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I know this is a long-shot, but is there a dynamic-driver, more acoustic sounding equivalent to the CK10's?  I like the ck10's a lot, but if there is such an IEM (or earbud) I think it would be ideal for me, so I thought I'd check in case such an item exists, or if anyone has had a similiar line of thought.  Thanks in advance.

 


Just a guess here.  RE252?

 

 

Thanks anax, I'll read up on them.  What is your taste in music, btw?

 

You had the ck10's briefly and sold them right? how come? 

 

 


Edited by kiteki - 11/23/10 at 12:15am
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Well I officially cast off full size headphones, just now. You guys might be seeing more of me in the IEM section. It's ironic I used to bad mouth IEMs because of my bad experience with a pair of early Shures, and the Q-Jays, but now I've cast my lot for IEMs. I'm not sure where I'll start, either trying to find my tastes in the universal mid to high range, or go straight for a high end custom and hope and pray my choice is right. I'm glad to have a resource like this thread, and the many regular posters in this and other IEM threads. A little pre-thanks, guys. smily_headphones1.gif


Well, i'd like to welcome you to the dark side but I really feel that IEMs are the lesser of two evils compared to full-size cans. Also, us portable forum folk are generally more agreeable tongue.gif.

 

If you plan to start with universals I'd consider the SM3 but of course I'm not personally familiar with your signature preferences. It's a good all-rounder without any serious turn-offs (that I can hear) and I do feel that it is an IEM capable of incredibly intimacy without losing too much presence at the outer limits of its soundstage, in contrast to something like the IE8 which has a humongous stage but struggles with both intimacy and limitlessly portraying distance.

 

 

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I know this is a long-shot, but is there a dynamic-driver, more acoustic sounding equivalent to the CK10's?  I like the ck10's a lot, but if there is such an IEM (or earbud) I think it would be ideal for me, so I thought I'd check in case such an item exists, or if anyone has had a similiar line of thought.  Thanks in advance.

 


What exactly do you mean by 'acoustic-sounding'? If you're after a more natural timbre than nearly any dynamic will do it but you will most likely lose the speed and microdetail of the CK10. You need to figure out what you're trying to gain and what you're willing to sacrifice. The CK10 is the right set for me (or at least has been thus far) since I am not willing to sacrifice imaging, transparency, speed, or microdetail but of course only a few here share my listening preferences to the dot.

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Well I officially cast off full size headphones, just now. You guys might be seeing more of me in the IEM section. It's ironic I used to bad mouth IEMs because of my bad experience with a pair of early Shures, and the Q-Jays, but now I've cast my lot for IEMs. I'm not sure where I'll start, either trying to find my tastes in the universal mid to high range, or go straight for a high end custom and hope and pray my choice is right. I'm glad to have a resource like this thread, and the many regular posters in this and other IEM threads. A little pre-thanks, guys. smily_headphones1.gif


As someone who is well versed in your acoustic preferences I say go for customs.  You should use your headphone knowledge and look for a signature that lines up w/ your preference as much as possible.  I recommend you head straight to customs if you are looking purely at sound.  If you are looking for non SQ related attributes that universals can bring then don't make the quick jump.  If you like the laid back but balanced Senn sound of your 600's perhaps the JH13 or 3A/16 would be the way to go if money is no object.  My 2 cents.  Then again, ask yourself if it's about the journey or the destination.  wink_face.gif   


I think I might start with a few universals just to get my feet wet, but quickly move to customs. The part that has me worried about customs, especially jumping right in, is if I choose poorly, the resale will be worse and more difficult. In an ideal situation I would have a good enough grasp on different IEM signatures to make an informed choice on my customs. If I had to choose right now it would really just be a guess. After the revelation I've just had, excuse me if I don't put any faith at all in full size to IEM signature comparisons. At this point they mean nothing to me. I really feel like I'm starting from scratch, which is nice, but also frustrating. It took several years to get to where I knew exactly where I wanted to be with full size cans. I think I can make the move in IEMs faster, but starting the process again is a bit daunting.

Thanks for the suggestions, both you and Eraser. HeadphoneAddict also recommended the Westone ES5 in the realm of customs.
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What exactly do you mean by 'acoustic-sounding'? If you're after a more natural timbre than nearly any dynamic will do it but you will most likely lose the speed and microdetail of the CK10. You need to figure out what you're trying to gain and what you're willing to sacrifice. The CK10 is the right set for me (or at least has been thus far) since I am not willing to sacrifice imaging, transparency, speed, or microdetail but of course only a few here share my listening preferences to the dot.


I mean I'm just curious what the closest dynamic-driver IEM to the CK10 is. =p

 

Yes I'm after a more natural and lifelike timbre.  I can sacrifice a little speed and microdetail, I'd like to keep the excellent imaging, mids, highs and flat FR feeling, oh and comfort and isolation. =p

 

I can also just compliment the CK10's with another high-end IEM, in which case I'll just go for something that excels at the opposite genres to my ck10's, and I won't mind if they have weaknesses such as mid spikes or are overly raw sounding.

