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post #14011 of 14702
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Originally Posted by 1clearhead View Post

 

 

.....need I say more?  :wink_face:

 

No. Please

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Originally Posted by 1clearhead View Post
 

 

-Just gave you a heads-up, that's all.....

 

I don't make any money by being a hobbyist, if that's where you're getting at.

 

I'm just excited about a low cost budget IEM that practically I'd never understand with the price vs. its weight in value. Hope you understand my excitement.

 

So there's your answer.

 

So, can I ask you? ......what are you trying to accomplish here?   :wink_face:

 

You've given many heads up. Maybe you should change your name to 1cloudyhead. You've brought the product to our attention, that's great! You've created a dedicated thread about it, amazing! People interested in the product will go to the thread, subscribe, ask questions, etc. But this, this is just annoying. If someone asks you on this thread about them, then fine, answer away. But to keep bringing it up, annoying.

post #14012 of 14702
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Most likely to make you stop posting here. We get it - you're excited and want to share your excitement. Make one post here, contact joker and ask him whether he's willing to accept a unit for review, make a separate thread and hype as much as you want there. There's no need to make every other comment in this thread yours.

Just look the last 10 pages of this thread - half of the comments are yours and often several in a row instead of just using the EDIT button. Just go to the The discovery thread and share your discovery and hype there if you think that the separate thread you've created is not enough.

No one is trying to stop you from sharing your experience and excitement but this is joker's review thread and people come here to read his reviews and seek his opinion - not to read other people's hype. Imagine what will happen to this thread if everyone who likes a certain iem comes here and starts posting few times a day how good that iem is.

 

I apologize......absolutely right.

 

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Originally Posted by esteebin View Post
 

 

No. Please

 

You've given many heads up. Maybe you should change your name to 1cloudyhead. You've brought the product to our attention, that's great! You've created a dedicated thread about it, amazing! People interested in the product will go to the thread, subscribe, ask questions, etc. But this, this is just annoying. If someone asks you on this thread about them, then fine, answer away. But to keep bringing it up, annoying.

 

Gladly noted, guys. I apologize.

post #14013 of 14702
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Originally Posted by esteebin View Post
 

 

No. Please

 

You've given many heads up. Maybe you should change your name to 1cloudyhead. You've brought the product to our attention, that's great! You've created a dedicated thread about it, amazing! People interested in the product will go to the thread, subscribe, ask questions, etc. But this, this is just annoying. If someone asks you on this thread about them, then fine, answer away. But to keep bringing it up, annoying.

 

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Originally Posted by kova4a View Post
 

Most likely to make you stop posting here. We get it - you're excited and want to share your excitement. Make one post here, contact joker and ask him whether he's willing to accept a unit for review, make a separate thread and hype as much as you want there. There's no need to make every other comment in this thread yours.

Just look the last 10 pages of this thread - half of the comments are yours and often several in a row instead of just using the EDIT button. Just go to the The discovery thread and share your discovery and hype there if you think that the separate thread you've created is not enough.

No one is trying to stop you from sharing your experience and excitement but this is joker's review thread and people come here to read his reviews and seek his opinion - not to read other people's hype. Imagine what will happen to this thread if everyone who likes a certain iem comes here and starts posting few times a day how good that iem is.

 

Sincere' apologize.

post #14014 of 14702

alright. let's move on.:beerchug:

post #14015 of 14702
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Originally Posted by vidzegg View Post
 

 

Oh ljokerl, Lord of IEMs,

 

I am repentant about  not listening to you and ordering RBH EP2 anyway  :triportsad: , thinking that it might suit my sonic preferences better but as usual, each word you said above is so so true. I even EQed the upper mid range to see how its sound improves. You really have touched that elusive realm of objectivity while being still confined by our essential subjectivity.

 

EP2's detail and clarity lags behind even UE 600 which I thought was clearly already a step down from A161P. Bass is plenty but slowish, enjoyable but not much as A161P 's fast and punchy bass.

 

Returned the EP2 while waiting for new A161P to arrive from Japan.

 

 

Any IEMs that you  think have  similar bass quality to  A161P( to quote you " fast and resolving"  and "surprisingly punchy, even aggressive at times" ) and equal if not more in quantity ?? and also have no mid recession of any kind and equal or better clarity.

 

I am asking this because I have now tried DBA-02mkII, UE 600vi and RBH EP2 and none has that kind of bass response.

