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post #12811 of 15275
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post
 

 

In that price range, purely for sound quality and with a mic, I like the Philips Fidelio S1 better than the A161P.

 

Compared to the RE-400, the S1 has better bass depth and more bass overall. Its upper midrange and treble are more energetic whereas the RE-400 is smoother and more laid-back up top with a warmer overall tone. The S1 also has a wider soundstage than the RE-400.

Hi ljokerl,

 

I ordered S1 and listened to it for couple of days but I'm returning it. Unfortunately they didn't sound better than A161p to my ear. They have too much bass. It's OK for guitar, rock and metal music but jazz trios sound rather disappointing. I mean double bass and drums are all over piano notes for instance. Plus I felt smooth lower end made highs sound harsh at higher volume, trumpet especially sounds unpleasant.

While sound stage does appear to be wider I felt instrument separation wasn't as good as in A161p. Plus A161p gives you so much more detail.

Maybe I'm on BA side in BA vs DD battle? I don't know.

 

Anyway, I'm back listening on A161p and I hope they will survive few more months but I still wander, where do I go when they die? The have the best sound I came across but poor build quality in comparison to other sets at that price point.

Should I try etys HF2 next, or some dual driver BA? What would you consider an upgrade from A161p, with similar characteristic, preferably with mic, but I guess I might have to give up on mic at the end.

 

i appreciate your response!

post #12812 of 15275
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Originally Posted by Chude Mleko View Post
 

Hi ljokerl,

 

I ordered S1 and listened to it for couple of days but I'm returning it. Unfortunately they didn't sound better than A161p to my ear. They have too much bass. It's OK for guitar, rock and metal music but jazz trios sound rather disappointing. I mean double bass and drums are all over piano notes for instance. Plus I felt smooth lower end made highs sound harsh at higher volume, trumpet especially sounds unpleasant.

While sound stage does appear to be wider I felt instrument separation wasn't as good as in A161p. Plus A161p gives you so much more detail.

Maybe I'm on BA side in BA vs DD battle? I don't know.

 

Anyway, I'm back listening on A161p and I hope they will survive few more months but I still wander, where do I go when they die? The have the best sound I came across but poor build quality in comparison to other sets at that price point.

Should I try etys HF2 next, or some dual driver BA? What would you consider an upgrade from A161p, with similar characteristic, preferably with mic, but I guess I might have to give up on mic at the end.

 

i appreciate your response!

 

    hf2 will kill your bass , ruler flat bass , if you can do with that , go for hf2 any day , or you can opt for re-400 , rha ma-750 , in BA's you can go for gr-01 , ba-200 . if you are not looking for bass nor high , just clarity and separation , go for re-400 .

post #12813 of 15275

ljokerl:

apologies if you've answered this already, but on your 1-10 quality scale, where would you put the philips fidelio s1/s2?

many thanks,

lj

post #12814 of 15275
Chide Mleko, if you like balanced jazz trio sound I think you're going to like the Ety Hf2. If you prefer slightly better high frequency extension then go for Ety ER4PT instead. If you like a little fun sound signature with excellent detail and better bass extension but not bloated then go for Phonak PFE232. Jazz trio also sound very good with the PFE232 too and I find them to be very vers atile actually. It produces very nice sound with whatever I throw at it but if you prefer a more forward mid and a flatter sound signature then go for the Ety ER4PT instead. The PFE232 is going on sale at Amazon around $390 which is excellent value. It used to be priced at $600.
Edited by Francisk - 2/3/14 at 4:09pm
post #12815 of 15275
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Originally Posted by kova4a View Post
 

Yeah, I'm pretty happy with the N4, especially given how I jumped the gun and bought it before it was released purely based on your 4S review and hoping it's at least similar to it in performance. As far as the new design, I have no issues with the comfort but it is a bit on the thick side in comparison to 4ai, for instance, but it is more like a proper universal now with the screwed on faceplate and without the consistency issues of the handmade nozzles.

 

That's good to hear. Thick is better than extra bits sticking into the side of your ear. 