 

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I mean I'm just curious what the closest dynamic-driver IEM to the CK10 is. =p

 

Yes I'm after a more natural and lifelike timbre.  I can sacrifice a little speed and microdetail, I'd like to keep the excellent imaging, mids, highs and flat FR feeling, oh and comfort and isolation. =p

 

I can also just compliment the CK10's with another high-end IEM, in which case I'll just go for something that excels at the opposite genres to my ck10's, and I won't mind if they have weaknesses such as mid spikes or are overly raw sounding.

 


Closest would probably be the RE252, as Anaxilus said, but there's several that share key characteristics. You also don't have to stray from BAs to have a more natural sound, though it helps. Personally I think that the CK10 is weakest with female vocals as well as tone-dependent instruments such as piano, sax, and woodwinds. If you're looking for a compliment to the CK10 rather than a replacement perhaps something that does those well would be a good place to start - the Monster MD comes to mind, for example. 

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Closest would probably be the RE252, as Anaxilus said, but there's several that share key characteristics. You also don't have to stray from BAs to have a more natural sound, though it helps. Personally I think that the CK10 is weakest with female vocals as well as tone-dependent instruments such as piano, sax, and woodwinds. If you're looking for a compliment to the CK10 rather than a replacement perhaps something that does those well would be a good place to start - the Monster MD comes to mind, for example. 


Ah, I thought perhaps I haven't spent enough time with them yet, but I'm glad you agree their lesser strengths lie in female vocals and piano and such, and not that I'm just being picky or inept at hearing any sombre natural tones or seductive lifelike female vocals in them. (:  For violin I have not decided yet, it lingers between amazing and too smooth, or too shrill with a bright source like my blu-ray player (cd's).

 

I am liking them more and more, I was not a fan of the smooth mids and I recognized it's similarity to the k701's which I do not like, but I am getting used to it, I think I like them too much to experiment with a replacement but we'll see, they are afterall, exceptional in what they excel at, excellent with electronica and trance, and have a true studio-monitor -like flat FR which requires zero eq'ing.

 

For compliments I'll check out the Monster MD, thanks, even though I don't like jazz =p.  I see Anax is using them, I am also close to pulling the trigger on the ATH CM700 which seem very interesting and almost out of stock these days.

 

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I think I might start with a few universals just to get my feet wet, but quickly move to customs. The part that has me worried about customs, especially jumping right in, is if I choose poorly, the resale will be worse and more difficult. In an ideal situation I would have a good enough grasp on different IEM signatures to make an informed choice on my customs. If I had to choose right now it would really just be a guess. After the revelation I've just had, excuse me if I don't put any faith at all in full size to IEM signature comparisons. At this point they mean nothing to me. I really feel like I'm starting from scratch, which is nice, but also frustrating. It took several years to get to where I knew exactly where I wanted to be with full size cans. I think I can make the move in IEMs faster, but starting the process again is a bit daunting.Thanks for the suggestions, both you and Eraser. HeadphoneAddict also recommended the Westone ES5 in the realm of customs.


 

Something to consider is if possible try to demo the customs you are interested in. If you have some local meets there might be a representative from JHA, Westone, etc. who might have some demos of their customs. Also if any of their recommended audiologists is close by you can call them to see if they have any demo sets you can listen to. The good thing about universals is that you can judge if they are for you while suffering very little loss if you buy used. With customs you have to buy in faith that they will be for you. If they are not then you either suffer a big loss (they are not cheap and usually rule of thumb is that resale value is 50% MSRP or less) or are just stuck with them. I feel choosing a couple of universal earphones to find out what you like and then go for customs is a good way to go if you haven't used many earphones in the past.

 

Also you may want to see if you can acquire some loaner earphones for the pure intention of trying them out for a couple weeks from head-fi members who would loan them to you. Something else is to see if there are any stores where you can visit that have earphones you can audition.

 

 

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Keep up? You give me too much credit. I've got a list of companies I'd like to contact for review purposes and that list is filling up about 4x faster than I'm working through it. And that's not counting well-known brands that are due to release new gear (Nuforce, MEE, etc). Soon I will have to start discriminating (gasp) between the sets I choose to review.

 

Interestingly, one of the ways is keeping  an eye on the google ads on sites I visit since I pretty much only get headphone-related ads.

 

Maybe there are way too many companies popping up but you do a much better job at keeping up than I do. Since you and ClieOS are the two main people responsible for me knowing as much of the market as I do I think you are keeping up just fine ;p Of course I don't get google ads or really pay attention much since my desire for acquiring universals has pretty much ended although there are times when someone has caught my eye but I'd rather audition/loan them than buy them for the pure intention of selling them.