 

I would really welcome a few options.

 

That's an unfortunate experience, but I every new earphone heard is a step towards discovering what you can and can't tolerate ;)

 

A good question about the A161P - what comes to mind are the "Heaven"-series earphones I've heard from Final Audio Design - Heaven A, Heaven C, Heaven S. The newer Heaven II seems promising as well but I haven't spent enough time with it yet to be sure. 

 

Don't know if there are any other single-BA earphones on the market using the Knowles ED driver aside from the A161P and Etymotic's models. Most of the recent ones are hybrids that "ruin" the bass (as far as your requirements go) with an extra dynamic driver.

post #14016 of 14702

Hi Joker

 

Just seen on your headphonelist site the brief reviews of the minerva range.  Was just wondering if the pro in silicone would be a worthwhile upgrade over the single driver mi1 (half shell) that I am using from the same company atm?  I find that it's ok for most things but obviously that single driver lacks grunt in the bass department (somewhat unsurprisingly!). 

 

Cheers

post #14017 of 14702

Awesome thread. Even has it's very own bookmark on my desktop. Was wondering if it would be possible or desirable to have a list of IEM's that you are reviewing, planning to review or would like to review if someone would loan them or whatever. Maybe it's not feasible? Either way, thanks for all the hard work in doing this IjokerI.

post #14018 of 14702
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Originally Posted by davidcotton View Post
 

Hi Joker

 

Just seen on your headphonelist site the brief reviews of the minerva range.  Was just wondering if the pro in silicone would be a worthwhile upgrade over the single driver mi1 (half shell) that I am using from the same company atm?  I find that it's ok for most things but obviously that single driver lacks grunt in the bass department (somewhat unsurprisingly!). 

 

Cheers

 

Unfortunately I haven't had a chance to try the Minerva single-drivers. I don't know if this is helpful but I did find the Pro in silicone to be a good upgrade from the Custom Art Music One - maybe someone has compared those with the single-driver Minervas. I wouldn't say the duals have particularly high bass quantity, but they're not lacking in bass.

 

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Originally Posted by shockdoc View Post
 

Awesome thread. Even has it's very own bookmark on my desktop. Was wondering if it would be possible or desirable to have a list of IEM's that you are reviewing, planning to review or would like to review if someone would loan them or whatever. Maybe it's not feasible? Either way, thanks for all the hard work in doing this IjokerI.

 

There's a list below the table on the front page. It's not complete, but it's a good start ;) . I also have two on loan that will get a review - the 2.0 Pistons and the Sony XBA-H3.

post #14019 of 14702

I have some TDK IE800's (yeah I know discontinued) if you have any interest in reviewing them and comparing them to your recent review of the BA200.

post #14020 of 14702
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Originally Posted by shockdoc View Post
 

I have some TDK IE800's (yeah I know discontinued) if you have any interest in reviewing them and comparing them to your recent review of the BA200.

 

I appreciate the offer but I don't think I can take on any additional reviews at this point and a discontinued item would indeed have a low priority. 

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Added a review of the NarMoo R1M

 

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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post

 

(3B41) NarMoo R1M

 


Reviewed July 2013

 

Details: First earphone model from NarMoo, tunable via interchangeable rear ports

MSRP: $69.99 (manufacturer’s page)
Current Price: $24 from NarMoo.com with coupon code “THL”; $30 from amazon.com
Specs: Driver: Dynamic | Imp: 16Ω | Sens: 98 dB | Freq: 10-20k Hz | Cable: 3.9′ L-plug w/ mic & 1-button remote
Nozzle Size: 5mm | Preferred tips: Narrow-channel single-flange eartips (e.g. Dunu or MEElectronics M6)
Wear Style: Straight down (preferred) or over-the-ear

Accessories (4/5) – Single-flange silicone tips (3 sizes), shirt clip, tuning ports (3 pairs), and oversize zippered carrying case
Build Quality (4/5) – The body of the R1M is aluminum, quite solidly made, and features screw-in rear tuning ports (three pairs are included). Semi-flexible strain reliefs are fitted over the housings, protecting the sturdy flat cable. A mic and single-button remote unit is mounted on the right earpiece and the cable is terminated with a low-profile L-plug. Some driver flex is present
Isolation (3/5) – About average for an earphone of this type
Microphonics (3.5/5) – Noticeable when worn cable-down but the thick flat cable is not particularly energetic, which helps. Over-the-ear wear is a little difficult but makes microphonics negligible
Comfort (3.5/5) – The housings of the R1M are on the large side, but light enough to still be comfortable. The flat cable, long strain reliefs, mic position, and lack of cable cinch don’t lend themselves well to over-the-ear wear, but it is not impossible to wear the R1M cable up

