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Originally Posted by RoKr93 View Post

Thank you very much to Joker for a truly astounding effort with this thread. I only joined the forums very recently, but about a year back I used this thread (the result of some Googling) to select a pair of VSonic GR06s for myself. Unfortunately I never really found them to be extremely comfortable in my ears, but the sound quality was definitely on point, so thanks for that! Sadly the left ear has stopped working on them already, and I got them online for a really low price with no warranty. Caveat emptor, I suppose.

 

I was wondering if you could possibly point me toward a pair of IEMs with these criteria:

 

- $50 or under

- Preferably worn straight down, but I can deal with over-the-ear

- Isolation is paramount; I do a lot of flying and airplane noise behind my music annoys me if it's too overwhelming. This was my main problem with the GR06s: for some reason, despite the massive variety of earbud tips it came with, I was unable to get a truly complete seal with them, which was bothersome and generally uncomfortable.

- I tend to prefer an analytical-ish sound, though not on the level of, say, Etymotic Research stuff. I listen to a very wide variety of music including classical, jazz, indie rock, and electronic.

 

I realize that I won't be getting something crazy good for $50, but hopefully I can find a solid pair- I would be willing to stretch the price range a little bit for something really great.

 

Thanks again!

 

Etymotic Etykids, maybe? They aren’t as thin-sounding as the BA-based Ety sets. I haven’t done a full review but I’ve heard them three times now and have always been impressed. You simply won’t beat the isolation for the price. The Etys won’t have as much bass the GR06 but (without A:Bing) I would say the quality of the mids/treble would be nearly on-par. Another option might be the VSonic VC02 but it won’t isolate as much as the Etykids and sounds brighter overall. If you want something with more bass and are willing to give up a chunk of isolation the UE500 might work for you - it comes with Comply tips and has above-average isolation. Most of the appeal is in that it's currently quite cheap, typically <$40 on amazon.

 

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Hi all,

 

I have owned my JVC-FXT90L2 for over a month now.  The SQ is better than all of my previous IEMs, however, I found that for some songs the vocals are sibilant while for others the vocals are not strong enough (compared to the instruments).  Should I have chosen EPH-100? :P

 

Sounds like you don’t like the v-shaped sound. The EPH100 has more focus on the mids relative to the treble so in that respect it should be better. The only caution would be if you’re used to very forward upper mids, which present forward and sort of ‘shouty’ vocals, from some other headphone. The EPH-100 doesn’t do that.
 

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I have just recieved Trident DN-12 and boy oh boy, what a disappointment - they sound no where near PortaPro and compared to samsungs S3 original headphones fixes only annoying sound at high frequencies (but still too much highs for my taste). Compared even to stock samsung headphones, Trident has almost no bass and sounds flat. Overall Trident sounds like outside the window, music is somewhere else (sorry, but this the only way I can describe it). Middle range and clarity is good. Do I do something wrong or should I wait for that good sound to arrive? Or is it even possible to get that solid sound of PortaPro's in an in-ear headphones?

 

 

It sounds like you’re not getting a proper seal with the Trident – the lack of proper imaging, weak bass, and excessive treble are all indicators of a bad acoustic seal.

 
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Great job |joker|, your IEMs ranking is just superb! smile.gif
I've been looking for a long time for something better than Brainwavz ProAlpha (more refined, more wow factor) but with similar sound signature: warm (reasonably bassy), sweet but detailed and airy - especially natural sounding, like ProAlpha does for me. What would you recommend?

 

It depends on your budget. The aging Brainwavz M2 is a more refined ProAlpha at $50 or so. It’s not a huge step up, though. If you’re okay with a brighter sound something a little more v-shaped, like the Astrotec AM-800 ($65), would be a good option. 

 

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Originally Posted by Lost Dark Soul View Post

 

Ok how do you feel about the over the ear part i never liked sony's over the head design for earbuds. i'm not highly sure what it feels like and if i dont care for them its going to suck seeing how you cant wear those straight down.

 

And do you think its worth the upgrade from the Klipsch s4's? TIA

 

That's down the individual. I prefer over-the-ear earphones, personally - the fit is typically very stable and cable doesn't bother me at all. 

 

I don't like the S4 all that much so for me it's a worthwhile upgrade but again it really depends on what you're looking for. The S4 is pretty biased towards mid-bass and treble. The GR07BE is not. 

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Hey joker,

 

What would you say is a good dac to purchase around $300 that would work well with the GR07 or Westone W2's. Do you think using a dac with these iem's would make a difference in sound quality?

 

Thanks.

