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post #13786 of 14825
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Originally Posted by HeadHoncho View Post
 

Hi Joker.

 

I have extensively used the following earphones, all bought after referring this Epic thread of yours. (Except the first one)

Creative EP 630 (Used for 3 years before one side gave up)

Vsonic GR02 Bass Edition (Used for 2 years before 1 side gave up)

HiSound Audio Wooduo 2 (Used for a few months before 1 side gave up)

Sony MH1C (Currently in use)

Vsonic VSD1 (Used for several months before... I misstepped on it and broke the housing...) (Chose VSD1 over VSD1S because of the supposedly enhanced bass)

 

Out of all the above, despite hoping that the VSD1's would be an upgrade over the GR02 Bass Editions, I felt I enjoyed the GR02 BE more. The Wooduo 2 and MH1C, I don't know the exact term for this, I found a bit veiled in comparison, though I did still enjoy both the sets. And the VSD1 I found a bit lacking in bass, and more sibilant compared to the GR02 BE. I also found the Soundstage/3D Imaging of the GR02 BE more expansive. I don't know whether what I felt contradicts your opinion or not. Or it might just be the individual sets.

 

I am continuing to use the Sony MH1Cs, but I have to start searching for another set again, this is turning out to be a very expensive hobby for me now... So, what would you recommend now for me? Something which I can procure in India (preferably something available at lendmeurears, mp4nation or hifinage (Indian retailer for Vsonic)). Budget will be not more than 50-60 USD.

 

Help.

 

And Thanks, for all your advice along the years.

 

Why not just get another GR02 BE? I haven't heard anything that sounds very similar to these but better - they are just bassier than the VSD1 and most of the other sets I recommend often these days, so I don't think there's anything more suitable for you in that price range. The ATH-CKM500 might be worth considering but its deep bass is not as prominent as that of the GR02.

 

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Originally Posted by zenstep View Post
 

Joker thanks for your quick reply.. its so nice to have some backup on this subject ^-^

I literally JUST realized you were the one who published the "Multi-IEM Review - 316 IEMs compared", did you write this and compare these yourself??? Its incredibly detailed.. very impressive. Is this list still relevant in 2014? I couldn't find a publishing date on it other than the post date in 2010.

 

Ive recently checked out a new 3 BA system that is marketed with supposedly a huge amount of well controlled bass and a superb soundstage.. InEar StageDiver 3 (SD-3) [($600) 3 BA] however they appear to be slightly uncomfortable to wear and about 100$ out of my price range.. although they look better than any universal IEM i've ever seen, seeing as how they site low profile in your ear like a custom.. very cool. Should I extend my price range for these?

 

This is an updated list of the IEMs on my mind, 

 

EarSonics SM64                    ($450)        3 BA

InEar StageDiver 3 (SD-3)    ($600)        3 BA

Dunu DN-2000                       ($315)        2 BA 1 Dynamic

(Sennheiser) iE80                  ($270)        1 Dynamic

TDK BA200                             ($250)        2 BA

InEar StageDiver 2 (SD-2)    ($450)        2 BA

 

I hate to take up your time but would you mind comparing these or possibly giving me some others to think about? I think you know what Im after now and I'm still quite unsure which of these is best. Do the Dunu DN-2000's have replaceable ear tips? (could i use comply foam tips with them?). If you don't have the time perhaps you could just label them from best to worst for my particular needs? Im an audio engineer and composer.. primarily listening to bass centric EDM and i want some good walking around and sleeping in IEMs that deliver clear impactful bass. Ill be using my ipod and iphone built in amp (not that that matters within most universal IEMs seeing as the amp seems more then enough to power these).

 

Thank you so much for your time.. 

 

Best, 

 

Zenstep

 

Yes, I wrote this review. It's being updated ~weekly - see the title of the thread and the index with the review "add" dates. There's also an easier-to-navigate version here: http://theheadphonelist.com/headphone-list/ 

 

My StageDiver SD-3/SD-2 reviews are both included in this thread. The bass of the SD-3 is a little excessive for me and I preferred the SD-2. Both are approximately comparable to the EarSonics SM64, but the SM64 seems to be more along the lines of what you're looking for in terms of sound. It's also more comfortable than the regular SD-2/SD-3 (although there are new "small" versions of both StageDivers available that might be more comfortable than the regular ones). 

