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post #10591 of 16802
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post


Bass quantity: MH1C > VSD1 > VC02
Bass quality: VC02 > VSD1 >= MH1C

The VC02 has the best balance (least recessed mids), mostly because it has very little bass enhancement. The VSD1 is second, achieving a pretty good balance (IMO) with the mids not overly recessed. The MH1C has the most recessed mids and treble relative to the low end. 

Thx but could you add thr gr02 bass edition instead of vc02 :s
post #10592 of 16802

Is it right if FXT90 has fewer bass quantity than FX40, I wonder?

post #10593 of 16802
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by mechgamer123 View Post

Hi Joker, 

First time poster in your thread and I just wanted to say a huge thanks for this thread. It's because of your thread that I've made all my IEM purchases in the past.

I'm now stuck though. I currently own the GR07, and I like it a lot, but I am in need of an upgrade. I like the slightly elevated sub bass and intimate female vocals and such, but I don't like the few odd dips and spikes in the treble, and the isolation is a bit lacking IMO.

What would you recommend for an upgrade from the GR07 that would be better at isolation and smoother in the treble at or below $400? Possibly the UM3X?

Thank you.

 

If you like the treble quantity (just not the peakiness) of the GR07, you'll probably think the UM3X lacks treble. Isolation is very good.

 

If you don't want to sacrifice that much treble energy, the UE 900 might be a better pick sound-wise, though it's not quite as ergonomic as the UM3X IMO and needs foam tips to get near UM3X levels of isolation. 

 

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Originally Posted by MusicL0ver View Post

Philips Fidelio vs A161P

which one is better for person who listens to a wide range of musics?

 

Probably the S1 - a little more dynamic-sounding and spacious. However, if you need isolation or have small outer ears, definitely go for the A161.

 

 

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Originally Posted by PakoBoy View Post


Thx but could you add thr gr02 bass edition instead of vc02 :s

 

Bass quantity: MH1C >= GR02 BE > VSD1
Bass quality: VSD1 >= MH1C > GR02 BE

The VSD1 has the best balance (least recessed mids). The GR02 BE and MH1C are more recessed in the midrange due to the enhanced bass on both. 

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by FrequencyBlue View Post

Is it right if FXT90 has fewer bass quantity than FX40, I wonder?

 

It's been a while since I had the FX40. I don't remember them being very far apart in bass quantity.

post #10594 of 16802
Oh boy, hope you didn't get a bass bloated version of the MH1C. VC02 has nice bass quantity but little subbass, even less than a lot of single BAs. A good MH1 has a wee bit less bass than XBA3 with similar quality. That's the problem though, the MH1C has QC issues and MH1 requires an adapter
Edited by Inks - 6/14/13 at 12:51am
post #10595 of 16802
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by mechgamer123 View Post

Hi Joker, 
First time poster in your thread and I just wanted to say a huge thanks for this thread. It's because of your thread that I've made all my IEM purchases in the past.
I'm now stuck though. I currently own the GR07, and I like it a lot, but I am in need of an upgrade. I like the slightly elevated sub bass and intimate female vocals and such, but I don't like the few odd dips and spikes in the treble, and the isolation is a bit lacking IMO.
What would you recommend for an upgrade from the GR07 that would be better at isolation and smoother in the treble at or below $400? Possibly the UM3X?
Thank you.

If you like the treble quantity (just not the peakiness) of the GR07, you'll probably think the UM3X lacks treble. Isolation is very good.

If you don't want to sacrifice that much treble energy, the UE 900 might be a better pick sound-wise, though it's not quite as ergonomic as the UM3X IMO and needs foam tips to get near UM3X levels of isolation. 
Hmm, at the moment I'm used to the mad dog, which is a fairly dark headphone, so I might not mind the decreased treble...
How does the UE900 handle female vocals?
post #10596 of 16802
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post

Bass quantity: MH1C >= GR02 BE > VSD1
Bass quality: VSD1 >= MH1C > GR02 BE

The VSD1 has the best balance (least recessed mids). The GR02 BE and MH1C are more recessed in the midrange due to the enhanced bass on both. 

 

Thanks.

looks like no need to get the GR02 BE even at the price of $32 as i already have the MH1 and the VSD1 is on the way.

post #10597 of 16802
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post

 

It's not that, it's just that your rather specific requirements eliminate almost all of the possibilities I can think of.

 

 

But I require just something warm, smooth and balanced with a good bass response and also clarity. In fact it's the popular high-end Sennheiser HD600/650's signature, I wouldn't call it a special expectations... 

post #10598 of 16802

Hey Joker. I was wondering what between the R-50 and the HF5, which has better soundstage and instrument seperation? I'm currently using the Gr07MKII, and would maybe try something new. I was also either thinking of maybe saving up on both and go for maybe the a custom like the 1964 V3? I prefer a good V-shape sound signature however still focusing more on the imaging and instrument separation and slightly foward mids

post #10599 of 16802
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Originally Posted by justblue View Post

 

But I require just something warm, smooth and balanced with a good bass response and also clarity. In fact it's the popular high-end Sennheiser HD600/650's signature, I wouldn't call it a special expectations... 

