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Hi Joker, congratulations on 1000 pages!
Took your advice on the RE-400 for classical music thanks. They are great though I feel they are a little too warm for my taste, so can you recommend another iem up to $300 which is a little more v-shaped, as i feel i need something brighter and something with more weight in the low end. As an example, the RE-400's IMO arent convincing in the low end with cello. I also still highly value an iem with great midrange clarity, and something with a wider soundstage would also be welcomed. Would the VC-1000 fit the bill?

Honestly a modded and an EQ'd HE400 is exactly that... Open soundstage, layered imaging, the bass impact and texture, the detailed and transparent mids, the sparkly highs, the overall fun sound... It isn't FOTM anymore and I know it isn't an IEM too but with the price of it nowadays, it's dumb to look over it in my opinion. HOWEVER, you need jergpads on them and EQ them a few dBs for them to sound amazing.

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Thanks for the CK100 review! it's very interesting i will try it.
 
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Originally Posted by Stereodude View Post
 

 

Well, something like a RE-600 with a little more mid bass and perhaps a tad less upper mids, which would make it like W4 with a bit less mid bass and a little more upper mids & treble.

 

Ultimately, I'd love a (C)IEM that sounds like my HE-500s.

 

Nothing comes to mind as a perfect fit but some are close. Some universal options are the Fidue A83, StageDiver SD-2, UE900, TDK BA200, and Shure SE535. The A83 has the right bass balance but I feel like you'll miss some of the clarity of the RE-600's forward mids with its more v-shaped sig. The SD-2, UE900, BA200, and SE535 are flatter and don't really have a mid-bass hump in the way the Westones do. However, I did prefer their bass to the HiFiMan sets individually and they all have a little less upper midrange presence than the RE-600. Among these flatter-sounding one I feel like the UE900 might be the best fit for you, maybe just a touch bright overall but with the right amount of upper mids. The slightly warmer BA200 and SD-2 would be a close second. 

 

With customs it's even harder to find a sig where the bass and upper mids/treble both fall between the RE-600 and W4 (maybe because I have far fewer customs to choose from than universals). The closest I can think of are the Westone ES5, Noble 4S, and Custom Art Pro 330v2. The ES5 is a good fit otherwise but too warm and bassy on the whole (though the bass quality is better than with the W4 so maybe that's fine). The Noble 4S bass is much more RE-600 than W4 in balance and power (meaning leaner than what you're after). The Custom Art Pro 330v2 has less upper mids, but it is still brighter overall than the RE-400/RE-600. 

 

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Originally Posted by rated1975 View Post

Hi Joker, congratulations on 1000 pages!
Took your advice on the RE-400 for classical music thanks. They are great though I feel they are a little too warm for my taste, so can you recommend another iem up to $300 which is a little more v-shaped, as i feel i need something brighter and something with more weight in the low end. As an example, the RE-400's IMO arent convincing in the low end with cello. I also still highly value an iem with great midrange clarity, and something with a wider soundstage would also be welcomed. Would the VC-1000 fit the bill?

 

VC1000 is too lean. A hybrid like the DUNU DN-2000 or the Fidue A83 recommended by ozkan would be a better way to go. 

 
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Crazy question of the day:

Does anyone know if the GR07 Classic's sensitivity is 105dB/mW or 105dB/V?

 

Unknowable for certain but most likely 105 dB/mW. Even with full-size cans it's rare to see db/V listed. 

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Hi Joker,

 

What do you think would be a good natural upgrade to the RHA MA750 with a similar signature?

 

Also, have you heard the funktion one speaker systems? can you recommend any iems/headphones which sound the closest to it?

 

thanks

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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post
 

Nothing comes to mind as a perfect fit but some are close. Some universal options are the Fidue A83, StageDiver SD-2, UE900, TDK BA200, and Shure SE535. The A83 has the right bass balance but I feel like you'll miss some of the clarity of the RE-600's forward mids with its more v-shaped sig. The SD-2, UE900, BA200, and SE535 are flatter and don't really have a mid-bass hump in the way the Westones do. However, I did prefer their bass to the HiFiMan sets individually and they all have a little less upper midrange presence than the RE-600. Among these flatter-sounding one I feel like the UE900 might be the best fit for you, maybe just a touch bright overall but with the right amount of upper mids. The slightly warmer BA200 and SD-2 would be a close second. 