 

Of course the DN-2000 has replaceable eartips - all universal earphones do. It comes with some foam tips in the package and you can use Complys with it as well (T400 size I think, might need to double-check). 


Honestly, your requirements are generic enough that a lot of earphones can be said to fit them. I probably wouldn't get one of the more more flat-sounding ones (BA200, SD-2) for EDM but there's a good chance you'd enjoy those as well, so it's hard to rule them out. It would be easier if you'd already tried some more affordable sets to at least know what worked for you and what didn't. Anyway, it might be the "new toy" syndrome talking but I think the DN-2000 is as good a place to start as any, especially as it's considerably less expensive than the SM64 or SD-3. 

post #13787 of 14825
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post
 

 

Why not just get another GR02 BE? I haven't heard anything that sounds very similar to these but better - they are just bassier than the VSD1 and most of the other sets I recommend often these days, so I don't think there's anything more suitable for you in that price range. The ATH-CKM500 might be worth considering but its deep bass is not as prominent as that of the GR02.

 

 

Yes, that's what I'll probably end up doing, but I wanted to do my due diligence before I did that. What about some sets from Brainwavz/DUNU/Astrotec/VSD1S? Are there new VSDs launching soon in this price range? VSD 3/4/7/9, etc

post #13788 of 14825

Joker I feel a lot closer to making a decision.. thanks for your time.

 

Ill refer to your list if I have any more questions.

 

Just one last thing, I saw your note about the SD-3s but the link you provided to the InEar site only briefly mentions the new "s" version on their website. I can't find any further links to purchase or view pics or anything from the site or any google searches ive done. Would you mind giving me a link to a purchase page? Im definitely missing something..

 

It seems Ill either get the EarSonics SM64 or the SD-3 (the S version hopefully) maybe the Dunu.

 

Thanks,

 

Zenstep

post #13789 of 14825

Hi Joker,


How do the TDK BA200 compare with the RHA MA750 and the MEELEC A161?

post #13790 of 14825
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Originally Posted by HeadHoncho View Post
 

 

Yes, that's what I'll probably end up doing, but I wanted to do my due diligence before I did that. What about some sets from Brainwavz/DUNU/Astrotec/VSD1S? Are there new VSDs launching soon in this price range? VSD 3/4/7/9, etc


Like I said, nothing that sounds similar to the GR02 BE but better. The VSD1S is almost identical to the VSD1 in sound and I don't know anything about any new VSD earphones. 

 

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Originally Posted by zenstep View Post
 

Joker I feel a lot closer to making a decision.. thanks for your time.

 

Ill refer to your list if I have any more questions.

 

Just one last thing, I saw your note about the SD-3s but the link you provided to the InEar site only briefly mentions the new "s" version on their website. I can't find any further links to purchase or view pics or anything from the site or any google searches ive done. Would you mind giving me a link to a purchase page? Im definitely missing something..

 

It seems Ill either get the EarSonics SM64 or the SD-3 (the S version hopefully) maybe the Dunu.

 

Thanks,

 

Zenstep

 

I don't have a link for the S. It's pretty new, you probably just need to contact InEar for purchase info/photos at this point. 

 

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Originally Posted by Jozurr View Post
 

Hi Joker,


How do the TDK BA200 compare with the RHA MA750 and the MEELEC A161?

 

More similar to the A161 than the MA750. The MA750 sounds very different - warmer, bassier, more v-shaped, and also a little muffled in the midrange in comparison. The A161 is cooler in tone and more analytical, with some grain in the treble and less top-end extension compared to the BA200. The BA200 also has a little more body in the bass region.

post #13791 of 14825
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Posted brief impressions of a couple new universal and custom-fit earphones here: http://theheadphonelist.com/brief-impressions-noble-fr-pr-perfect-seal-sportbud-silver-minerva-mi-performer-pro-mi-artist-pro/

 

The post includes:

 

  • Noble FR & PR variable-tuning universals
  • Perfect Seal SportBud Silver half-shell custom earphones
  • Minerva Mi-Performer Pro and Mi-Artist Pro custom musicians' monitors
post #13792 of 14825

OK, I'm looking for a low/mid-priced IEM (<$60), preferably with remote (volume control and next track). I will mainly use them when I'm out running and working out. Any recommendations? 
I've looked at Steelseries Flux In-ear, Etymotic Research ETY-Kids 5/3 and MEElectronics M6P. 