Perhaps you could email btg-audio to see if they could do the mod for you to turn it into detatchable cables so you could get your own set of cables on there?

post #10600 of 16802

Hi Joker

 

Would you recommend the westone 4r for mainly progressive/hard rock?  I've been going round in a circle trying to decide between the heir 3ai and 4ai (I know you haven't heard/reviewed them) and the 4r (not sure if the ue900 (hate swivel connectors so might rule it out on that alone!) or phonak pf232 would be suitable either).  I listen to music for 5-6 hours a day (at work).  Had the westone 3's and quite liked it until they went through the wash, now they just don't sound the same.  Did find the 3's a little bass heavy for my taste and was wondering if the smoother sound of the 4's would sit well for long period listening? I can get 3-4 albums a day in fairly easily so a non fatiguing sound is obviously important.  Sources would be either an ipod classic or a sansa clip plus mainly (need to keep it simple).  Isolation is also very important to me.


Thanks

post #10601 of 16802

VGP2013 just came out with rankings.  Any thoughts on their winners?  Has anyone heard the Sony XBA-10?

 

http://www.visualgrandprix.com/vgp2013/vgp_p2_12.html

 

 Earbud Headphones (¥ 30,000 or more)  
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Gold
SENNHEISER IE 800  
Silver
SONY XBA-40
Bronze
AKG K3003
Winning
AUDIO-TECHNICA ATH-CK100PRO
Winning
AUDIO-TECHNICA ATH-CKM1000
Winning
DENON AH-C400
Winning
SENNHEISER IE 80


 

- (Less than 30,000 yen 20,000 yen or more) earbud headphones  
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Gold
AUDIO-TECHNICA ATH-CKS1000
Silver
AUDIO-TECHNICA ATH-CK90PROMK2
Bronze
AUDIO-TECHNICA ATH-CKS1000LTD
Winning
DENON AH-C300
Winning
JVC HA-FXZ200
Winning
KLIPSCH Image X10
Winning
KLIPSCH Image X7i
Winning
SONY XBA-30


 

· (¥ 20,000 less than 10,000 yen or more)-ear headphones  
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Gold
JVC HA-FXZ100
Silver
SENNHEISER IE 60
Bronze
SONY XBA-20
Winning
9WAVE NW-STUDIO PRO
Winning
AUDIO-TECHNICA ATH-CKS99
Winning
B & W C5
Winning
BOSE BOSE SIE2 SPORT HEADPHONES
Winning
HARMAN / KARDON harman / kardon AE
Winning
KLIPSCH Image X5
Winning
SONY MDR-XB90EX
Winning
TDK LIFE ON RECORD IE800


 

· (¥ 10,000 less than 5,000 yen or more) earbud headphones  
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Gold
SONY XBA-10
Silver
JVC HA-FXD80
Bronze
AUDIO-TECHNICA ATH-CKM500
Winning
BOSE BOSE IE2 AUDIO HEADPHONES
Winning
JVC HA-FXD70
Winning
KLIPSCH Image S4 II
Winning
PIONEER SE-CL541
Winning
PIONEER SE-CL551
Winning
SENNHEISER CX 685 SPORTS
Winning
SENNHEISER OCX 685i BLACK SPORTS
Winning
SENNHEISER OCX 685i WHITE SPORTS
Winning
SENNHEISER PMX 685i SPORTS
Winning
SENNHEISER PX 685i BLACK SPORTS
Winning
SENNHEISER PX 685i WHITE SPORTS
Winning
SHURE SE215 Special Edition
Winning
THE HOUSE OF MARLEY Redemption Song IE


 

- Earbud Headphones (5,000 yen)  
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Gold
AUDIO-TECHNICA ATH-CKM300
Silver
SONY MDR-XB30EX
Bronze
SENNHEISER MX 375
Winning
BEYERDYNAMIC DTX41iE
Winning
MAXELL HP-CN17
Winning
MAXELL HP-NZ16
Winning
MAXELL HP-RC16
Winning
SENNHEISER CX 175
Winning
SENNHEISER MX 685 SPORTS
Winning
SENNHEISER OMX 185
Winning
THE HOUSE OF MARLEY Smile Jamaica with Mic & Remote
Winning
ZERO AUDIO ZH-DX200-CT
Winning
ZERO AUDIO ZH-DX210-CB
post #10602 of 16802
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Originally Posted by davidcotton View Post

Perhaps you could email btg-audio to see if they could do the mod for you to turn it into detatchable cables so you could get your own set of cables on there?


