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Originally Posted by Eric_C View Post

Ag, now I need to know how the Miracle compares with the JH13.


I heard Jaben in Singapore has the JH13, you could call them and check if they have the Miracle.
 

 

post #3617 of 14591
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I heard Jaben in Singapore has the JH13, you could call them and check if they have the Miracle.
 

 


They do indeed have the 13 on demo, but I never asked them about the Miracle. Would be nice to hear from someone who has the actual customs, and not the universal demos though.

 

post #3618 of 14591
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post

Added the UM Miracle. The chart has been rescaled and sound now has slightly (30%) more weight in the average than before.




In a direct comparison it's not difficult to differentiate the two. Owning only one, I doubt you'll be able to say which one it is if you didn't know. I don't think either has a clarity edge over the other. Amping the RE0 does help and with the right amp it may even have an edge over the ZERO but then adding a decent amp would push it to a different price bracket.


the amp wont be a problem as i already have one that can drive the ones like etymotic er4s , re262 and yuin pk1/ok1

so i'm more worried by the $20 difference than the amping. also there is $10 more for the shipping of any of them

 

btw. nice review of those new customs. but im sure im not ready for that

post #3619 of 14591
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Originally Posted by Eric_C View Post




They do indeed have the 13 on demo, but I never asked them about the Miracle. Would be nice to hear from someone who has the actual customs, and not the universal demos though.

 

 

i think even comparing the demos would be a problem since JH13 is in Jaben while the Miracle is in Stereo
 

 

post #3620 of 14591
Thanks Joker, you made my decision harder bringing the Miracles back to my attention. I had somewhat eliminated them thinking they would be too treble/mids focused.
post #3621 of 14591

Man. It sucks how the UM Miracles are WAYYY out of my price range. I've been thinking about getting into customs for a while, but I can never justify the prices for them since I rarely use my IEMs

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Originally Posted by RockaRolla View Post



 

i think even comparing the demos would be a problem since JH13 is in Jaben while the Miracle is in Stereo
 

 


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post #3623 of 14591
Excellent write up, joker! Glad you are enjoying your Miracles. Now you have bring back the want of customs again. redface.gif
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Originally Posted by lina View Post

the amp wont be a problem as i already have one that can drive the ones like etymotic er4s , re262 and yuin pk1/ok1

so i'm more worried by the $20 difference than the amping. also there is $10 more for the shipping of any of them

 

btw. nice review of those new customs. but im sure im not ready for that


If you don't mind carrying the amp might as well get the RE0. No adapter needed for that, either. 



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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post

Thanks Joker, you made my decision harder bringing the Miracles back to my attention. I had somewhat eliminated them thinking they would be too treble/mids focused.


If anything they are very mildly v-shaped but the balance really is very, very good. Bass impact is similar to my 1964-T (and other punchy armature-based sets, such as the TF10) but the Miracle has significantly better bass depth.

 

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Originally Posted by Smallville View Post

Man. It sucks how the UM Miracles are WAYYY out of my price range. I've been thinking about getting into customs for a while, but I can never justify the prices for them since I rarely use my IEMs


I know what you mean, I've been considering upgrading my full-size setup but I use IEMs 90% of the time so it is hard to justify. My first car cost less than some of the headphones I've been looking at, which is a thought I come back to once in a while.  


 

 

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Originally Posted by MaxwellDemon View Post

Excellent write up, joker! Glad you are enjoying your Miracles. Now you have bring back the want of customs again. redface.gif


Thanks beerchug.gif

 

post #3625 of 14591

As always, an excellent review.

 

I agree with you: throwing more money not always gets you an equivalent increase in quality, but nonetheless I think that a pair of customs is worth the economical pain. Of course I'm not referring to 1000$ customs, and of course I don't have a pair of customs, but sometimes one spends a quite amazing amount of money looking for the "perfect" phones, so it may make sense to spend it all at once and get customs.

 

When I say "perfect" I don't mean the ultimate sound-miraculous phone, but a phone you really like, with the amount of isolation you want, the comfort you want, the sound signature you want, the looks you want (why not?), etc. Sometimes you're lucky and you find a cheap pair of phones which fulfil your needs, but other times you have to sacrifice one aspect to get other.

 

I can't remember how many times I've lived that. I get a new pair of phones which sound exactly how I want, only to discover they fit like crap and isolation is subpar, or the cable is in auto-tangle mode all the time, or they cause me pain after half an hour, or they slide out of my ears, etc. Customs looks like the way of solving all the issues at once.

 

Still, price is prohibitive for me. But hoping is free ksc75smile.gif

 

Thanks a lot for the review, really, a great work like usual.

post #3626 of 14591

YES!! Way to go joker for the miracle review!!!

post #3627 of 14591

Do UM IEMs use Westone cables?

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Nice review as always. It's easier to resist for me, because here it's not just about shelling out $930 or not. I'm really glad that you like it this much, and would happily donate again, but it wouldn't be a nice gift anymore, but rather giving you more work to be done. (a nice high-end home setup on the other hand... rolleyes.gif )

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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post

I know what you mean, I've been considering upgrading my full-size setup but I use IEMs 90% of the time so it is hard to justify. My first car cost less than some of the headphones I've been looking at, which is a thought I come back to once in a while.  

It's a bit sad to hear that. I'm real curious how something like the Miracle fares against a Qualia. I was really blown away by those. I hope I can audition some other high-end sets this year, because somehow I doubt I'll like anything more than that.


Edited by Shufny - 7/25/11 at 4:54am
post #3629 of 14591
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Originally Posted by kiteki View Post


........as far as I can tell the UM has not achieved some kind of plateau or pinnacle by itself, but rather subjectively in light of joker's collection, other custom IEM's out there on similiar level seem to be the SA-43, JH13, UE18, LS8, CX8, SE 5-way, 3MAX, ES5, XE4....

 

If ljokerl could hypothetically review all of these, then the UM Miracle would be perceived in a different light, it's a shame this will never be the case since anyone owning all of them would equal the cost of a very nice car


We can always have a Multi Custom IEM comparison thread from joker if we buy him one custom each year wink.gif. But then, average_joe already has a comprehensive thread on customs including general information and comparisons.

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Originally Posted by esanthosh View Post


Not by much. The difference between Miracle and 1964-T is more striking than the difference between the T and top of the line universals wink.gif



Yes I know that, but I remember back when this review compilation first came out, and it has been fun to see that standards rise.  I remember back when the ck-10 and dba-02 were both 10s in the SQ on the list, and now they have been reduced to a 9.2/9.3.  It just makes me wonder how far IEMs (and headphones in general) can just keep going.

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