate, I just wanted to let y'all know that measured imbalances should be held a bit suspect. I do try very hard, but I think sometimes a bad measurement slips through. 

 

Thanks for the insight!

 

And just for the record in this case it was an audible imbalance, too. 

 

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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

Good to know, goes to show you that, that B3 was just bad. Not only is FR bad, distortion levels are through the roof. Seeing as how another measurement site also had s bad pair, Havi needs to work on their QC. I do believe most people are getting a fairly matched pair but I could be wrong....

It's like the Monoprice 9927/8320 all over again, Many poor pairs out there but also some matched ones, luck of that draw...but that has The excuse of being a 7$ product.

 

I came to the same conclusion after two units. Have the third one on hand now, should be able to check it out this weekend. 

post #14970 of 16802
Yeah, the T1-E bests the EPH-100 for me. At least one or two others said the same. Almost there in clarity/refinement(maybe like somewhere between 8.2-8.7 on your scale, just a guess...) and a much more enjoyable signature. I find the Yammys too bassy and smooth up top though they are quite refined. I think the TTPOD has the better bass presentation and some more energy up top but not overly as well, which translates to more of an all-arounder for me.
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