Before I start playing with cables I have to pick new IEMs (besides, I don't believe in cables wink.gif)


Edited by justblue - 6/14/13 at 1:35pm
post #10603 of 16802

Ah I meant send the mh1s in for the cable mod if you liked the mh1!

post #10604 of 16802
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Inks View Post

Oh boy, hope you didn't get a bass bloated version of the MH1C. VC02 has nice bass quantity but little subbass, even less than a lot of single BAs. A good MH1 has a wee bit less bass than XBA3 with similar quality. That's the problem though, the MH1C has QC issues and MH1 requires an adapter

 

Mine has plenty of bass, mostly subbass. I sent it over to Tyll so there might be a measurement of it up on IF. It is not as tight and controlled as the VC02 but not far behind the VSD1. 

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by mechgamer123 View Post


Hmm, at the moment I'm used to the mad dog, which is a fairly dark headphone, so I might not mind the decreased treble...
How does the UE900 handle female vocals?

 

Pretty well - not as well as something like the Ety ER4S or RE272 but not worse than the SM3 or UM3X IMO. 

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gryphus0204 View Post

Hey Joker. I was wondering what between the R-50 and the HF5, which has better soundstage and instrument seperation? I'm currently using the Gr07MKII, and would maybe try something new. I was also either thinking of maybe saving up on both and go for maybe the a custom like the 1964 V3? I prefer a good V-shape sound signature however still focusing more on the imaging and instrument separation and slightly foward mids

 

The R-50 but realistically the difference between them will be very small. 

 

The V3 sounds very different from the GR07 and even more different from the HF5/R-50. It has a colored, exciting sound to it with plenty of bass. If that sounds like what you are after, I would go for it. 

 

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Originally Posted by davidcotton View Post

Hi Joker

 

Would you recommend the westone 4r for mainly progressive/hard rock?  I've been going round in a circle trying to decide between the heir 3ai and 4ai (I know you haven't heard/reviewed them) and the 4r (not sure if the ue900 (hate swivel connectors so might rule it out on that alone!) or phonak pf232 would be suitable either).  I listen to music for 5-6 hours a day (at work).  Had the westone 3's and quite liked it until they went through the wash, now they just don't sound the same.  Did find the 3's a little bass heavy for my taste and was wondering if the smoother sound of the 4's would sit well for long period listening? I can get 3-4 albums a day in fairly easily so a non fatiguing sound is obviously important.  Sources would be either an ipod classic or a sansa clip plus mainly (need to keep it simple).  Isolation is also very important to me.


Thanks

 

Isn't the PFE 232 discontinued? It is closer in signature to your W3s than the UE900 or even W4. In terms of bass quantity, I would say W3 >= PFE232 > W4 >= UE 900 (with the W4/UE900 having more or less "balanced" amounts of bass). I think the UE900 is very non-fatiguing without sacrificing treble energy and I like its sound with rock. The W4 doesn't bother me either. I can listen to it for a long time. Can't say the same for the W3 and PFE232. 

post #10605 of 16802
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post

 

Isn't the PFE 232 discontinued? It is closer in signature to your W3s than the UE900 or even W4. In terms of bass quantity, I would say W3 >= PFE232 > W4 >= UE 900 (with the W4/UE900 having more or less "balanced" amounts of bass). I think the UE900 is very non-fatiguing without sacrificing treble energy and I like its sound with rock. The W4 doesn't bother me either. I can listen to it for a long time. Can't say the same for the W3 and PFE232. 

 

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by davidcotton View Post

Hi Joker

 

Would you recommend the westone 4r for mainly progressive/hard rock?  I've been going round in a circle trying to decide between the heir 3ai and 4ai (I know you haven't heard/reviewed them) and the 4r (not sure if the ue900 (hate swivel connectors so might rule it out on that alone!) or phonak pf232 would be suitable either).  I listen to music for 5-6 hours a day (at work).  Had the westone 3's and quite liked it until they went through the wash, now they just don't sound the same.  Did find the 3's a little bass heavy for my taste and was wondering if the smoother sound of the 4's would sit well for long period listening? I can get 3-4 albums a day in fairly easily so a non fatiguing sound is obviously important.  Sources would be either an ipod classic or a sansa clip plus mainly (need to keep it simple).  Isolation is also very important to me.


Thanks

 

Agree with joker, PFE 232 is a bit lighter on bass but it's brighter in treble. More treble quantity. PFE 232 and Westone 4r isolate pretty well with 4r has the upper hand in isolation.

If you want non fatigue sound, then probably 4r since the some find that the treble is a bit bright on the PFE 232. The treble on 4r is more neutral.

I think I'm right. Hopefully someone can verify this about Westone 4r.

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