Edited by aleex - 6/9/14 at 4:39am
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Hi, Joker (and anyone else who think they could help). I'm stuck in a three-way tie to replace my dead Ety HF5s:

 

1. 1964EARS V3

2. Alclair Reference

3. Custom Art Music Ones

 

How I narrowed it down to these three:

 

Regarding the HF5s, I loved their super-detailed and clear sound, as well as the amazing isolation. I disliked the weak bass in hip-hop/pop, microphonics in quiet settings, modest ear discomfort after long sessions, the occasional sibilance cropping up, as well as the "meh" soundstage (good left/right, but nothing really else).

 

I listen to many different kinds of music: rock, pop, folk, piano, vocal, some hip-hop, and a touch of spoken word, so balanced IEMs seem like the best option. I listen for hours on end, so comfort is important; I also like to run with music, so microphonics are also important. My budget is $500 maximum because I listen on a Samsung Galaxy S4/laptop/desktop PC and am already in the diminishing returns price range.

 

Taking these into consideration, I thought I should get the best entry-level custom IEM. These are the 3 highest sound-scoring custom IEMs under $500.

 

My current dilemma:

 

The Alclair Reference seems to be the best option, except that they may accentuate sibilance. I abhor sibilance and the HF5's sibilance sometimes got to me. The Music One and V3 seemed to be similarly technically talented (9.2/9.4 sound score, compared to the 9.4 of the Reference) that didn't have sibilance. I liked the V3 because you noted it was more "musical" than the Reference. I love music that excites me and gets me tapping my feet. But, I don't like muddy bass (about as much as I hate sibilance) which you mention about the V3s in comparison to the Reference: even though the HF5s lacked bass impact, I appreciated the bass' cleanliness.

 

So, then, I thought, OK, maybe the middle ground is the Custom One's: no sibilance and no muddy bass. But, it seems to be a little less technically talented than either the V3 and the Reference and I'm a bit hesitant about shipping costs to Poland for warranty and/or refit issues.

 

Where I need help: is the sibilance of the Reference worse than the V3's muddier bass? I realize I'm exaggerating their flaws here; these are two pretty great IEMs. I just want to make sure I spend my money in the best place.

 

The Custom Art Music Two's seem like the answer, sans shipping costs, but I realize you haven't listened to them and its reviews are scarce, particularly by those with custom IEM experience. :(


Edited by ikjadoon - 6/9/14 at 5:19am
post #13794 of 14825

Wow ! I'm new here and it's an awesome comparison ! Thanks for this !

post #13795 of 14825
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Originally Posted by aleex View Post
 

OK, I'm looking for a low/mid-priced IEM (<$60), preferably with remote (volume control and next track). I will mainly use them when I'm out running and working out. Any recommendations? 
I've looked at Steelseries Flux In-ear, Etymotic Research ETY-Kids 5/3 and MEElectronics M6P. 

 

If you're using an Apple product, volume controls are easy enough (pretty much any 3-button remote will do) but if you're using Android, that really narrows down your options a lot. For working out I probably won't recommend the Flux or EtyKids - the former just not secure enough in the ear and the latter perhaps not comfortable enough with that deep seal.

 

The M6P is a definitely good option. If you must have more accurate sound than the bassy M6P, I think you can find the A151P in your price range as well. It's only got a 1-button remote and isn't as bright as the Etykids but it's got a much more neutral sound than the M6P and the form factor is more suitable for active use. Not sure how the BA drivers will stand up to sweat so maybe not the best option if you expect it to last more than a year, though. 

 

 

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Originally Posted by ikjadoon View Post
 

Hi, Joker (and anyone else who think they could help). I'm stuck in a three-way tie to replace my dead Ety HF5s:

 

1. 1964EARS V3

2. Alclair Reference

3. Custom Art Music Ones

 

How I narrowed it down to these three:

 

Regarding the HF5s, I loved their super-detailed and clear sound, as well as the amazing isolation. I disliked the weak bass in hip-hop/pop, microphonics in quiet settings, modest ear discomfort after long sessions, the occasional sibilance cropping up, as well as the "meh" soundstage (good left/right, but nothing really else).

 

I listen to many different kinds of music: rock, pop, folk, piano, vocal, some hip-hop, and a touch of spoken word, so balanced IEMs seem like the best option. I listen for hours on end, so comfort is important; I also like to run with music, so microphonics are also important. My budget is $500 maximum because I listen on a Samsung Galaxy S4/laptop/desktop PC and am already in the diminishing returns price range.

