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post #13921 of 16802
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Originally Posted by peter123 View Post

@HeadHoncho

My VSD3s are stucked in my ears since this morning wink.gif

 

I'm getting very jealous Peter....I'm still waiting for mine :popcorn:

post #13922 of 16802
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Originally Posted by SomeGuyDude View Post
 

 

LOL sure.

 

http://blog.shure.com/shure-notes/inside-headphones-with-yuri-shulman-shure-engineer/

 

 

But no, I'm sure you know a lot more about headphones than him.

 

Wait, that's just one guy. What about... http://eu.audio-technica.com/en/support/questions/question.asp?id=239

 

 

Hm. I'm confused...

"Dude", I'm a sound engineer, and have been for many years. Don't glorify yourself on other companies or people's comments and blogs you read from. Some companies do burn-in before delivering there products so that the consumer won't have to.

 

Sorry to turn the tide "dude".....you don't have to act confused.

post #13923 of 16802
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Originally Posted by SomeGuyDude View Post
 

 

LOL sure. 

 

http://blog.shure.com/shure-notes/inside-headphones-with-yuri-shulman-shure-engineer/

 

 

But no, I'm sure you know a lot more about headphones than him. 

 

Wait, that's just one guy. What about... http://eu.audio-technica.com/en/support/questions/question.asp?id=239

 

 

Hm. I'm confused...

 

     what do they really mean by burning in , just play your music , it will burn .

post #13924 of 16802

Aha....1clearhead.....so you're a sound engineer....we'd better trust your review then :beerchug:

post #13925 of 16802
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post
 

 

The 7550 is going to be less mid-forward and less bright than the CK100. The soundstage is nice and large, though, and sibilance is never a problem. Isolation is mediocre and the fit is atypical, but not uncomfortable once you get used to it. If you want a somewhat similar signature with the comfort and isolation of a BA earphone, the TDK BA200 is a good option. I compared the 7550 and BA200 in the BA200 review: http://theheadphonelist.com/headphone_review/tdk-ba200/ 

 

On the real cheap side (nothing wrong with getting a disposable IEM if it sounds good to you), I would strongly recommend the UE600 and Fidue A63

 

Just wondering how does the TDK BA200 compare to the E-Q7 and the UE900? I have the E-Q7 but have sold the UE900. 

post #13926 of 16802
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Originally Posted by 1clearhead View Post
 

"Dude", I'm a sound engineer, and have been for many years. Don't glorify yourself on other companies or people's comments and blogs you read from. Some companies do burn-in before delivering there products so that the consumer won't have to.

 

Sorry to turn the tide "dude".....you don't have to act confused.

 

Oh dang a sound engineer. I was wrong, that DOES make you more qualified than the engineers at Shure and Audio Technica. I guess they should fire their staff and hire you because you know better.

 

I actually got challenged a while ago to find any headphone companies that tell their customers to burn in the products prior to listening. Couldn't find any.

 

Moreover, if the companies do burn-in the drivers before delivering them (Audeze was the only one I'm aware of) then that means you don't have to, which negates the entire purpose of "they need burn-in first" anyway.

 

The instant someone throws out job title, what that means is "I have no substantive arguments so I want you to just accept what I say because I said so". Sorry, I'm not razzle dazzled by job titles. And what exactly is your job? A sound engineer can be all kinds of things. What part of your job makes you an expert vis a vis the motor mechanics of headphone drivers?

 

I mean, otherwise it'd be like you just threw that out in the hopes that I'd be impressed or intimidated. 

post #13927 of 16802
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Originally Posted by suman134 View Post
 

 

     what do they really mean by burning in , just play your music , it will burn .

 

The term "burning in" is a bit of a holdover from old loudspeakers which had big, heavy mechanical parts which, fresh off the assembly line, needed time before they could move smoothly. There was also the notion that without "burning in" the motors it would be easier to blow the speakers thanks to the parts being stiff. It's relatively antiquated now and exists chiefly as a placebo effect.

 

Remember that this started by talking about giant speakers which required significant mechanical movement. Headphones are extremely tiny units, and IEMs even MORE so. They don't need burning in.

 

http://www.wired.com/2013/11/tnhyui-earphone-burn-in/

 

Just for a good read. There's psychological burn-in, but that's all. If I put two headphones on a table and made you guess which one had been burned in? Wouldn't happen. It's popped up in so many threads where someone got a new pair in the mail and were shocked, SHOCKED that their replacements sounded exactly like their old ones, which had been treated with a hundred hours of burn-in.

