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post #12481 of 14599
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Originally Posted by lamnidae View Post


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I'm looking for a pair of sub-$600 IEMs that are going to bring the best out from well-produced metalcore/melodic hardcore/post-hardcore/technical death metal/pop punk & other genres with a distinct focus & emphasis on the melodic & technical aspects of the guitar work in particular.

The short of it is - I want control & composure as a bit of finesse is important to me - but ultimately a fairly expansive & lush sound with plenty of articulate detail & dynamic impact that's going to enhance my overall listening experience & allow me to immerse myself in the music & it's inherent intricacies.

Being a guitarist myself, my main focus is on the guitars & particularly their tone & note definition, as well as the aggression, drive & impact of the drums. Vocals, both harsh & clean, are also important to me & should have plenty of prescence; but never at the obtuse expense of the guitars' coherence. I guess I'm ideally looking for a pair of IEMs that possess a certain poise & balance to provide an accurate, appealing, organic soundscape full of virility & texture with a sense of depth & intensity - but without sacrificing the clarity & instrument separation that is so vital to the kind of music that I listen to & my own personal tastes.


Low-end: Not really a basshead in terms of sheer power & quantity, but needs to be relatively deep - & as responsive, tight & punchy as possible, the kind that really hits you - but without any noticeable flubbiness/boominess.

Mids: I would prefer them to be slightly more prominent, certainly not significantly scooped, & rich in detail - but simultaneously quite smooth, natural & unobtrusive with good balance between upper/lower ends of the spectrum. No abrasive grainy 'ice pick' kind of phenomenons - but at the same time I don't want them to be veiled or muddy.

Highs: I do like my treble, so ideally it should be quite extended in range with plenty of sparkle & clarity to provide a bit of a distinctive edge to guitars & clean vocals & a nice shimmer to cymbals - somewhat bright, but short of entering sibilance-inducing territory.

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Hope you don't mind my jumping in here. Reading your explanation of what you're looking for I would recommend you give the Earsonics SM64 serious consideration. Joker rated them highly and you can read the various comments I've made by doing a search on my user name.

-Eric
post #12482 of 14599
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post
 

Wow, at those prices ($350 for a DBA-02??) it really seems like the Music One is your best bet for the following reasons -

1. It's really hard to upgrade from the UE700 in comfort without going custom, period

2. It ticks most of your boxes, at least as much as an IEM in your price range can

3. It seems like with that you're not getting a hugely worse price than if you were located in the US or Asia

4. No need to invest an extra $80+ in custom tips

 

Things to consider

1. The Music One is less bright than the UE700. If you're used to the UE700's treble it may take a little bit of time to get used to having less "sparkle" but I still think the Music One sounds more natural overall

2. The Music One is not clearer than the UE700, in part because it is not as bright

3. Not sure about the audio of the Lumia 920 but a lot of the (android) smartphones I've tried don't sound great with BA earphones. I would expect the UE700 to be more sensitive to this than the Music One, though, so it seems like you're okay there.

 

From Peter's description the Music Two sounds awesome as well but of course I can't really have an opinion on it based on just graphs. 

 

Long price-story short: DBA-02 are $200 ~ 140€, add 20% VAT and 20% strong-currency-penalty and they are 200€ (the usual dollar w/o VAT == euro w/ VAT). Add awful availability (official german reseller: not listed; official uk reseller: out of stock; amazon uk: not listed; amazon germany: not listed; ...) so the sole amazon marketplace seller asks 249€ incl. VAT ~ $344. Finally I also found them on fischer-products.eu for 116€ with free shipping from the russian federation o_O.

 

Reading my last postig again ignoring crazy euro-prizes, non-availability, and custom-eartips-markup, what would be your answers then?

 

DBA-02 mkII? ER-4S? Brainwavz B2? j-phonic K2 SP? Custom Art Music One?

Others?

 

Are they noticeable upgrades? (For example I remeber reading between the lines, that, from all TWFK-implementations, you don't like the UE700 much. On the other hand: Would an upgrade from TWFK to TWFK be worth even only $150 anyway?)

How do they meet my wished-for requirements?

post #12483 of 14599
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Originally Posted by 991 Carrera 4S View Post

Long price-story short: DBA-02 are $200 ~ 140€, add 20% VAT and 20% strong-currency-penalty and they are 200€ (the usual dollar w/o VAT == euro w/ VAT). Add awful availability (official german reseller: not listed; official uk reseller: out of stock; amazon uk: not listed; amazon germany: not listed; ...) so the sole amazon marketplace seller asks 249€ incl. VAT ~ $344. Finally I also found them on fischer-products.eu for 116€ with free shipping from the russian federation o_O.

Reading my last postig again ignoring crazy euro-prizes, non-availability, and custom-eartips-markup, what would be your answers then?