 

Taking these into consideration, I thought I should get the best entry-level custom IEM. These are the 3 highest sound-scoring custom IEMs under $500.

 

My current dilemma:

 

The Alclair Reference seems to be the best option, except that they may accentuate sibilance. I abhor sibilance and the HF5's sibilance sometimes got to me. The Music One and V3 seemed to be similarly technically talented (9.2/9.4 sound score, compared to the 9.4 of the Reference) that didn't have sibilance. I liked the V3 because you noted it was more "musical" than the Reference. I love music that excites me and gets me tapping my feet. But, I don't like muddy bass (about as much as I hate sibilance) which you mention about the V3s in comparison to the Reference: even though the HF5s lacked bass impact, I appreciated the bass' cleanliness.

 

So, then, I thought, OK, maybe the middle ground is the Custom One's: no sibilance and no muddy bass. But, it seems to be a little less technically talented than either the V3 and the Reference and I'm a bit hesitant about shipping costs to Poland for warranty and/or refit issues.

 

Where I need help: is the sibilance of the Reference worse than the V3's muddier bass? I realize I'm exaggerating their flaws here; these are two pretty great IEMs. I just want to make sure I spend my money in the best place.

 

The Custom Art Music Two's seem like the answer, sans shipping costs, but I realize you haven't listened to them and its reviews are scarce, particularly by those with custom IEM experience. :(

 

Yes, the Reference is probably not the best option due to being more revealing of sibilance than the HF5, and the V3 is much, much bassier than the HF5. The Custom One is a "safer" choice in terms of sound signature but it doesn't have a whole lot more bass than the Etys so it might not be a drastic enough upgrade for you in that area. Obviously it does fix the other issues you have - comfort, cable noise, etc. 

 

One more option you might want to consider is the Perfect Seal SportBud Silver, which I just covered here: http://theheadphonelist.com/brief-impressions-noble-fr-pr-perfect-seal-sportbud-silver-minerva-mi-performer-pro-mi-artist-pro/ . It comes from a US-based company and is about on-par with the Custom Art Music One in technical ability. In fact, it more strongly reminds me of the StageDiver SD-2, which if I'm not mistaken uses the same driver. Compared to the Music One you gain a little bass quantity (a good think with your requirements) and lose a little treble quality (not a good thing, but the difference is not night and day).

 

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Originally Posted by lobraz View Post
 

Wow ! I'm new here and it's an awesome comparison ! Thanks for this !

 

:beerchug:

post #13796 of 14825

I've given a lot of recommendations in the past but I feel really stuck in choosing something that's right for me. I'm looking for a neutral, analytical IEM with a lot of sound stage and, if it has to veer from being totally flat, a slight boost in the treble region. I'm looking to spend $200-300. I don't mind dynamic or BA drivers, but in the past I've found BAs the most enjoyable.

 

The two best IEMs I've listened to are the Etymotic ER4S and the Brainwavz B2, for reference. I'm trying to get a step up from them to go with my ODAC+O2 combo.

 

Thanks joker/everyone else!

post #13797 of 14825
Get the IEM with the clearest, smoothest, and warmest Mids and then listen to any Ariana Grande or Shalira song.. omg eargasm much?
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Originally Posted by SebsG View Post

Get the IEM with the clearest, smoothest, and warmest Mids and then listen to any Ariana Grande or Shalira song.. omg eargasm much?

which iem you talkin bout willis

post #13799 of 14825
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Originally Posted by soundstige View Post
 

I've given a lot of recommendations in the past but I feel really stuck in choosing something that's right for me. I'm looking for a neutral, analytical IEM with a lot of sound stage and, if it has to veer from being totally flat, a slight boost in the treble region. I'm looking to spend $200-300. I don't mind dynamic or BA drivers, but in the past I've found BAs the most enjoyable.

 

The two best IEMs I've listened to are the Etymotic ER4S and the Brainwavz B2, for reference. I'm trying to get a step up from them to go with my ODAC+O2 combo.

 

Thanks joker/everyone else!

 

    go ciem . sadly i have never tried anything better then er-4p , and then i havent tried many top end phones .

post #13800 of 14825

I'm sad to see Noble 6 will not get full review. Can you at least tell us, if you think this 6 driver IEM is on same level as other 1K IEMs and estimated score for sound?

 

Thanks :)

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