Sound (7.6/10) – The main feature of the NarMoo R1M is the sound adjustment system with interchangeable screw-in tuning ports. This concept, right down to the color coding of the screws, should be familiar to owners of the MEElectronics SP51. The sound tuning of the R1M follows the same scheme – the black ports are the bassiest by far, followed by the darker silver (metallic) ones and then the light silver ones. In short, the tuning screws are configured as follows:

Silver ports: most balanced sound; slightly v-shaped signature with solid bass punch and ample upper midrange/treble presence
Metallic ports: less balanced, borderline “bassy” sound but for the most part maintains bass control and clarity close to those of the silver ports
Black ports: maximum bass setting. Cranks up both the sub-bass and mid-bass for an experience that will please even serious bassheads, but gives up bass tightness in the process

The R1M looks to be the next generation of sound tuning earphones, with ports that are nice and large in contrast to similar designs I’ve seen in the past, making them easier to use and harder to misplace.

With the black ports in place, the sound of the R1M is suitable for fans of heavy bass. Bass depth is excellent but the mid-bass region is boosted more, resulting in slight masking of the sub-bass. The bass is often too boomy for me in this configuration.

With both the metallic and silver ports the low end is much more manageable – not quite as tight as that of my pricier VSonic VSD1S benchmark, but close. The metallic ports are bassier than the silver ones but still manage to maintain good quality. The midrange and treble are remarkably unaffected when swapping the ports, aside from the effects of the bass quantity differences.

The silver ports being the more balanced – and the most impressive technically – led me to use them for the review. Unless otherwise noted, the rest of this review is based on the R1M with the silver ports installed.

With the silver ports, the bass of the R1M is only slightly enhanced – quantity is similar to one of my favorite budget earphones, the VSonic VSD1S. The R1M has less of a mid-bass boost than the VSonics and less recessed mids, which gives it a cooler overall tonal character.

The most impressive aspect of the silver ports, however, is the overall clarity, which falls only a bit behind the pricier VSD1S but easily beats similarly-priced sets from Dunu, MEElectronics, Ultimate Ears, and the like. This is in part due to strong presence in the upper midrange and treble, which also contributes to the somewhat cool tonal character of the earphones. It’s not the most natural midrange presentation, but it works well in the case of the R1M.

The prominent upper mids of the R1M can sound a little edgy and the earphone doesn’t have the smoothest or most extended treble. It lacks a bit of crispness and instruments like hi-hats can sound a little too distant and vague compared pricier sets. However, despite the strong upper midrange presence, the R1M is surprisingly tolerant of sibilance. Compared to the VSD1S, for example, it’s quite a lot more forgiving.

Presentation is another definite strong suit of the R1M, one that impressed me at first listen. There are previous few budget earphones that sound as spacious, airy, and open as the R1M. The aforementioned lack of crispness takes away from their imaging ability a bit, making the soundstaging a touch vague, but overall the earphones simply provide a great sense of space.

Select Comparisons (Note: in each comparison the port with the best signature match was selected)

Nuforce NE-600X ($15) (black ports)

The sound of the NE-600X is very close to the R1M with the black tuning ports installed. Both have enormous bass that should satisfy even die-hard basshead, and yet despite their deep, booming bass, both earphones still offer pretty good clarity and avoid the sort of congestion that often plagues entry-level basshead earphones. The differences are subtle – the NE-600X is warmer in tone while the R1M is a little more neutral despite having similar bass impact. Vocals are a bit more intelligible on the R1M, likely due to slightly greater midrange presence, but overall the NE-600X is a little clearer and more crisp, especially up top. The NE-600X is a little harsher, however.

RHA MA350 ($40) (black ports)

Though the MA350 doesn’t quite have the bass impact of the NE-600X, its bass quantity is still closer to the black ports of the R1M than the metallic ones. Overall performance is again extremely close between the two earphones – they have similar bass control and clarity, though switching over the metallic or silver ports gives the advantage to the R1M on both counts. The largest difference between them is treble quality – the MA350 tends to be somewhat harsh and grainy compared to the NarMoo unit whereas the R1M, while less crisp, has smoother and more forgiving treble. The R1M also has a small advantage in soundstage size and airiness.