DBA-02 mkII? ER-4S? Brainwavz B2? j-phonic K2 SP? Custom Art Music One?
Others?

Are they noticeable upgrades? (For example I remeber reading between the lines, that, from all TWFK-implementations, you don't like the UE700 much. On the other hand: Would an upgrade from TWFK to TWFK be worth even only $150 anyway?)
How do they meet my wished-for requirements?

The brainwavz b2 is currently 55 gbp on amazon UK. By far the best for the money at that price, and joker's ranking is the same as the DBA mkii.
post #12484 of 14599

@Joker

Can you give a quick E10M vs Quadbeat 2 ?

post #12485 of 14599
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by dezane222 View Post
 

Hi joker,

 

i'm really confuse to choose between gr07be, ba200, vc1000, re400, and eph100

i like to listen to jazz audiophile song, sometimes poprock songs like maroon5.

i really like clarity and detail, but also want some bass impact/quantity.

which one should i choose?

can you rank based on clarity from the list? (you had answered this question previously, but i add ba200)

and can you rank them based on bass quantity only? (may i add monoprice 8320 and vsd1s on the list :) )

thanks joker:)

 

The BA200 has similar clarity to the RE-400 IMO. It would be whatever ranking I gave before with the BA200 on-par with the RE-400

 

For bass quantity I would rank them as follows: EPH-100 >> VSD1S ~ GR07BE > BA200 > RE-400 ~ VC1000 ~ Monoprice

 

 

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Originally Posted by 991 Carrera 4S View Post
 

 

Long price-story short: DBA-02 are $200 ~ 140€, add 20% VAT and 20% strong-currency-penalty and they are 200€ (the usual dollar w/o VAT == euro w/ VAT). Add awful availability (official german reseller: not listed; official uk reseller: out of stock; amazon uk: not listed; amazon germany: not listed; ...) so the sole amazon marketplace seller asks 249€ incl. VAT ~ $344. Finally I also found them on fischer-products.eu for 116€ with free shipping from the russian federation o_O.

 

Reading my last postig again ignoring crazy euro-prizes, non-availability, and custom-eartips-markup, what would be your answers then?

 

DBA-02 mkII? ER-4S? Brainwavz B2? j-phonic K2 SP? Custom Art Music One?

Others?

 

Are they noticeable upgrades? (For example I remeber reading between the lines, that, from all TWFK-implementations, you don't like the UE700 much. On the other hand: Would an upgrade from TWFK to TWFK be worth even only $150 anyway?)

How do they meet my wished-for requirements?

 

I liked the Logitech UE700 (which is the one you have IIRC) better than the pre-Logitech one so I wouldn't really recommend "upgrading" to the B2 or DBA-02.

 

Last time I was just commenting on the pricing off hand. My recommendation won't change even ignoring pricing and availability. The only other set I would consider based on sound quality and your requisites would be the Etymotic, mostly because it is a little clearer and brighter overall than the Music One. There's a full ER4S/Music One comparison in the Music One review: http://theheadphonelist.com/headphone_review/custom-art-music-one-review/  

 

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Originally Posted by Hitesh View Post
 

@Joker

Can you give a quick E10M vs Quadbeat 2 ?

 

 

I've never tried a Quadbeat 2

post #12486 of 14599
Hi guys.

First a huge merry Xmas to all and happy 2014.

Second, I want some opinions/sugestions.
I have been in love with a pair of eph 100. I even use them over my hd598. Since I AM enjoying thia new IEM experiente I would like to try something new. I am considering a ba IEM. As I did with the eph 100 I want as much bang for the buck as possible.

My options so far:
TDK bá 2000
Ety hf5
Sony xba 1 and xba h1
Rock it sounds r50

And all the others you might consider.

I have read the list over and over...
post #12487 of 14599
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by starcraft2 View Post

Hi guys.

First a huge merry Xmas to all and happy 2014.

Second, I want some opinions/sugestions.
I have been in love with a pair of eph 100. I even use them over my hd598. Since I AM enjoying thia new IEM experiente I would like to try something new. I am considering a ba IEM. As I did with the eph 100 I want as much bang for the buck as possible.

My options so far:
TDK bá 2000
Ety hf5
Sony xba 1 and xba h1
Rock it sounds r50

And all the others you might consider.

I have read the list over and over...