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Etymotic Etykids, maybe? They aren’t as thin-sounding as the BA-based Ety sets. I haven’t done a full review but I’ve heard them three times now and have always been impressed. You simply won’t beat the isolation for the price. The Etys won’t have as much bass the GR06 but (without A:Bing) I would say the quality of the mids/treble would be nearly on-par. Another option might be the VSonic VC02 but it won’t isolate as much as the Etykids and sounds brighter overall. If you want something with more bass and are willing to give up a chunk of isolation the UE500 might work for you - it comes with Comply tips and has above-average isolation. Most of the appeal is in that it's currently quite cheap, typically <$40 on amazon.
 

sound like a better sounding and better deal than the MC's series?

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It depends on your budget. The aging Brainwavz M2 is a more refined ProAlpha at $50 or so. It’s not a huge step up, though. If you’re okay with a brighter sound something a little more v-shaped, like the Astrotec AM-800 ($65), would be a good option. 


Thanks. I can spend up to 170$. M2 are a little bit too bassy compared to more balanced ProAlpha (I like bass, it should be strong but not too much and overwhelming like in SoundMAGIC E10). I would prefer smooth treble and sweet sounding. Recently I've tried Yamaha EPH-100 (I couldn't stand quite harsh high frequency drums like tambourine and its horrible microphonics - except that, they are great). After your last reviews I bought Vsonic R02 Silver in hope they deliver better sound, I'll see. Of course I'm open to your suggestions.
Edited by justblue - 5/23/13 at 7:42am
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Thanks. I can spend up to 170$. M2 are a little bit too bassy compared to more balanced ProAlpha (I like bass, it should be strong but not too much and overwhelming like in SoundMAGIC E10). I would prefer smooth treble and sweet sounding. Recently I've tried Yamaha EPH-100 (I couldn't stand quite harsh high frequency drums like tambourine and its horrible microphonics - except that, they are great). After your last reviews I bought Vsonic R02 Silver in hope they deliver better sound, I'll see. Of course I'm open for your suggestions.

Did you let the EPH100 burn in?

Mine have no harsh treble whatsoever. I find them quite smooth and balanced.
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Did you let the EPH100 burn in?

Mine have no harsh treble whatsoever. I find them quite smooth and balanced.

 

Yes, it took over 50 hours. It's strange, because I don't find EPH-100's treble harsh entirely - I noticed only problem with excessively exposed drums (cymbals, tambourines ect). Nevermind, maybe I'm to sensitive to it, now I'm searching for something different, but in line with my sounding expectations. I like ProAlpha, they're great for the money, but I want something better quality, more accurate but still sweet, warm and natural.

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Yes, it took over 50 hours. It's strange, because I don't find EPH-100's treble harsh entirely - I noticed only problem with excessively exposed drums (cymbals, tambourines ect). Nevermind, maybe I'm to sensitive to it, now I'm searching for something different, but in line with my sounding expectations. I like ProAlpha, they're great for the money, but I want something better quality, more accurate but still sweet, warm and natural.

 

Ah I see, yeah it could be many things... source, audio itself etc...

 

Maybe the Fischer Audio Tandem fits the bill for you?

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Maybe the Fischer Audio Tandem fits the bill for you?

 

I know them, nope, they're too mid-centric, like earbuds - focused on vocals with lacking bass. Also I don't find them better enough than ProAlpha in other aspects, to make it profitable spending 89$ for FA Tandem.
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I know them, nope, they're too mid-centric, like earbuds - focused on vocals with lacking bass. Also I don't find them better enough than ProAlpha in other aspects, to make it profitable spending 89$ for FA Tandem.

 

Might be good for you to check out the discovery thread, you will probably find something you like there:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/586909/the-discovery-thread-new-jant71s-take-on-the-new-ath-clr100-pg-618-zero-audio-carbo-basso-pg-601

 

I ordered these yesterday, really hoping they might be an improvement over the Yams:

http://www.amazon.co.jp/ZERO-AUDIO-%E3%82%A4%E3%83%B3%E3%83%8A%E3%83%BC%E3%82%A4%E3%83%A4%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B9%E3%83%86%E3%83%AC%E3%82%AA%E3%83%98%E3%83%83%E3%83%89%E3%83%9B%E3%83%B3-%E3%83%86%E3%83%8E%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AC-ZH-DX200-CT/dp/B0093VVP0Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1369305991&sr=8-1&keywords=carbo+tenore+zh-dx200-ct


Edited by Lifted Andreas - 5/23/13 at 3:47am
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post
Sounds like you don’t like the v-shaped sound. The EPH100 has more focus on the mids relative to the treble so in that respect it should be better. The only caution would be if you’re used to very forward upper mids, which present forward and sort of ‘shouty’ vocals, from some other headphone. The EPH-100 doesn’t do that.