 

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Originally Posted by starfly View Post
 

Hi ljokerl,

 

I currently own the SE530 IEM and the cable is starting to crack. I've had it for almost 5 years now, so fine, time to replace it. I'm however looking for a more affordable IEM now, since I recently bought a good pair of headphones which I use for my more critical listening sessions. These IEMs will be mostly for commuting and exercising and otherwise casual use. So I'm looking in the price range of $100 - $200.

 

For one, I'm looking for IEMs that isolate really well, as I like to be able to isolate myself fully from my surroundings when listening on a train / airplane. In terms of sound signature, when comparing to the SE530 I'm looking for a bit more treble extension, as the SE530 is quite rolled off. I like the presentation of the mids, but I could also live with mids that were slightly less forward and thick. And in terms of bass, I'm not a basshead, but I do like it when an IEM produces a decent amount of bass and can reach low into the sub-bass region, while still being pretty detailed. Definitely not looking for anything bloated. And in terms of soundstage, I'd definitely like a much wider soundstage than the SE530, with good layering and depth as well.

 

I realize I probably can't have everything given the price range I'm looking at, but do you have any recommendations? I looked at your IEM list on your site but I'm really not sure what to pick.

 

The HiFiMan RE-400 might be all you need. It has smooth but pretty well-extended treble, not lack of midrange presence and punchy, some bass roll-off but not really worse than the SE530. It doesn't have a particularly wide soundstage but like you said, can't really have everything.

 

The VSonic GR07 does a little better in bass depth and has a wider soundstage but its treble might sound a bit sibilant coming from the SE530 and it doesn't have the greatest layering. Its isolation is also not quite as good as that of the RE-400 IMO. 

 

The Creative In-Ear 3 is something I've always thought sounds like a Shure product but IMO it doesn't improve on the SE530 in any way.

 

As a super-low-budget option you can also consider the SteelSeries Flux In-Ear. Again good isolation (though you may have to get some aftermarket eartips), excellent bass presence, and good end to end extension overall.

 

Lastly, the Ety HF5 is the absolute best thing you can get for isolation and has good treble extension and a very balanced overall sound. Not as much bass presence as the SE530, though, and I don't think it has a soundstaging advantage over the SE530.

 

P.S you might want to contact Shure - they have pretty good customer service and might cut you a discount on the 535.

 

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Originally Posted by Chude Mleko View Post
 

Hi ljokerl,

 

I ordered S1 and listened to it for couple of days but I'm returning it. Unfortunately they didn't sound better than A161p to my ear. They have too much bass. It's OK for guitar, rock and metal music but jazz trios sound rather disappointing. I mean double bass and drums are all over piano notes for instance. Plus I felt smooth lower end made highs sound harsh at higher volume, trumpet especially sounds unpleasant.

While sound stage does appear to be wider I felt instrument separation wasn't as good as in A161p. Plus A161p gives you so much more detail.

Maybe I'm on BA side in BA vs DD battle? I don't know.

 

Anyway, I'm back listening on A161p and I hope they will survive few more months but I still wander, where do I go when they die? The have the best sound I came across but poor build quality in comparison to other sets at that price point.

Should I try etys HF2 next, or some dual driver BA? What would you consider an upgrade from A161p, with similar characteristic, preferably with mic, but I guess I might have to give up on mic at the end.

 

i appreciate your response!

 

The A161P uses a Knowles ED driver. Since you like it so much maybe just stick with it - the Ety HF2 and ER4 both use variations of it. There are a couple of hybrid earphones that use it as well but I doubt you will like those. Dual BAs sound different and if you found the S1 harsh you'll want to be very careful venturing into that territory. The VSonic GR01 is the safest option among those IMO but it lacks a mic, is pricy, and isn't quite as durable as the cheaper VC1000 in my experience.

 

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Originally Posted by loomisjohnson View Post
 

ljokerl:

apologies if you've answered this already, but on your 1-10 quality scale, where would you put the philips fidelio s1/s2?

many thanks,

lj


8.9-ish. I like both of them better than the MA750, for example, but not as much as the GR07.


