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Looking at my own sound scoring the DDM is right on the borderline at 9.675 but I rounded it off to 9.75. The RE262 is firmly in 9.75 territory. I think these might get spread out more once the SM3 is introduced.



I actually feel that RE252 sounds on the same level as SM3 and SE530/535 beats both. lol Preferences, preferences...

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Looking at my own sound scoring the DDM is right on the borderline at 9.675 but I rounded it off to 9.75. The RE262 is firmly in 9.75 territory. I think these might get spread out more once the SM3 is introduced.



I actually feel that RE252 sounds on the same level as SM3 and SE530/535 beats both. lol Preferences, preferences...

 

 

Really?  Is the soundstage as expansive as the SM3?  dynamic-driver flat FR and huge soundstage sounds very interesting to moi.

 

The only Shure I've heard that sounded good to me was SE210, the rest were probably fakes or something.



 


Edited by kiteki - 11/26/10 at 1:27am
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Looking at my own sound scoring the DDM is right on the borderline at 9.675 but I rounded it off to 9.75. The RE262 is firmly in 9.75 territory. I think these might get spread out more once the SM3 is introduced.



I actually feel that RE252 sounds on the same level as SM3 and SE530/535 beats both. lol Preferences, preferences...

 

 

Really?  Is the soundstage as expansive as the SM3?  dynamic-driver flat FR and huge soundstage sounds very interesting to moi.

 

The only Shure I've heard that sounded good to me was SE210, the rest were probably fakes or something.

 

 

Well, the soundstage on the 252 is pretty good, although I find it a bit closed in sounding. RE252 is every bit as detailed, fast and clear as the SM3 though IMO. SE530/535 have great soundstage on the other hand - very full sized headphone like.  And the Shures also have great dynamics. SM3 is not quite as good in these aspects IMO.

 

lol You definitely need to hear a genuine SE530/SE535. SE210 sounds crap by comparison - no treble, little bass, bad soundstage. SE530 is several leagues ahead and remains the best IEM I've heard to date. I find its sound to be the most natural and closest to "being there" than any other IEM I've tried. However, I found the fit of the Shures to be a huge pain the arse, at least for my ears, I could literally only get them to fit my ears right maybe 5 times out of 100+. And when you don't get a good fit with them, their sound is ranging from unimpressive to downright terrible. But with the right fit, they are absolutely brilliant 'phones.

 

Oh yeah, so maybe your issue with the other Shures was the fit - like I said it's just horrible. It's not that they don't seal well or are uncomfortable, but it's that they don't fit right in order for the sound to enter the ears properly and thus even if you think that you got a good fit, chances that if you think SE530/535 sounds bad/unimpressive - you didn't.


Edited by Pianist - 11/26/10 at 1:50am
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The upcoming Gilmore X2 with DAC might just be my solution for an amp for IEMs. It should be out early 2011, but I still can't shake the fear of what I experienced with the Gilmore Lite. I experienced no difference in audio with or without the Lite in the chain many years ago, and swore off solid state amps from there on (which has been reinforced by listening to other SS amps as time has passed). WA6 might be the only answer unless another tube amp maker has something with ultra low noise floor.
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Oh yeah, so maybe your issue with the other Shures was the fit - like I said it's just horrible. It's not that they don't seal well or are uncomfortable, but it's that they don't fit right in order for the sound to enter the ears properly and thus even if you think that you got a good fit, chances that if you think SE530/535 sounds bad/unimpressive - you didn't.

 

I have small to average sized ears and the demo models of the SE530 and SE4XX something I tried had large tips so they didn't fit very well at all, but irrespective of fit they sounded very average to me.  I was certainly confused when I demo'ed a crossroads HR1 earbud directly afterwards and it sounded near-identical in sound signature like it was the exact same driver inside or something but I didn't say anything out of politeness to the shopfront.

 

Chances are you are correct, since I found the 210 better than 535.