VSonic GR02 Bass Edition ($36) (metallic ports)

VSonic’s enhanced-bass GR02 model finds its match in the R1M with the metallic tuning ports in place. The GR02 BE has always impressed me with its balance of bass quantity and quality, and it still beats the R1M slightly in bass control. However, while bass impact and depth are similar between the two earphones, the R1M is more balanced overall. It makes the GR02 BE sound overly v-shaped and mid-recessed. The GR02 BE is a little bit clearer, however, partly due to its greater treble energy. It makes the R1M appear a little dull at the top in comparison, but is also more harsh and sibilant. On the whole, the sound of the R1M is more natural through the midrange and treble. The R1M also has a better presentation, sounding more open and spacious than the GR02 BE.

T-Peos D200R ($35) (silver ports)

With the silver tuning ports, the NarMoo R1M is technically at its best and capable of going up against T-Peos’ limited edition D200R model. The D200R has slightly less bass quantity than even the silver ports of the R1M but, like all of the T-Peos sets I’ve tried, still maintains excellent extension and is capable of very solid punch on tracks that call for bass. The R1M is a little heavier in the mid-bass region, which makes its low end appear stronger and at times more intrusive. The bass of the D200R is tighter. The midrange of the D200R is more prominent and clear, but the T-Peos also tend to sound harsher at times. The R1M is less crisp overall, but boasts a wider presentation and more open sound next to the more forward and closed-in D200R.

Fidue A63 ($60) (silver ports)

The mid-forward Fidue A63 is opposite in signature to the R1M, making for an excellent sound contrast. Even with the silver ports in place, the R1M is bassier than the A63 and its low end is more prone to sounding boomy and bloated. The tighter bass of the A63, combined with its prominent midrange, gives vocals better clarity and intelligibility compared to the R1M. The tone of the Fidue set is warmer overall and its treble is smoother. The R1M is more v-shaped in sound signature and brighter in tone. It also has a wider presentation. However, the smaller soundstage of the A63 is actually slightly more coherent and imaging is more precise.

Value (9/10) – The NarMoo R1M is an excellent first effort, offering pretty much everything one could want from a budget earphone – a solid construction, built-in mic and remote, and the ability to select between three levels of bass ranging from “basshead” to “mild enhancement”. The tuning port idea is not new, but it is well-executed, with ports that are easy to change by hand and provide clearly audible differences in sound. At the current sub-$30 price, these features make the R1M a great value.

Pros: Good clarity; very spacious and open sound; tuning ports make a difference
Cons: Some driver flex is present; bass boomy with the black tuning ports; treble could stand to be more refined

 

The overall ranking has been updated here.

post #14022 of 14702

  can anyone compare the monster gratitude with any thing respectable or monster pro gold/copper .

and the jbl synchros s200 .


Edited by suman134 - 7/6/14 at 9:34am
post #14023 of 14702
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post
 

 

I appreciate the offer but I don't think I can take on any additional reviews at this point and a discontinued item would indeed have a low priority. 


No worries. Just thought since you only recently posted the BA200 (also discontinued) that you might want to contrast it to the IE800 since both are still around at a fairly significant discount. Anyone interested can read ClieOS's review of both here. http://www.head-fi.org/t/612728/review-tdk-life-in-records-eb950-ba100-ba200-and-st700-serious-business

post #14024 of 14702
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No worries. Just thought since you only recently posted the BA200 (also discontinued) that you might want to contrast it to the IE800 since both are still around at a fairly significant discount. Anyone interested can read ClieOS's review of both here. http://www.head-fi.org/t/612728/review-tdk-life-in-records-eb950-ba100-ba200-and-st700-serious-business

 

The BA200 was just too good to skip over :o. It's a real shame that TDK is dropping all of their higher-end earphones.

post #14025 of 14702

Another great review, thank you Joker!

 

I actually bought this a while ago, so far so good. NarMoo is doing a July 4th promotion (40% off, yes it's $18 for a set of R1M), was ended yesterday, but got an email just now from them saying, it's extended till the end of today. so for whose who might be interested in this model, you'd better be hurry :popcorn:, this is definitely a steal!

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