Edited by rawrster - 11/23/10 at 7:13am
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I've checked with all the major brands of customs. None of them have units to audition in my area, and the only meet we have is on the smallish side. We never have any vendors except the person who organizes the meet because he happens to live there (Alex of APureSound, Dallas). I'll see where CanJam is next year, but I don't know if I can afford the trip just to pick out a custom IEM.
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As someone who is well versed in your acoustic preferences I say go for customs.  You should use your headphone knowledge and look for a signature that lines up w/ your preference as much as possible.  I recommend you head straight to customs if you are looking purely at sound.  If you are looking for non SQ related attributes that universals can bring then don't make the quick jump.  If you like the laid back but balanced Senn sound of your 600's perhaps the JH13 or 3A/16 would be the way to go if money is no object.  My 2 cents.  Then again, ask yourself if it's about the journey or the destination.  wink_face.gif   


I think I might start with a few universals just to get my feet wet, but quickly move to customs. The part that has me worried about customs, especially jumping right in, is if I choose poorly, the resale will be worse and more difficult. In an ideal situation I would have a good enough grasp on different IEM signatures to make an informed choice on my customs. If I had to choose right now it would really just be a guess. After the revelation I've just had, excuse me if I don't put any faith at all in full size to IEM signature comparisons. At this point they mean nothing to me. I really feel like I'm starting from scratch, which is nice, but also frustrating. It took several years to get to where I knew exactly where I wanted to be with full size cans. I think I can make the move in IEMs faster, but starting the process again is a bit daunting.Thanks for the suggestions, both you and Eraser. HeadphoneAddict also recommended the Westone ES5 in the realm of customs.


I could be happy with the ES5 as my one and only headphone on a desert island.

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Thanks anax, I'll read up on them.  What is your taste in music, btw?

 

You had the ck10's briefly and sold them right? how come? 


Jazz, Hip/Hop, RnB, Rap, Blues, Classic rock, Swamp rock, Prog rock, Heavy Metal, Speed Metal, Death Metal, Alternative, Grunge, Ska, Classic Country, non-popish Modern Country, 80's (New Wave, Rock, Pop, Goth, Punk, Hip/hop), Disco, Foreign, Electronic, Trance, Baroque, Classical, Romantic, Opera, Reggae, Dub music (not to be confused w/ Dubstep, jury is out on that one), Big Band era, Classic and Modern folk to name a few.  There is no bad musical taste or genre, just bad musicians IMO.  I'm still waiting to hear a good Dubstep musician though.  wink.gif  

 

 

I simply got a fuller, more natural sound w/ my DBA's w/o the CK10 treble spike and fatigue at almost half the cost.  That's basically it.  It was pretty close though.  I like a natural type of full bodied sound that both the DBA and MDs give me in two completely different ways for different occasions.  YMMV.  


Edited by Anaxilus - 11/23/10 at 8:56pm
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Well, I'm going to start my journey with the RE262 that was offered me in trade for the ipod touch I was selling. Should be a good indicator of what is possible with IEMs.
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That's a good place to start to see what earphones are capable of. Signature aside I consider them to be a pretty good earphone while not being as expensive as other top models although they are not available for sale yet but is rumored to be $249.

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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post

Well, I'm going to start my journey with the RE262 that was offered me in trade for the ipod touch I was selling. Should be a good indicator of what is possible with IEMs.


A great place to start out IMO. Depending on your ears, fit can be a bit tricky so make sure you're getting a good seal; I personally like wearing it over the ear w/ biflanges. Also, don't forget to feed it some power to get the most possible out of them.

 

I've noticed a decent amount of improvement w/ burn-in. I'm at the 50 hr mark, though I've heard 70 hrs is ideal.

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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post

Well, I'm going to start my journey with the RE262 that was offered me in trade for the ipod touch I was selling. Should be a good indicator of what is possible with IEMs.


A great place to start out IMO. Depending on your ears, fit can be a bit tricky so make sure you're getting a good seal; I personally like wearing it over the ear w/ biflanges. Also, don't forget to feed it some power to get the most possible out of them.

 

I've noticed a decent amount of improvement w/ burn-in. I'm at the 50 hr mark, though I've heard 70 hrs is ideal.


I'm usually a biflange guy but the 262 sounded best w/ nice big aperture single flanges.  Helped bring up the treble and remove much of the Sennheiser veil for my ears.  I guess that is one inherent advantage IEMs have over headphones.  At least universals.  The ability to tailor tips and insertion techniques to alter the signature.  Rather than opening up your headphones for every tweak or mod and hunting down pricey if not limited selections of pads.  

 

Yes the 262 like their power.

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x2 on single flanges. Double flanges were hard to insert and get a good seal with. The result usually ended in some frequencies being cut out as they seemed to seal the sound off somewhat. And even when done right, it just didn't work so well with me. These worked well with UE single flanges and generic large bore single flange tips like the stock ones. 


Edited by Inks - 11/24/10 at 1:09pm
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