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Also have you considered getting another B3 seeing as the pair you have is clearly defective? Some channel matching is fine but what Tyll measures is ridiculously bad...
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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

Also have you considered getting another B3 seeing as the pair you have is clearly defective? Some channel matching is fine but what Tyll measures is ridiculously bad...


My Havi sure don't have the channel imbalance problem like the one Tyll tested.

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I found a very interesting idea posted on the official forum of Lear, the company based in HK that brought us the luf4 in the latest review in this thread.

 

This "custom removable nozzle" seems to come from the idea of custom tips like westone does(Lear also makes custom ear-tips) but created for ciems in mind. The universal/custom nozzles are interchangeable as seen from my screenshot.

 

No further information yet, but I am really intrigued.

 

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So, Hifiman has dropped the price of the RE400 down to $49. They are now the same price as the RE-300. Which one is the better buy If we want the best bass response and high resolution combo?

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Originally Posted by Hisoundfi View Post
 

So, Hifiman has dropped the price of the RE400 down to $49. They are now the same price as the RE-300. Which one is the better buy If we want the best bass response and high resolution combo?

Huh? Where did you see $49 - it's $79.

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Originally Posted by Hisoundfi View Post
 

So, Hifiman has dropped the price of the RE400 down to $49. They are now the same price as the RE-300. Which one is the better buy If we want the best bass response and high resolution combo?

 

Coming Soon:

"Designed for music lovers on-the-go, HIFIMAN RE300h with Advanced OCC cabling sets the standard for others to follow."

 

Wonder if this micless "h" version sounds different/better compared to the a/i version.

 

Some initial impressions on the RE-300a/i : http://www.head-fi.org/t/738370/hifiman-re300a-re300i-inline-control-earphone-launched-49/30#post_11028596

 

 

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Huh? Where did you see $49 - it's $79.

 
Amazon

 


Edited by getclikinagas - 11/12/14 at 5:46am
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Yeah, my bad as I went to head-direct to check the price

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Thanks, I appreciate that.

 

What comes to mind in the universal form factor is the InEar StageDiver 2: http://theheadphonelist.com/headphone_review/inear-stagediver-2-sd-2-review/ . I think there's a custom version of it also, but I've only tried the universal. The AudioFly AF180 is promising but I haven't spent enough time with it yet to be sure and it's definitely not as smooth as the 7550 or SD-2.

 

As for customs I have tried, as an upgrade you'd probably want at least a Custom Art Pro 330v2, and that's already $600-ish. Going up from there things get pretty expensive. 

 

Ah, never even thought of the StageDivers.  Thanks joker - they look like a great next upgrade, can't wait to check them out.

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Also have you considered getting another B3 seeing as the pair you have is clearly defective? Some channel matching is fine but what Tyll measures is ridiculously bad...

Joker are you sure your Havi B3 review sample is not a defective unit? many B3 owners are saying the measurement data is inconsistent with their units, including me..

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The B3 is an IEM that changes with different tips as well, and has a lot of issues with fit, so it could be a case of not getting a proper reading due to that. I can hear a few slight channel imbalances when running a full sweep, but it's nothing on the levels of what Tyll's data looks like. Could also be quality control, but I know the majority of people have enjoyed them. 

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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

Also have you considered getting another B3 seeing as the pair you have is clearly defective? Some channel matching is fine but what Tyll measures is ridiculously bad...

 

I did, and it was also imbalanced, just not as much (going by ear, didn't send it in) as the original unit Tyll measured. This was before the measurements were posted so I didn't know the severity of the imbalance of the first unit.

 

I actually gave up after the second one, but then after the data went up another Head-Fier contacted me and offered a 3rd, which I should have on hand soon. 

 

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Originally Posted by PoRidge View Post
 

I found a very interesting idea posted on the official forum of Lear, the company based in HK that brought us the luf4 in the latest review in this thread.

 

This "custom removable nozzle" seems to come from the idea of custom tips like westone does(Lear also makes custom ear-tips) but created for ciems in mind. The universal/custom nozzles are interchangeable as seen from my screenshot.

 

No further information yet, but I am really intrigued.

 

 

Wow, that's very interesting indeed. Never seen anything like it. I wonder what the advantage would be in terms of fit over having a universal nozzle + fitted custom eartip (Westone-style).

 

This also opens it up to some sound tuning possibilities via different nozzle filters or maybe even different bore sizes both for universal and custom nozzles. Very interesting concept.  

 

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Originally Posted by yalper View Post
 

Joker are you sure your Havi B3 review sample is not a defective unit? many B3 owners are saying the measurement data is inconsistent with their units, including me..

 

See my reply to Inks above. Wouldn't expect any two units to be imbalanced the exact same way (that would imply that there is an issue with the manufacturing process) but it does point to mediocre QC, perhaps. It's easy to miss mild imbalances by ear so who knows how many of the units out there are actually matched.  