 

Those all sound very different from the EPH-100. It seems like you are looking for a contrast to the EPH-100, but that's still a very wide set of requirements. Anything specific you're after?

post #12488 of 14599
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post
 

 

I've never tried a Quadbeat 2

Umm what about Quadbeat 1 vs E10m ?

post #12489 of 14599
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post
 

 

The BA200 has similar clarity to the RE-400 IMO. It would be whatever ranking I gave before with the BA200 on-par with the RE-400

 

For bass quantity I would rank them as follows: EPH-100 >> VSD1S ~ GR07BE > BA200 > RE-400 ~ VC1000 ~ Monoprice

 

 

 

thanks for reply

so for jazz audiophile (susan wong, stacey kent,etc, AND poprock like maroon5) which one is more suitable for me ?

post #12490 of 14599

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Originally Posted by Hitesh View Post
 

@Joker

Can you give a quick E10M vs Quadbeat 2 ?

 

Let me answer this question. E10m has more sub-bass and treble than Qb2 while Qb2 has more midbass and forward mids than E10m. Qb2 will sound punchy and mid-centic while E10m is "V" shaped and energytic. I think Qb2 is more detailed than E10m. Just take it with a grain of salt.


Edited by ozkan - 12/30/13 at 7:23am
post #12491 of 14599
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Originally Posted by starcraft2 View Post

Hi guys.

First a huge merry Xmas to all and happy 2014.

Second, I want some opinions/sugestions.
I have been in love with a pair of eph 100. I even use them over my hd598. Since I AM enjoying thia new IEM experiente I would like to try something new. I am considering a ba IEM. As I did with the eph 100 I want as much bang for the buck as possible.

My options so far:
TDK bá 2000
Ety hf5
Sony xba 1 and xba h1
Rock it sounds r50

And all the others you might consider.

I have read the list over and over...

If you are looking for an iem with less bass than EPH 100, you might consider Etymotic Hf5 and a 75 ohm adapter which makes it sound almost similar to ER4s.


Edited by ozkan - 12/30/13 at 7:39pm
post #12492 of 14599
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post
 

I liked the Logitech UE700 (which is the one you have IIRC) better than the pre-Logitech one so I wouldn't really recommend "upgrading" to the B2 or DBA-02.

 

Last time I was just commenting on the pricing off hand. My recommendation won't change even ignoring pricing and availability. The only other set I would consider based on sound quality and your requisites would be the Etymotic, mostly because it is a little clearer and brighter overall than the Music One. There's a full ER4S/Music One comparison in the Music One review: http://theheadphonelist.com/headphone_review/custom-art-music-one-review/

 

Many thanks |joker|. :) So I think I'm going to stick with the Music Two – seems too enticing on pre-order. :)

post #12493 of 14599

Hi there ljokerl, im new to this forum but thank you very much for your awesome review. I was hoping something like that existed on the internet but the more i searched the less hope i had to stumble across a review like that. Keep it up!

 

Im not a expert by any means though I have a huge passion for music and spending hours listening to various of styles but mainly hiphop and r&b. I just ordered a new pair of Klipsch S4 which i think are good for exercising but Im now looking for a BIG upgrade. I dont want to spend a lot of money just to realise they are just a "little" bit better then my Klipsch.

Which of the following earphones would you recommend (maybe you could rank them according to your taste):

 

Klipsch x10

Im bit worried they are too similiar to the Klipsch S4 and having that narrow sound spectrum as I want to try something new.. i think.

 

Philips Fidelio S1

The open style of the S1 is worrying me because Im so used to having good isolation from using the Klipsch.

 

Nocs 800

Looks good on paper but do you think the bassline is too weak ?

 

Monster Cable Turbine with headset

They look good on first glance however im bit concerned that they lack the clarity im looking for. For example i listen to some african music like P-Square and on the Klipsch it just sounds aweful. Sure the track was only 128kbps but still..

 

SteelSeries Flux Pro

Only because you recommended them ;). I dont like the tanglefree cable though, not big fan of any earphones using such cables at all matter of fact as they create extra weight and not too good for exercising.

 

 

Sorry for the complicated question but ive spent days trying to figure this out ;/

 

thx once again!


Edited by adriano86 - 12/30/13 at 1:08pm
post #12494 of 14599
The eph are excelent but I am looking for a different sound sig. I like the definition, soundstage. The BA are a technology I never tried.

What could you tell me? By the reviews I am leaning towards the Sony or the Ety. The er4 are espensive and from what i read very analitic and I want to enjoy the music, thats why I thought about the hf5. The sony are good?
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post

Those all sound very different from the EPH-100. It seems like you are looking for a contrast to the EPH-100, but that's still a very wide set of requirements. Anything specific you're after?
post #12495 of 14599
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Originally Posted by starcraft2 View Post

The eph are excelent but I am looking for a different sound sig. I like the definition, soundstage. The BA are a technology I never tried.

What could you tell me? By the reviews I am leaning towards the Sony or the Ety. The er4 are espensive and from what i read very analitic and I want to enjoy the music, thats why I thought about the hf5. The sony are good?

It looks like the new line of Sony BA's is much better I'd say that trying the xba-10 will prove the point. Can someone take the hint?

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