 

Wish I could find a shop in Hong Kong which has EPH-100 for demo ... anyway, I would say I'm happy with the sound of FXT-90 for most of my tracks.  Thanks for the reply.

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You can't really have a ton of bass without it getting in the way. I guess something with a ton of subbass boost would be closest - the RHA MA-350, for example. 

 


Agreed. Just got back from my morning walk with something similar:

 

Hi ljoker, Seems that your ear canals a bit tighter than mine...I have enormous ones atsmile.gif!  Resolved this with Meelec big short double flanges - enhanced with some 3M foams. Prefer short  tips , better soundstage IMO.

BTW great reviews! Thanks

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You are right! I've tested all seals and with only 1 set the sound turn from bad/awful to wonderful and just right for me :-) Never had in-ear headphones and didn't realise, that seals makes most of the sound properties.

THANK YOU for good recommendation and a professional advice.

 

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It sounds like you’re not getting a proper seal with the Trident – the lack of proper imaging, weak bass, and excessive treble are all indicators of a bad acoustic seal.

post #10408 of 14818
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Originally Posted by kobetastic View Post

Hey joker,

 

What would you say is a good dac to purchase around $300 that would work well with the GR07 or Westone W2's. Do you think using a dac with these iem's would make a difference in sound quality?

 

Thanks.

 

It depends on your source. A good-quality portable player isn't far behind a good DAC in sound quality and probably not worth upgrading. A (non-Apple) smartphone or sub-par computer sound card, on the other hand, can definitely be worth switching from. I've only tried one new DAC in recent history - the Sunrise Audio Ray. My thoughts can be found here: http://www.head-fi.org/t/660291/short-review-sunrise-audio-ray-excellent-portable-dac-amp

 

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sound like a better sounding and better deal than the MC's series?

 

Yeah, I thought so, I wanted to do a full write-up but haven't had the time.

 

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Thanks. I can spend up to 170$. M2 are a little bit too bassy compared to more balanced ProAlpha (I like bass, it should be strong but not too much and overwhelming like in SoundMAGIC E10). I would prefer smooth treble and sweet sounding. Recently I've tried Yamaha EPH-100 (I couldn't stand quite harsh high frequency drums like tambourine and its horrible microphonics - except that, they are great). After your last reviews I bought Vsonic R02 Silver in hope they deliver better sound, I'll see. Of course I'm open to your suggestions.

 

Hmm... I didn't get any harshness from the EPH-100 either. It wasn't a smooth as the Tandem (for example) but it wasn't really harsh. I think you should try the R02 Silver and see what you think, then go from there. Might not have enough subbass if the Tandem didn't. I haven't heard the ProAlpha in a while (though I still have my M1 and M2) so the R02 Silver might be a better starting point for an upgrade.

 

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Originally Posted by Astrud View Post

Hi ljoker, Seems that your ear canals a bit tighter than mine...I have enormous ones atsmile.gif!  Resolved this with Meelec big short double flanges - enhanced with some 3M foams. Prefer short  tips , better soundstage IMO.

BTW great reviews! Thanks

 

Wow, that makes them look positively tiny...

 

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Originally Posted by prakalejas View Post

You are right! I've tested all seals and with only 1 set the sound turn from bad/awful to wonderful and just right for me :-) Never had in-ear headphones and didn't realise, that seals makes most of the sound properties.

THANK YOU for good recommendation and a professional advice.

 


Great, glad they're sounding better beerchug.gif

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Thanks for the informative thread.

 

Just something I wanted to clarify, with the ratings given to each IEM within their respective price sections;

 

are the values standard and linear across the price platforms?

 

For example in the $0-$15, we have (3C21) Monoprice 8320 (MEP-933) rated with a Sound rating of 7.5/10.

 

Would this 7.5 rating be directly comparable to something from the $30-$60 section, for example (3A5) Soundmagic PL50 rated 6.9/10 in terms of sound?

 

Would this mean that The monoprice 8320 has a better sound than the soundmagic PL50?

 

Or are the ratings confined within their own price range?

 

Thanks for the clarification.

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Originally Posted by MastermindJapan View Post

Thanks for the informative thread.

 

Just something I wanted to clarify, with the ratings given to each IEM within their respective price sections;

 

are the values standard and linear across the price platforms?


Yep, it's all the same scale. No discrimination based on price, which is why things like the MEP-933 are such good value (for sound at least, not so much everything else).

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