 

With customs it's even harder to find a sig where the bass and upper mids/treble both fall between the RE-600 and W4 (maybe because I have far fewer customs to choose from than universals). The closest I can think of are the Westone ES5, Noble 4S, and Custom Art Pro 330v2. The ES5 is a good fit otherwise but too warm and bassy on the whole (though the bass quality is better than with the W4 so maybe that's fine). The Noble 4S bass is much more RE-600 than W4 in balance and power (meaning leaner than what you're after). The Custom Art Pro 330v2 has less upper mids, but it is still brighter overall than the RE-400/RE-600.

 

Thanks for taking the time to offer the suggestions.  Time to do some research!

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Unknowable for certain but most likely 105 dB/mW. Even with full-size cans it's rare to see db/V listed. 

Yea I would have guessed dB/mW. I do have/have had a few IEMs with specs listed in dB/V so it wasn't too easy an assumption for me. Thanks!
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I dont have much iem experience, but i do have a couple. GR07BE, Sony H3 and ummm i guess Pistons are my best ones. The rest are cheapies but goodies. I like the H-3 the best, i like it but dont love it. Its really big and its hard to put on and off in a relatively quick manner, and they dont sound great straight from my phone, they do A LOT better from better sources amped IMO, but i dont want to carry anything extra around. I like the soundstage of the H-3, like the heavy bass, the pistons have more i think and thats a bit too much so H-3 are just right for iem duty. The rest is fine and i like it quite a bit. So whats an upgrade or even a sidegrade that has comparable if not even better soundstaging and similar levels of heavy bass but better ergonomics and also driven better from a lowly Nexus 5 on the go. Maybe a dynamic like the IE80? Ive always wanted to try those. Anything else? I use the Pistons more just because they are easier to take on and off and are more portable but they do get unfomfortable, and SQ isnt spectacular but definitely very good for the price(i have 3 of them :-P)
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Somehow the FX850 came to my mind :etysmile:

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Are those the fabled woodies? Didnt even think of those, i was thinking theyd be a little too v shaped no? Will try to read up on em thanks
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They're pretty V shaped IMO. But the midrange isn't really positioned back by the imaging (bypassing that "recessed" feeling). Rather, it's just lower in amplitude to the bass and treble. So it works.
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post
 

I haven't tried as many of the really bassy earphones out there as I've tried other ones. The IE80 is certainly a good one if you don't find the over-the-ear form factor troublesome - it has the bass and it has the stability from various sources. The IE800 is more straightforward in fit (cable down vs over-the-ear), but of course a lot more expensive. I haven't tried the FX850 but my experience with the FX750 leads me to believe it might be a viable option as well. Very easy to use - just pop in and go - and the FX750 sounded very good already. 

 

Another vote for the FX850. Unless you're sensitive to forward treble, that is, since the JVCs treble is significantly less laid-back than the H3's. As for the FX750, they're very similar, but the FX850 have slightly better mids presence. Granted, they're still v-shaped, but like vwinter said, it fits in with the imaging and somehow works.

 

There's also an easy mod to attenuate the JVC's bass if desired (don't worry, still plenty of it left ;-) and give their mids even more room to shine.

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Another vote for the FX850. Unless you're sensitive to forward treble, that is, since the JVCs treble is significantly less laid-back than the H3's. As for the FX750, they're very similar, but the FX850 have slightly better mids presence. Granted, they're still v-shaped, but like vwinter said, it fits in with the imaging and somehow works.

 

There's also an easy mod to attenuate the JVC's bass if desired (don't worry, still plenty of it left ;-) and give their mids even more room to shine.

 

Forward, but not harsh, metallic or sibilant, correct?

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Forward, but not harsh, metallic or sibilant, correct?

 

Correct, it's excellent quality treble in my book, just not nearly as polite as the H3's.

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Another vote for the FX850. Unless you're sensitive to forward treble, that is, since the JVCs treble is significantly less laid-back than the H3's. As for the FX750, they're very similar, but the FX850 have slightly better mids presence. Granted, they're still v-shaped, but like vwinter said, it fits in with the imaging and somehow works.

There's also an easy mod to attenuate the JVC's bass if desired (don't worry, still plenty of it left ;-) and give their mids even more room to shine.

