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Originally Posted by Rage038 View Post
 

 

My favorite headphones would be the Yamaha EPH-100 but I can't wear them because of the insertion depth. How do these compare to the RHA MA750. They are both classified as warm & sweet on your website.

 

 

Unfortunately the EPH-100 I reviewed was a loan and I don't have it anymore but I provided the best comparison I could from memory here: http://theheadphonelist.com/headphone_review/rha-ma750-ma750i/#comment-2521

 

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Originally Posted by Kani View Post
 

Hi joker

 

I am currently using klipsch image s4 and i am willing to upgrade to something with more bass
I listen to hip hop (eminem) most of the time
i am using fiio e10 as my amp and listen to music throught it most of the time
After reading your reviews i came down to three iems


Velodyne vPulse
Nuforce NE-700X / NE-700M 
HiSoundAudio Wooduo 2


From what i read HiSoundAudio Wooduo 2 looks good for me

 

 

I just wanted to know your recommendation for me at a $110 budget

my main focus is bass like klipsch 4 but much better

 

The Wooduo 2 has mostly deep bass (subbass) and I haven't heard anything with more deep bass than that. You can currently get it for <$80 on ebay and amazon - I haven't heard anything that can beat that for bass.

 

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Originally Posted by Grayson73 View Post
 

Joker, since you've heard the VSD1/VSD1S, BA200 and Fidelio S1/S2, do you plan on putting them on your comparison table?

 

Yeah, definitely. The problem/delay is not putting them in the table - it's writing up the full reviews to go with the ratings.

 

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Originally Posted by thesuperguy View Post
 

Hey joker, I've seen your impression on the VSD1(S) and you seem to be quite fond of them. I would just like to know if there are any other earphones that are either better or worth considering in the $50 and under category. I know the VC02 is quite nice - do you have a preference between the 2?

 

I don't think there are any I would say are outright better than the VSD1S (unless they match your signature preferences better of course) but there are a lot that are similarly-priced that can at least compete with the VSonics - Sony MH1C, SteelSeries Flux, VC02, MOE-SS01, and the yet-to-be-reviewed Fidue A63. I prefer the VSD1(S) to the VC02 - it has a warmer and more full-bodied sound. Its bass has more impact but is a little softer of note. It's also more sensitive than the VC02. The VC02 on the other hand is thinner and brighter, with bass that is less impactful but a touch more detailed/textured. I find it to be a bit more balanced overall but also more "analytical" compared to the VSD1(S).

 

 

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Originally Posted by Louis8ball View Post
 

Please forgive me if you have already addressed this topic (I couldn't find anything by you on this), but what is your impression of:

 

MEElectronics M-Duo ...

 

 

Thank you.

 

I haven't heard them. They had them on display at CES this year but they didn't have a pair out to try.

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Thanks for the response. I am purchasing these for a friend who typically listens to things along the lines of mainstream "rockish" and pop music such as one direction (sigh) and one republic. They also enjoy the occasional alternative rock such as coldplay or muse so I am on the fence about whether I should be getting the VSD1 or VSD1S. This is admittedly their first venture into decent earphones so they really don't know best but they do say they enjoy a fair bit of bass.

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Hey |joker|,

I'm happy you're still keeping up here. I remember referencing your threads when I first joined head-fi. You were sort of a north star for me, and it's great to see that your passion still hasn't died out.

I'm intrigued by the Custom Art Music Two, but as you haven't reviewed them obviously, I'll frame this inquiry in terms of the Music One.

Right now I'm commuting with a pair of HD 25 Amperiors, and wanted something that didn't skin my ears by the end of the night. I know it's difficult to compare CIEMs to On-ears in general, but do you think, in a general sense, the Music One would be an upgrade? I find myself desiring a detailed yet warmish signature with a natural treble, so sound signature won't be an issue, I think. I'm just concerned if the small CIEM drivers are as/more capable than the Sennheiser's bigger drivers in terms of resolution and impact.

If you feel more comfortable comparing to another IEM, I currently have a Brainwavz B2 in my possession for reference as well. These are great analytical IEMs, but too thin-bodied and the bass is a bit lean. I hope the Music Ones would retain their detail while providing more richness, body, and impact as well.

 

I'm assuming both comfort and isolation are no-brainers here as well.

 

EDIT: Almost forgot, will these be fine out of my Iphone 5? 

 

Thanks so much.


Edited by vaed - 1/29/14 at 8:48pm
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Originally Posted by thesuperguy View Post
 

Thanks for the response. I am purchasing these for a friend who typically listens to things along the lines of mainstream "rockish" and pop music such as one direction (sigh) and one republic. They also enjoy the occasional alternative rock such as coldplay or muse so I am on the fence about whether I should be getting the VSD1 or VSD1S. This is admittedly their first venture into decent earphones so they really don't know best but they do say they enjoy a fair bit of bass.