 

At best we're talking about maybe an hour of motion just to get the parts loosened up. There's no science behind burn-in. Just conjecture and references to old technology.

post #13928 of 16802
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Originally Posted by peter123 View Post

@HeadHoncho

My VSD3s are stucked in my ears since this morning wink.gif

 

Awww man! Can you give some impressions about it? These are the first earphones I'v purchased purely on the reputation Vsonic has built up and haven't waited for Joker's review. I'm getting pretty agitated as to how they are going to sound... have been relying on my standby MH1C since my last pair of IEMs broke... can't bloody wait enough!

post #13929 of 16802
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Originally Posted by suman134 View Post
 

 

     what do they really mean by burning in , just play your music , it will burn .

What it means is that the voice coil is stiff "when new" and needs to vibrate to the electrical current given to produce sound, and when it finally settles in the sound produced will eventually be the same every time.

 

For example: I have my Ivery IS-1 I use everyday at work and the midrange-vocals opened-up since the day of purchase mainly because it took 50 or more hours to do so. Now, they vibrate with ease to produce the most out of my music.

 

While, in the other hand, I have two more new "unboxed," which if I open and take a quick listen sounds very thin and lean with distant vocals because the voice coil hasn't been energized, or magnetized with electric current to provide a smooth flow.

 

So, yes....play, play, play, at a moderate level until it manages to settle-in. You could also do so by listening to them. They will sound better as you use them down the road!

 

Probably, within a week it'll settle-in.....only if your a constant user. But, if not, give it at least 2 weeks, at best!

 

You'll like them more then you did when you first opened them out the box!

 

I hope I made some sense of it.

post #13930 of 16802
@HeadHoncho
Initial expression is very good but I think it's a bit to early to say anything more yet. I'll try to post some early impressions in the dedicated thread later tonight.
post #13931 of 16802
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Originally Posted by Francisk View Post
 

Aha....1clearhead.....so you're a sound engineer....we'd better trust your review then :beerchug:

Frankly, I did not want to mention that. This is 'Jokers' thread and I respect him, dearly.

 

I'm still human, though. But thanks for your comments. I'm more of an audiophile specialist on high-end audio speakers.

 

Joker would be a better expert than me in this realm. I would be considered more like his side-kick. :rolleyes:

post #13932 of 16802
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Originally Posted by SomeGuyDude View Post
 

 

The term "burning in" is a bit of a holdover from old loudspeakers which had big, heavy mechanical parts which, fresh off the assembly line, needed time before they could move smoothly. There was also the notion that without "burning in" the motors it would be easier to blow the speakers thanks to the parts being stiff. It's relatively antiquated now and exists chiefly as a placebo effect.

 

Remember that this started by talking about giant speakers which required significant mechanical movement. Headphones are extremely tiny units, and IEMs even MORE so. They don't need burning in.

 

http://www.wired.com/2013/11/tnhyui-earphone-burn-in/

 

Just for a good read. There's psychological burn-in, but that's all. If I put two headphones on a table and made you guess which one had been burned in? Wouldn't happen. It's popped up in so many threads where someone got a new pair in the mail and were shocked, SHOCKED that their replacements sounded exactly like their old ones, which had been treated with a hundred hours of burn-in.

 

At best we're talking about maybe an hour of motion just to get the parts loosened up. There's no science behind burn-in. Just conjecture and references to old technology.

Edited: Sorry, didn't mean to come off that way.....:beyersmile:


Edited by 1clearhead - 6/29/14 at 6:53pm
post #13933 of 16802
No worries 1clearhead...it's a free world and everyone has the right to their opinion and of course a lot of respect to Joker for his time and reviews that he has shared with fellow HeadFiers here
Edited by Francisk - 6/23/14 at 10:41am
post #13934 of 16802
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Originally Posted by Francisk View Post
 

Yes 1clearhead, you just caught my attention with a $10 IEM sounding better than a $1400 so I jumped on your hype train and just ordered the Ivery IS-1. Heck, what have I got to lose :D

It was just a coincidence bringing these 2 together.

 

Did not know it was going to create such feedback. But, then again it is a David and Goliath type of scale.

 

Please, let me know your comments after you had used them for some time.

post #13935 of 16802
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Originally Posted by 1clearhead View Post
 

It was just a coincidence bringing these 2 together.

 

Did not know it was going to create such feedback. But, then again it is a David and Goliath type of scale.

 

Please, let me know your comments after you had used them for some time.

 

Yes 1clearhead, will let you know once I receive and use it for a while. Hell...I'm going to be very busy soon with VSD3S and Ivery IS-1 both arriving almost the same time :D

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