Cool. I ordered the FX850 and ie80. Will return the loser. The GR07 and RHA750 are too bright for me so we'll see how these fair . Thanks
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Cool. I ordered the FX850 and ie80. Will return the loser. The GR07 and RHA750 are too bright for me so we'll see how these fair . Thanks

Good decision. Imo the IE80 are not quite at eye level with the FX850 overall, but their treble is more in line with what you like on your H3 and their design is very well thought out for mobile use.
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Hello everyone and specialy to the great "ljokerl". I need your kind assistance.

 

I have been a happy user of the RE-400 and the Ety ER4P for a while and I am ready to upgrade, the question is what to get. I share with you the areas I would like to improve over these excellent IEMs and I am appreciative for your guidance of an IEM for a budget of up to $1,000 (not customs for the moment, just universals) that matches the following criteria as much as possible.

 

In regards with overall "tonality" both the RE-400 and the Etys are perfect for my taste so the overall tonality of the newIEM shall be similar.

 

For guidance on what I like I also have the non-IEMs like Beyer T70p (love the clarity but too sibilant with many recordings), the AKG 550 (love this headphone overall, but lacks some magic) and the grado PS500e (love this one but it is peculiar as it doesn't sound great with all music, maybe too edgy sometimes) and the Beoplay H6 (I love this HP, fantastic all-terrain headphone that plays well all kinds of music, nice balance of clarity and musicality). One HP I hated is the new Sony Z7 that I found muddy, super slow, super bassy and overall extremely unbalanced, dark, and boring. I returned it after a week of trying it.

 

I listen to many types of music, the only thing I don't listen too much is HipHop and country. For the rest I listen to all other genres but mainly Indie, alternative. electronica, americana, punk, rock and then jazz and classical.

 

Treble: I love the treble of the Ety ER4P, so I like the new IEM to match it. Importantly the Ety ER4P is extended but smooth, and will never bother with sibilance. I hate sibilance but I love extended highs and smooth detailed airy high frequencies.

 

Bass: I like better bass presence than the Ety ER4P and the RE-400. I am not a bashed, so the bass has to be extended, with good sub bass but never ever affecting clarity of mids and the overall tonality of the sound. I hate dark thick headphones, I love clarity. I hate slow headphones I love fast headphones with good PRaT. I love fast and "solid" bass, with good extension and never affecting the mids. I hate muddy bass. I love sub-bass but only when the music calls for it.

 

Mids: natural sounding, not too aggressive but not retracted, balanced with the other frequencies ranges. I love the mids of the Ety ER4P, so the new IEM has to at least be as good as the Etys. I love that the vocals are present and natural, not hidden behind the instruments.

 

Soundstage: both the RE-400 and Ethys are limited in soundstage. I like a bit more out of the head soundstage, but natural sounding with enough presence to not feel distant, but neither has to be on your face in between the ears. A good balanace of feeling that the music is around you but still connected with you. I don't like sound that appears to be too distant, not like watching a concert from the 50th row, more like watching from the 5th row.

 

Imaging: I like good imaging and good instrument separation, but shall respect the musicality even of bad recordings. I don't like an IEM that is so technically advanced that reveals all the bad things of recordings so that only great recordings play well. It has to play fine with most music.

 

Clarity: I love the clarity of the Etys and I don't want to give up clarity while maintaining and even enhancing the "musicality". I don't like sterile analytical, I like musical sound but very clear.

 

Cohesivity: the sound has to be natural cohesive. Unfortunately I find many HP where even when the parts (frequency ranges) are fine they don't integrate well overall and sound artificial. It as to sound as music, like a good HiFi speaker.

 

I considered to purchase the InEar StageDiver 2 as it seems that ljokerl has mentioned that it will be a good upgrade over the RE-400, but it seems that it is not in stock at ALO audio, unfortunately. Other IEMs that I am considering are the B&W C5 Series 2, the Weston W60 or W40, the Senheiser IE800, the Shure SE840 or the NuForce Primo8 or some of the new universals from Noble audio. The problem is that I cannot demo these IEMs before purchase so I will have to make a call based on your guidance. Of course I don't need to be limited to these IEMs if you have a different advise or recommendation I will be appreciative.

 

Thank you in advance.

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