 

The differences between them would be too small for a beginner to notice so I don't think you have to worry about that. Keep in mind these aren't basshead earphones - they have good impact but they're not at the level of something like a Beats Tour or Monster Turbine. 

 

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Originally Posted by vaed View Post
 

Hey |joker|,

I'm happy you're still keeping up here. I remember referencing your threads when I first joined head-fi. You were sort of a north star for me, and it's great to see that your passion still hasn't died out.

I'm intrigued by the Custom Art Music Two, but as you haven't reviewed them obviously, I'll frame this inquiry in terms of the Music One.

Right now I'm commuting with a pair of HD 25 Amperiors, and wanted something that didn't skin my ears by the end of the night. I know it's difficult to compare CIEMs to On-ears in general, but do you think, in a general sense, the Music One would be an upgrade? I find myself desiring a detailed yet warmish signature with a natural treble, so sound signature won't be an issue, I think. I'm just concerned if the small CIEM drivers are as/more capable than the Sennheiser's bigger drivers in terms of resolution and impact.

If you feel more comfortable comparing to another IEM, I currently have a Brainwavz B2 in my possession for reference as well. These are great analytical IEMs, but too thin-bodied and the bass is a bit lean. I hope the Music Ones would retain their detail while providing more richness, body, and impact as well.

 

I'm assuming both comfort and isolation are no-brainers here as well.

 

EDIT: Almost forgot, will these be fine out of my Iphone 5? 

 

Thanks so much.

 

Impact - no. The small driver just can't move as much air as a headphone. Resolution - yes. The HD25 might appear to have a small advantage there thanks to its sharper/crisper treble but for a less bright IEM the Music One does very well.

 

The Music One is definitely not as lean/thin/bright/clinical as the B2. It's not very critical of source either, possibly because there's no crossover. Not sure if this holds true for the Music Two because I think it's a dual-driver (can't remember for sure right now). 

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Why isn't the Etymotic Research ER4S listed beside the chart?

 

Are they better overall than the SE 535?


Edited by Christianh - 1/30/14 at 4:53pm
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Why isn't the Etymotic Research ER4S listed beside the chart?

 

Are they better overall than the SE 535?

 

The ER4S is review number 2A1.

 

I think the Etys are more accurate overall than the SE535 but whether they are “better” will depend on your needs and wants. They differ in both sound signature and form factor by a fair amount.

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Any chance of adding the Shure's SE846's too?
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The ER4S is review number 2A1.

 

I think the Etys are more accurate overall than the SE535 but whether they are “better” will depend on your needs and wants. They differ in both sound signature and form factor by a fair amount.

 

Thanks for the reply!

 

I want accurate transparent sound. Like a studio monitor. Also the SE535 are not as comfy as i would like. I have never gotten used to them even though i've had them for about 3 years now.

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I haven't tried the SE846 but I definitely prefer the Etymotic ER4S over the SE535 because I find the SE535's top end too veiled and the Ety's are flatter sounding even though the bass response of the Ety is not as extended as the SE535. Overall I find the Ety ER4S sound signature to be more accurate for my taste.

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Any chance of adding the Shure's SE846's too?

 

Don't have one and Shure wasn't amenable to sending one out.

 

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Originally Posted by Christianh View Post
 

 

Thanks for the reply!

 

I want accurate transparent sound. Like a studio monitor. Also the SE535 are not as comfy as i would like. I have never gotten used to them even though i've had them for about 3 years now.

 

If the SE535s are uncomfortable for you because they (especially the cable connectors) rest against the outer ear, like they are for me, then the Etys will indeed be a better fit. They sound best with a deeper seal than the Shures, though. Sound-wise they are very transparent - like Francisk I find the to be more accurate and prefer their greater treble energy to that of the Shures.

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ljokerl, ok thanks, insanely awesome thread by the way - i had to pipe up after seeing the work you put in to this.

Any idea on the durability of the Shure's (535's or 846's are the two I'm interted in) ? I plan on using them in the gym with a FIIO X5 when it's released in the States.
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ljokerl:

initially, let me congratulate you on your extremely incisive and well-written reviews. iwould also be remiss if i didn't note your thoughtful and courteous communications with other members--you were obviously raised right.

if i may invoke your expertise:

1. i'm curious to try a BA design and have hovered around buying the mee a161p, but get  a sense from others they may be bass-shy. (i listen to rock/bop and while not a basshead, like some low end impact--i'm currently enjoying a UE 500 and moshi vortex). would i be disappointed with the a161p? is there an oomphier BA in the same range?