Edited by ljokerl - 2/3/14 at 8:43pm
post #12816 of 15275
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post

 

The HiFiMan RE-400 might be all you need. It has smooth but pretty well-extended treble, not lack of midrange presence and punchy, some bass roll-off but not really worse than the SE530. It doesn't have a particularly wide soundstage but like you said, can't really have everything.

 

The VSonic GR07 does a little better in bass depth and has a wider soundstage but its treble might sound a bit sibilant coming from the SE530 and it doesn't have the greatest layering. Its isolation is also not quite as good as that of the RE-400 IMO. 

 

The Creative In-Ear 3 is something I've always thought sounds like a Shure product but IMO it doesn't improve on the SE530 in any way.

 

As a super-low-budget option you can also consider the SteelSeries Flux In-Ear. Again good isolation (though you may have to get some aftermarket eartips), excellent bass presence, and good end to end extension overall.

 

Lastly, the Ety HF5 is the absolute best thing you can get for isolation and has good treble extension and a very balanced overall sound. Not as much bass presence as the SE530, though, and I don't think it has a soundstaging advantage over the SE530.

 

P.S you might want to contact Shure - they have pretty good customer service and might cut you a discount on the 535.

 

 

Thanks! I went ahead and ordered the RE-400. I did contact Shure for a trade-in, but they said I would first have to send in the SE530 and they couldn't tell me beforehand if they would just fix it or then offer me to buy a new SE535 at a discounted price; in other words, too much hassle for me. And the discounted SE535 probably still couldn't beat the RE-400 in terms of price.

 

Edit: I also ordered the Yamaha EPH-100, will see which one I like more. Perhaps I might like the Yammie, to contrast my full-size Sony 7520 cans.


Edited by starfly - 2/4/14 at 6:45am
post #12817 of 15275
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post
 

 

The A161P uses a Knowles ED driver. Since you like it so much maybe just stick with it - the Ety HF2 and ER4 both use variations of it. There are a couple of hybrid earphones that use it as well but I doubt you will like those. Dual BAs sound different and if you found the S1 harsh you'll want to be very careful venturing into that territory. The VSonic GR01 is the safest option among those IMO but it lacks a mic, is pricy, and isn't quite as durable as the cheaper VC1000 in my experience.

Thanks ljokerl,

 

I think I'll try next one of these then: VC1000, Ety HF2 or ER-4PT (thanks Francisk). The latter is probably a bit too expensive for me. Have you compared HF2 and VC1000 before?

post #12818 of 15275

what iems do you reccomend for classical music (any price range) ?   thanks

post #12819 of 15275
Joker please can you help me...

Can you reccomend a succesor to my Hippo VB? I'm on my second pair now but would like to move up a notch, circa £200 budget. I use my Hippo VB with the bassiest plate, so am looking for an IEM which really bangs hard on the lows similarly but also has better clarity/resolution/separation as my needs from an IEM progress and I grow more demanding of SQ.

My most expensive headphones to date have been the Sennheiser IE80, they didnt go as low as my Hippo VB and had that midbass hump Im not accustomed to from a V-shape profile Ive become accustomed to, but I did appreciate the better overall SQ. Ultimately however I sold them and stuck with the Hippo.

Any other suggestions I can research/try? My main genre is techno and house plus electronic acts such as Underworld, Chemical Brothers, Prodigy etc.

Thanks in advance :-)

Suggestions from Headfi have been Sony XB90EX, Denon C300, JVC FX200, JVC F700.
post #12820 of 15275

Etymotic Er4s is good for classical music.

post #12821 of 15275
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Originally Posted by docked seaman View Post
 

what iems do you reccomend for classical music (any price range) ?   thanks

 

      re-400 .

post #12822 of 15275

Joker,

 

I have a question for you....

 

I bought, enjoyed, but ultimately sold my UE TF10's due to an inability to wear them anywhere else than sitting at my computer due to fit issues. I plunged in the UE pool again when there was a sale on UE900's figuring that the ergonomics were superior and the fit issues inherent in the TF10's would not replicate themselves. I guess I have really big canals as I struggle to get a consistent seal with even the biggest tips - no issues when stationary, but try to wear outside and move around? You get the idea.