 

SE210 had the most natural armature sound I've heard to date with clean timbre and fresh clarity in mids and highs, but it also had the weakest bass I've ever heard in my life, only someone that doesn't care for bass in the slightest or has music completely devoid of bass could enjoy the 210 as their primary IEM.

 

 

 

 

 

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Joker, the RE262 review is one of your best reads to date, jolly good descriptions there IMHO

 

When amped, the RE262 sounds even bigger and the soundstage seems to lose its outer limits – something even the stadium-sized sonic space of the IE8 can’t quite pull off.
 
the RE262 is an incredibly capable earphone with a fairly unique sound signature.
 
Pros: Immersive presentation, seductive midrange, smooth and effortless sound; can be worn over-the-ear
 
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I actually feel that RE252 sounds on the same level as SM3 and SE530/535 beats both. lol Preferences, preferences...

 

Really?  Is the soundstage as expansive as the SM3?  dynamic-driver flat FR and huge soundstage sounds very interesting to moi.

 

Well, the soundstage on the 252 is pretty good, although I find it a bit closed in sounding

     Oh, I thought you were referring to the soundstage, i.e. it's on the same level as SM3 in respect to it's main assets.

 

I somehow don't think RE252 can serve as a replacement/upgrade over CK10 for me based on what I've read so far, and it's looks like a gummy bear versus jewellery, hmm oh well then =p

 

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I noticed you have CM700 in your signature, any thoughts on it?  I've found a good price on a new pair, and they're almost out of stock, everyone needs a high-tier armature, dynamic, and earbud.  Personally I think earbuds have a few sonic assets IEM's cannot replicate.

 

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Looking at my own sound scoring the DDM is right on the borderline at 9.675 but I rounded it off to 9.75. The RE262 is firmly in 9.75 territory. I think these might get spread out more once the SM3 is introduced.



I actually feel that RE252 sounds on the same level as SM3 and SE530/535 beats both. lol Preferences, preferences...

 

 

Really?  Is the soundstage as expansive as the SM3?  dynamic-driver flat FR and huge soundstage sounds very interesting to moi.

 

The only Shure I've heard that sounded good to me was SE210, the rest were probably fakes or something.

 

The RE262 is big but it seems more spread-out than the SM3. The SM3 is somehow capable of filling its entire soundstage whereas with the RE262 there's a definite division between 'near' and 'far' (as there is with most earphones). Both are a step above the 252 in terms of soundstage and especially headstage IMO - the RE252 has good width but only moderate depth and doesn't quite sound as 'out-of-the-head'. In terms of signature I probably like the RE252 best out of the three but I have to admit that the RE262 driver is more capable and the SM3 is just tuned so it has no real weaknesses. 



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Joker, the RE262 review is one of your best reads to date, jolly good descriptions there IMHO


Thanks beerchug.gif


Edited by ljokerl - 11/26/10 at 2:55am
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Now I fully understand the difference between "sibilance" and "pierce". =p

 

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Edit:  My ears are ringing more than usual.

 

I can't tell if you like them or not tongue.gif

 

Lest I forget, the EX700's have been fully burnt-in by prev. user in an attempt to tame them, and I am personally inclined to forgive sibilance out of respect to what those frequency peaks are trying to achieve, or rather delivering on a two-sided coin with irrevocable positive/negative traits.  In the same light as the ~6khz peak on the EX700's, I also love the ~10khz peak on the CK10's, and therefore am not very interested in the DBA-02's.

 

The 16mm dynamic driver sounds vastly different than a dual-armature imho, and better than most of my gear, but a half-hour listening impression is what it is. (I might hate them after 7 hr's)

 

The EX1000 with it's FR graph even peakier then the EX700 seems to have most inclined to look away, but with the same multi-layered liquid crystal polymer as in the Z1000 which has received a couple rave reviews compared to other HP flagships, I can only hope the EX1000's enter your list after the price has come down to sanity, or EX600/800 if they use the same driver material. =]  (liquid-crystal + 16mm + over-ear design, an IEM like that deserves a place in the joker list, is all I'm saying =p)


