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Originally Posted by Jozurr View Post
 

 

Hi Joker,

 

Do you think the TDK BA-200 would be a better fit than the EPH100SL as an upgrade from the MH1c? The fit of the MH1C is what is putting me off completely and I can hardly wear them. However I do like the signature. A little more mids/bass is fine as long as the treble is smooth.

 

Sorry, the BA-200 continues to elude me - I've never heard it. The RBH EP1 reminded me of an upgraded MH1C when I tried it but I'd have to spend more time with it for more specific impressions. I also didn't think it was quite as good as the EPH-100 overall. 

 

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SteelSeries Flux in-ear $25

PRO version $75

EDIT: It's from Amazon

I also posted on DEALS III thread.DEALS III

 

Wow, that's very impressive, especially for the Flux. Also makes the Flux Pro more or less competitive with the UE 600.

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Wow, that's very impressive, especially for the Flux. Also makes the Flux Pro more or less competitive with the UE 600.

After your glowing review I placed it in my "Save for Later" cart on Amazon. When I saw the price change notification, I immediately pulled the trigger. Excited to get them in 2 days with Prime shipping!
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After your glowing review I placed it in my "Save for Later" cart on Amazon. When I saw the price change notification, I immediately pulled the trigger. Excited to get them in 2 days with Prime shipping!

 

I'd be curious as to your thoughts. Hopefully I'm not crazy with these - the few people who did buy them on my recommendation (at full price) seemed pleased, but there's certainly no hype or buzz or whatnot, which is almost too bad. I still use these with my phone because the MH1C's cable bugs me.  

post #12139 of 15304
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Added a short custom IEM buyer's guide outlining six of the sets I like best here.

post #12140 of 15304

Hello,

 

I'm looking for an IEM that has a slightly stronger bass emphasis than the W4R, neutral mids and a slightly lower treble peak. Any suggestions?

 

I used to own the GR07 BEs and have been thinking about re-buying them. I see VSONIC, however, has a new line up coming so I've been reluctant to pull the trigger on them again.


Edited by Change is Good - 11/24/13 at 4:55pm
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Originally Posted by Change is Good View Post

Hello,

I'm looking for an IEM that has a slightly stronger bass emphasis than the W4R, neutral mids and a slightly lower treble peak. Any suggestions?

I used to own the GR07 BEs and have been thinking about re-buying them. I see VSONIC, however, has a new line up coming so I've been reluctant to pull the trigger on them again.

What is your budget and are you looking for universal or custom IEM?
post #12142 of 15304
Oh, sorry... my budget is $350 and would rather stick to universals.

I have, howevever, been reading up on the custom 1964-Qs at the $500 range.

I'm looking for an IEM with a similar sound to that of my newly acquired SRH1540 for on the go. So, all suggestions under the $500 range will be greatly appreciated, both universal and custom.
Edited by Change is Good - 11/24/13 at 5:28pm
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I'm looking for a comparable replacement for my Phonak PFE 022s, I had the grey filters but I much preferred the green.  Phonak is no longer manufacturing these (sad).

- The bass was just about perfect for me, I wouldn't want to go much less than the PFE 012/022, but I don't need to go a ton more either

- I would like a bit bigger sound stage, but this is ancillary

- Comfort was amazing, this is huge for me

- Mic/ + 1-button control was very handy

- I got VERY little fatigue from these, I am prone to fatigue when the highs are too pronounced.

- I've grown to prefer over-the-ear

- Looking to spend $100ish

 

I'm waiting to hear some reviews on the HiSound BA100.  I know that's in the queue, so I'll be patient.  If anyone has heard the PFE 022's and knows of a similar off the top of their head, I would love to hear your recommendations.

 

If it helps, I went back to listening to my Xears TD II 100 Titans, and my ears are mourning the loss of my PFE 022's.

 

I've been a long-time lurker here, and I love this thread, I've been sending people to it for years now, so thanks for that Joker.

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I just want to bestow a HUGE thank you for making this thread. Working my way through it but wow - just unbelievably enlightening. Thank you for helping this luddite up his game dramatically. 

 
--Dan
post #12145 of 15304
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Originally Posted by Change is Good View Post
 

Hello,

 

I'm looking for an IEM that has a slightly stronger bass emphasis than the W4R, neutral mids and a slightly lower treble peak. Any suggestions?

 

I used to own the GR07 BEs and have been thinking about re-buying them. I see VSONIC, however, has a new line up coming so I've been reluctant to pull the trigger on them again.

 

There aren't many details available on the new VSonic lineup yet. The performance of the upcoming sets is still a total mystery.

 

Sounds like GR07 BE is still a good choice for you, especially at the current $130 price. The only alternative I can think of with neutral mids and bass qty similar to the VSonics is the Philips Fidelio S2, which I don't really recommend over the GR07s now that the GR07s are down to $130.

 

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Originally Posted by tehmightynapkin View Post
 

I'm looking for a comparable replacement for my Phonak PFE 022s, I had the grey filters but I much preferred the green.  Phonak is no longer manufacturing these (sad).