2. do you have any opinion on the beyer dtx501p, which is supposed to bear some resemblance to the dt1350? any recs for a small on-ear in the same range?

cheers,

lj

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Thank you guys for the suggestions

 

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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post
 

 

The Wooduo 2 has mostly deep bass (subbass) and I haven't heard anything with more deep bass than that. You can currently get it for <$80 on ebay and amazon - I haven't heard anything that can beat that for bass.

 

I found a good deal for a Wooduo 2 and ordered a set
Thank you joker
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post

 

Impact - no. The small driver just can't move as much air as a headphone. Resolution - yes. The HD25 might appear to have a small advantage there thanks to its sharper/crisper treble but for a less bright IEM the Music One does very well.

 

The Music One is definitely not as lean/thin/bright/clinical as the B2. It's not very critical of source either, possibly because there's no crossover. Not sure if this holds true for the Music Two because I think it's a dual-driver (can't remember for sure right now). 

Thank you!

 

After a little more digging, it seems that the Music One might not have as much attack as I want, as it seems to be a very smooth signature.

 

I've been perusing the 1964 catalogue, in particular, the V3 and the V6-S. It looks like the V3 and M1 are completely different beasts in terms of signature, where the V3 is a musical but aggressive while the M1 is more reference and laid-back. The V6-S looks to be in another league entirely more akin to mid-level customs, with a reference sound with slightly tilted bass.

 

I'm ultimately looking for something natural and fun, but not colored to the point of a fatiguing/tiresome signature over a period of time, and suitable for metal. Does it look like the V6-S is taking the cake?

 

The V6-S seems like a no-brainer if I'm perceiving it correctly save the hefty price. The V3 is tempting with its cheaper price tag and musicality, but the perceived boominess is a little scary, especially when it comes to light-speed double bass on some death metal tracks, and its sibilance-proneness. The Music One (Two) is also valid because though it doesn't have the attack of the other two models, it has a fun, textured low-end and smoothened response that is safe for metal tracks.

 

I suppose I'm just thinking out loud here, but would you say that the 6-S is worth the investment in this regard, or perhaps you'd like to point me towards some other customs/universals closer to the V3/Music One price point? I'm looking at customs mainly for the comfort, isolation, and aesthetic.


Edited by vaed - 1/31/14 at 9:18pm
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Originally Posted by goldendarko View Post

ljokerl, ok thanks, insanely awesome thread by the way - i had to pipe up after seeing the work you put in to this.

Any idea on the durability of the Shure's (535's or 846's are the two I'm interted in) ? I plan on using them in the gym with a FIIO X5 when it's released in the States.

 

Thank you :)

 

I think now that the cable connectors no longer fail (at least as far as I know), the Shure IEMs should be plenty reliable. However, I would caution against using a BA earphone at the gym - from what I've been told armatures are less resistant to moisture than dynamic drivers. In the case of hearing aids (which, granted, are meant to last many years) there are even special dryers you can buy to dry them out at night to prolong their lifespan. Long story short, if you sweat a lot you may want to avoid using a balanced armature IEM at the gym.

 

 

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Originally Posted by loomisjohnson View Post
 

ljokerl:

initially, let me congratulate you on your extremely incisive and well-written reviews. iwould also be remiss if i didn't note your thoughtful and courteous communications with other members--you were obviously raised right.

if i may invoke your expertise:

1. i'm curious to try a BA design and have hovered around buying the mee a161p, but get  a sense from others they may be bass-shy. (i listen to rock/bop and while not a basshead, like some low end impact--i'm currently enjoying a UE 500 and moshi vortex). would i be disappointed with the a161p? is there an oomphier BA in the same range?

2. do you have any opinion on the beyer dtx501p, which is supposed to bear some resemblance to the dt1350? any recs for a small on-ear in the same range?

cheers,

lj

 

Thanks, that's certainly a very unique compliment :D

 

The A161P has good bass for a single BA earphone - better than most in both depth and punch. However, your UE500 has a lot more bass boost so if you're used to that, the A161P may not be the best option (or may just take some time to get used to). There are a few bassier BAs under $100 - the Phonak Perfect Bass 022 is a good one that really doesn't lack bass, for example.

 

I haven't tried the DTX501P but last I checked the DT1350 was <$180 on amazon which is a great price, though I personally prefer the sound signatures of the Senn HD25 and V-Moda M-80. They're all about the same size. 

 

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Originally Posted by Kani View Post

 

I found a good deal for a Wooduo 2 and ordered a set
Thank you joker

 

:beerchug: hope you like them!

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