 

My question is whether a re-shell would be the way to go cost-wise and sound-wise - I only have $200 in on these and Fisher Hearing can mold them for around $110 shipped - but is there a straight custom for around the same $$ (or a hundred or so more) that you think would outperform a pair of re-shelled UE900's?

 

Or would trying to replicate the sound I could expect from the 4BA custom version of the UE900 necessitate a larger investment in a straight custom? (or nothing that cheap will beat the UE so an investment of $500++ would be required)

 

I owned a couple of sets of Heir CIEMS and loved the feel of a custom - they were the best fit of any headphone I have ever owned and if a couple of unforeseen bills hadn't cropped up, I would still own them.

 

Sorry for being so wordy - congrats on 300!

post #12823 of 15275
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Originally Posted by Ivabign View Post
 

Joker,

 

I have a question for you....

 

I bought, enjoyed, but ultimately sold my UE TF10's due to an inability to wear them anywhere else than sitting at my computer due to fit issues. I plunged in the UE pool again when there was a sale on UE900's figuring that the ergonomics were superior and the fit issues inherent in the TF10's would not replicate themselves. I guess I have really big canals as I struggle to get a consistent seal with even the biggest tips - no issues when stationary, but try to wear outside and move around? You get the idea.

 

My question is whether a re-shell would be the way to go cost-wise and sound-wise - I only have $200 in on these and Fisher Hearing can mold them for around $110 shipped - but is there a straight custom for around the same $$ (or a hundred or so more) that you think would outperform a pair of re-shelled UE900's?

 

Or would trying to replicate the sound I could expect from the 4BA custom version of the UE900 necessitate a larger investment in a straight custom? (or nothing that cheap will beat the UE so an investment of $500++ would be required)

 

I owned a couple of sets of Heir CIEMS and loved the feel of a custom - they were the best fit of any headphone I have ever owned and if a couple of unforeseen bills hadn't cropped up, I would still own them.

 

Sorry for being so wordy - congrats on 300!


Thought about custom tips for them instead of a reshell?  As far as I know no one's done a ue900 yet.

post #12824 of 15275
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Originally Posted by davidcotton View Post
 


Thought about custom tips for them instead of a reshell?  As far as I know no one's done a ue900 yet.

I corresponded with Fisher re: UE900 and they stated they could keep the MMX connectors (unsure if that is a plus or not) but they didn't seem to have an issue with a re-shell. I wondered about tips, but worry that they would be unwieldy - that is, sit way outside my ear and get in the way of glasses, hats, hair, etc....

post #12825 of 15275
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Originally Posted by oHUTCHYo View Post

Joker please can you help me...

Can you reccomend a succesor to my Hippo VB? I'm on my second pair now but would like to move up a notch, circa £200 budget. I use my Hippo VB with the bassiest plate, so am looking for an IEM which really bangs hard on the lows similarly but also has better clarity/resolution/separation as my needs from an IEM progress and I grow more demanding of SQ.

My most expensive headphones to date have been the Sennheiser IE80, they didnt go as low as my Hippo VB and had that midbass hump Im not accustomed to from a V-shape profile Ive become accustomed to, but I did appreciate the better overall SQ. Ultimately however I sold them and stuck with the Hippo.

Any other suggestions I can research/try? My main genre is techno and house plus electronic acts such as Underworld, Chemical Brothers, Prodigy etc.

Thanks in advance :-)

Suggestions from Headfi have been Sony XB90EX, Denon C300, JVC FX200, JVC F700.

 

    im not joker but i have a xb90ex and had auditioned c300 , c300 is 4 times pricy here , 90ex being $60 c300 is like $240 in india , c300 has better sq for sure and has more rumble in bass , a bit faster decay but 90ex is a true budget bass headphones and c300 is a grown version of 90ex , not a huge improvement over in the department of bass but not bad , amazon uk have them for 65 pounds , for that price if you can handle that huge profile ( bigger then 90es from every angle ) go for c300 , they have in-built iphone controller too .

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