- The bass was just about perfect for me, I wouldn't want to go much less than the PFE 012/022, but I don't need to go a ton more either

- I would like a bit bigger sound stage, but this is ancillary

- Comfort was amazing, this is huge for me

- Mic/ + 1-button control was very handy

- I got VERY little fatigue from these, I am prone to fatigue when the highs are too pronounced.

- I've grown to prefer over-the-ear

- Looking to spend $100ish

 

I'm waiting to hear some reviews on the HiSound BA100.  I know that's in the queue, so I'll be patient.  If anyone has heard the PFE 022's and knows of a similar off the top of their head, I would love to hear your recommendations.

 

If it helps, I went back to listening to my Xears TD II 100 Titans, and my ears are mourning the loss of my PFE 022's.

 

I've been a long-time lurker here, and I love this thread, I've been sending people to it for years now, so thanks for that Joker.

 

The PFE was one of the best earphones in that price range so it's not going to be easy to match.

 

The BA100 has much more in common with a gray-filtered PFE than a green-filtered one, so it's not a good fit for you. Your best bet might be the SteelSeries Flux In-Ear Pro that's currently on sale for $75 (normally $120 or so). It's still a little more neutral than the 022 (green filters) but the bass quantity shouldn't be far behind and it's got the right form factor and feature set for you, plus very smooth treble. 

 

Other options would be

-Shure SE215 - over-the-ear form factor, mic available as optional accessory, but has more bass than 022 and isn't quite as comfortable for me

-SteelSeries Flux (non-Pro) - these have the right amount of bass (more than the Flux Pro, a little more than the PFE022) but have a conventional form factor (can be worn over-the-ear, but not as easily as the Flux Pro) and a slightly more v-shaped sound to them. They're just $25 on sale right now, though

-Sony MH1C - better signature match than SE215 with even smoother treble but again might be too bassy for you, like the Shures, and can't really be worn over-the-ear

 

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I just want to bestow a HUGE thank you for making this thread. Working my way through it but wow - just unbelievably enlightening. Thank you for helping this luddite up his game dramatically. 

 
--Dan
 

 

Glad the thread is coming in handy :beerchug:

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Wait you don't wear your Shures over the ear? I know they're different but I assume the shells are the same from the 215 to the 535 - I feel like the only way to wear those is over. Heck even on my old EC2s I'd wear them over. 

 

Also - where does Shure come up with the "37db" isolation nonsense from? Don't get me wrong, I love my 535s, but I find it impossible to believe that they do a better job of isolating than any CIEM would (which we all know is on the order of ~26db).

 

--Dan


Edited by bfettd - 11/25/13 at 1:49am
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Wait you don't wear your shure's over the ear? I know they're different but I assume the shells are the same from the 215 to the 535 - I feel like the only way to wear those if over. Heck even on my old EC2s I'd wear them over. 

Also - where the heck does Shure come up with the "37db" isolation nonsense from? Don't get me wrong, I love my 535s, but I find it impossible to believe that they do a better job of isolating than any CIEM would (which we all know is on the order of ~26db).

--Dan

Read it again, slowly.

They're probably quoting their measurements and that's their peak value. Just an example; if they reach 37dB of attenuation on let's say 4kHz, the isolation down at 125Hz might be "only" 28dB. And a semi hollow acrylic shell should not give the same isolation as a pretty solid shell with triple flanges or compact foam. Those two should attenuate more.
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Originally Posted by MoonYeol View Post


Read it again, slowly.

They're probably quoting their measurements and that's their peak value. Just an example; if they reach 37dB of attenuation on let's say 4kHz, the isolation down at 125Hz might be "only" 28dB. And a semi hollow acrylic shell should not give the same isolation as a pretty solid shell with triple flanges or compact foam. Those two should attenuate more.

 

Totally spot on and I can't believe that I'm suffering from the same complex I dislike in others: not reading far enough into the material. 

 

Although I have no experience with CIEMs (yet) and I don't have a background in material science - the idea that foam (which is naturally pretty airy) or flanges (again, thin material on the actual flange) would attentuate more than a custom-fit and molded shell seems unintuitive to me. If that is the case, it makes me seriously reconsider the entire premise of CIEMs (isolation is a big factor to me). My annoyance with holding my IEMs in while I wait for the foam to expand seems like it's not worth upgrading to the convenience of how quickly CIEMs can be placed in if the overall attentuation is better with the foam/flange on universals.

 

--Dan

post #12149 of 15304
Just by guessing I would say that foam and acrylic shells have different attenuation profiles and could also create different bone conductions so that they sound a bit different when you have them in? Or maybe I'm wrong. Anyway, think of sound attenuation the same way you do about dressing children when it's cold.
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Originally Posted by MoonYeol View Post

Just by guessing I would say that foam and acrylic shells have different attenuation profiles and could also create different bone conductions so that they sound a bit different when you have them in? Or maybe I'm wrong. Anyway, think of sound attenuation the same way you do about dressing children when it's cold.

 

Can't speak to the first part because I just don't know (but good thinking - I know who to ask). As for the kids thing - I don't get it? Forgive me for being obtuse, too young to have kids (well, too immature anyway).

 

--Dan

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