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See my reply to Inks above. Wouldn't expect any two units to be imbalanced the exact same way (that would imply that there is an issue with the manufacturing process) but it does point to mediocre QC, perhaps. It's easy to miss mild imbalances by ear so who knows how many of the units out there are actually matched.  

This is very true in my experience with using music. Running a sine sweep on a set of earphones will show imbalances pretty well though, even smaller ones, but you also need to account for imbalances due to your ears for say earwax buildup changing resonances, etc.

Then you'd probably just have to decide if that's acceptable to you based on factors like how music sounds and probably how much you paid.
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@Joker,

 

Thanks in advance!

 

Your reviews help me to purchase several of my earphones and headphones, like my Astrotec AM800 and my Superlux HD668B (over-head).

 

I'm wondering if you ever tried the Takstar TS-610 (or 600 in Silver), great full-size over-head monitor (closed) headphones with very clear vocals, well balanced and detachable cables. And, I'm refering to the "portable headphone list," sorry.

 

 

On another note: 3 more to go!!!

 

-Prepare your pots and pans for some noise!  :L3000:

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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post
 

Wow, that's very interesting indeed. Never seen anything like it. I wonder what the advantage would be in terms of fit over having a universal nozzle + fitted custom eartip (Westone-style).

 

This also opens it up to some sound tuning possibilities via different nozzle filters or maybe even different bore sizes both for universal and custom nozzles. Very interesting concept.

Sound tuning by changing nozzles is not only a concept. A China based company, FLC, made flc8 a tunable iem by chaning nozzles, ports and dampers, etc. Using their patented parts that comes with the iem, users can make a total of 36 different tunings.

 

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For the designers to be confident enough to make their iem tunable, I think the basic sound qualities have to be top notch. Responses from Chinese forums seems pretty good. They even started a thread on the theories of how they can use those parts to tune the sound.

 

Actually, I might be able to get you a pair if you have the time to review them. It could be time consuming though, unlike the LUF4 having only 3 variants, it has 5 recommended combinations.

 

FYI, the flc8 is a 2ba+1dynamic configuration.


Edited by PoRidge - 11/12/14 at 9:07pm
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Originally Posted by vwinter View Post


This is very true in my experience with using music. Running a sine sweep on a set of earphones will show imbalances pretty well though, even smaller ones, but you also need to account for imbalances due to your ears for say earwax buildup changing resonances, etc.

Then you'd probably just have to decide if that's acceptable to you based on factors like how music sounds and probably how much you paid.

 

Linear sine sweeps make it extremely easy to tell, but it is a very tricky to gauge what is and isn't a significant deviation, especially as you get into the top end. 

 

A "middle road" option is to put your source in mono mode (mix the channels together) but still use regular music tracks. I find that this is capable of pointing out significant imbalances but not as revealing of minor ones as the sweep method. 

 

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Originally Posted by 1clearhead View Post
 

@Joker,

 

Thanks in advance!

 

Your reviews help me to purchase several of my earphones and headphones, like my Astrotec AM800 and my Superlux HD668B (over-head).

 

I'm wondering if you ever tried the Takstar TS-610 (or 600 in Silver), great full-size over-head monitor (closed) headphones with very clear vocals, well balanced and detachable cables. And, I'm refering to the "portable headphone list," sorry.

 

 

On another note: 3 more to go!!!

 

-Prepare your pots and pans for some noise!  :L3000:

 

I've heard the brand name but I've never tried a Takstar product.

 

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Originally Posted by PoRidge View Post
 

Sound tuning by changing nozzles is not only a concept. A China based company, FLC, made flc8 a tunable iem by chaning nozzles, ports and dampers, etc. Using their patented parts that comes with the iem, users can make a total of 36 different tunings.

 

For the designers to be confident enough to make their iem tunable, I think the basic sound qualities have to be top notch. Responses from Chinese forums seems pretty good. They even started a thread on the theories of how they can use those parts to tune the sound.

 

Actually, I might be able to get you a pair if you have the time to review them. It could be time consuming though, unlike the LUF4 having only 3 variants, it has 5 recommended combinations.

 

FYI, the flc8 is a 2ba+1dynamic configuration.

 

There are many existing universal earphones where you can change nozzles and/or nozzle filters to modify the sound - RHA T10i, Rock Jaw Alfa Genus, and Torque t103z for instance. Just that none of them offer a "custom" nozzle option to turn the IEM into a CIEM.

 

There are also a good number where you swap between ports to change the sound. I see the FLC8 as an extreme extension of these existing tunable designs. 

 

I have an FLC8 but I haven't had a chance to play around with it yet. Like you said, it's a time investment. I'll see if Tyll @ InnerFidelity can measure all the different combinations, lol. 

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