Edited by kiteki - 11/26/10 at 3:39am
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The EX1000 with it's FR graph even peakier then the EX700 seems to have most inclined to look away, but with the same multi-layered liquid crystal polymer as in the Z1000 which has received a couple rave reviews compared to other HP flagships, I can only hope the EX1000's enter your list after the price has come down to sanity, or EX600/800 if they use the same driver material. =]  (liquid-crystal + 16mm + over-ear design, an IEM like that deserves a place in the joker list, is all I'm saying =p)



Interestingly enough, I find the EX1000's slightly weak at the higher frequencies, it just isn't as detailed as the ER4S, but still very, very good. As you said, once the price has come down to a sanity level, then I think the EX1000 will be a very interesting competitor in the $250 - $400 range. It is quite good.

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I just wanted to say this thread is just amazing. Absolutely fantastic work - the amount of dedication required for something like this is not very common to say the least!

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Hey Joker, I wonder what you think of SE530/535? Ever heard them? I think they deserve to be reviewed. If you rate Q-jays at 9.25/10, the Shures should be well over 10+. I think that they even beat the SM3, especially in the mids department, providing a lusher, more dynamic sound. Actually, SE530 was the only IEM that made me feel that I am there with the musicians and I mean a vivid feeling of being there. It was really something. The soundstage was super realistic and provided a great sense of distance and space, while the dynamics were completely effortless and timbre was spot on. I remember I plugged them into a computer at a local library one day and listened to an 80s Pop Hits CD and I was just totally blown away. I was literally sitting there with a stunned expression on my face and everyone looked at me like I was crazy or something. smily_headphones1.gif But unfortunately IEMs with such thin nozzles just don't fit my ears well and getting such good sound out of the Shures was nearly impossible for me. But damn, that sound... I had them for over a year trying to get a good fit and to experience that amazing sound again, but alas, that almost never happened. frown.gif


Edited by Pianist - 11/26/10 at 8:36am
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@Pianist: I will assume that's the reason why you go out and try different IEMs? 

 

All this talk about the SM3 is piquing my interest in it again, but Joker, what do you mean by "capable?"  Oh and between the SM3 and RE262 which one do you prefer?

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@Pianist: I will assume that's the reason why you go out and try different IEMs? 

 

All this talk about the SM3 is piquing my interest in it again, but Joker, what do you mean by "capable?"  Oh and between the SM3 and RE262 which one do you prefer?


Yeah, I've since been trying to find an IEM that will my ears better and have the glorious sound of SE530, but haven't found one yet unfortunately. The closest thing I came across so far is probably the Q-jays, but they are still significantly behind SE530 in sound quality. They do fit my ears really well though and sound consistent, which is what I like best about them - they always sound good to me, whereas SE530 sound ranged from brilliant to horrible. Most other IEMs I've tried also sounded different each time I put them in. I also tried customs (the ES3X). It didn't fit me right the first time and god knows how many refits I would need to do to make the fit good.  I guess I am just really unlucky that my ear canals are so oddly shaped. frown.gif


Edited by Pianist - 11/26/10 at 11:43am
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@Pianist: I will assume that's the reason why you go out and try different IEMs? 

 

All this talk about the SM3 is piquing my interest in it again, but Joker, what do you mean by "capable?"  Oh and between the SM3 and RE262 which one do you prefer?


Yeah, I've since been trying to find an IEM that will my ears better and have the glorious sound of SE530, but haven't found one yet unfortunately. The closest thing I came across so far is probably the Q-jays, but they are still significantly behind SE530 in sound quality. They do fit my ears really well though and sound consistent, which is what I like best about them - they always sound good to me, whereas SE530 sound ranged from brilliant to horrible. Most other IEMs I've tried also sounded different each time I put them in. I also tried customs (the ES3X). It didn't fit me right the first time and god knows how many refits I would need to do to make the fit good.  I guess I am just really unlucky that my ear canals are so oddly shaped. frown.gif

 

What about Etymotics?  They look pretty small.
 

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