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post #12256 of 14636

@Joker

Have you listened to Denon AH-C260R ?

Which would be a better option between AH-C260R and E10M ? Need an IEM around that budget with mic

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Originally Posted by Hitesh View Post
 

@Joker

Have you listened to Denon AH-C260R ?

Which would be a better option between AH-C260R and E10M ? Need an IEM around that budget with mic

 

    dont go for ahc-260 , you can opt for e10m , they are far better then c-260 .

post #12258 of 14636
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Originally Posted by FlySweep View Post
 

I took advantage of Noble Audio's BF sale and ordered a NA4 universal IEM, as well... comparison to my UERM & JH13 FP are sure to follow.  I figure I need to have at least one universal IEM around.. and being that I prefer a neutral/ish signature, this looks like a good choice.

 

I owned the Heir 4.A custom approx a year ago, too.. I was less than enthused with its sound.  The steep 4K dip (which wasn't 'revealed' when I received my 4.A) was something I caught onto immediately.. I went as so far to have my pair re-inspected cause I was certain a damper or something was missing.. the upper mids through treble sounded unnaturally dull.. so here's hoping the NA4 soundly addresses this as has been stated on the product page.

 

I've never heard the 4.A but I don't think the Noble has that problem.

 

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Originally Posted by Benik3 View Post
 

Nice reviews! But still I don't know, what to choose under $100 :confused_face(1):

 

I had MEE SP51 which I used with the "gun silver" tip. I like stronger but deep bass (sub-bass), warmer sound.

I looked on Sunrise Xcape IE or JVC HA-FXT90, but I'm still afraid, if it's not to "bass weak" for me...

I listen to rock, pop-rock, but also The Prodigy, Pendulum or Movits!

 

Any recommendations please? :) 

 

EDIT: Brookstone Dual drivers looks great for the price. Pity that you don't have them in review :/

 

Seems like the Yamaha EPH-100 would be a great fit for you. Last I checked it was around $115 on amazon with a few used ones available for less.

 

Other than that the FXT90 should be a decent fit. It doesn't have the best deep bass but it has good impact, certainly not worse than the SP51 on the medium setting you were using.


The Brookstone Dual isn't that bassy, either. I do have one but it's broken on me twice so I have been putting off the review. Great sound, just don't really trust the construction.

 

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Originally Posted by Hitesh View Post
 

@Joker

Have you listened to Denon AH-C260R ?

Which would be a better option between AH-C260R and E10M ? Need an IEM around that budget with mic

 

Never tried the C260 but the C360 was pretty sub-par. I'd go with the E10M.

post #12259 of 14636

*sigh*

 

I am stuck.

 

My Minerva Mi-1 customs (absolutely fantastic in every day) have packed in and the repair cost for a single driver unit is just far too rich for my bank account and financial position for the foreseeable future so after over 2 1/2 years, I am on the hunt for a pair of quality universal IEM's.

 

And beyond this thread I have absolutely no idea where it is best to turn...

 

My last universals were the HeadDirect RE-ZERO's. Not much on the bass end, reasonable speed for a dynamic but highs and mids that could soothe even the most angry beast on the right tracks. I loved them but they weren't in the same league as my Mi-1's for sound. Recently I've been using my Dad's pair of sub-$50 Meelec universals and they weren't too bad but they took some effort to EQ out and make them fun.

 

Ideally I'd love something like the RE-ZERO but of a higher grade/quality, analytic with fantastic mids and highs and controlled bass but I know that's not an easy task. I'm not a huge fan of Dynamic drivers as I find they can fatigue me easily (health issue which makes them fatigue my ears a bit faster than most) but I don't mind them, especially if the bass quality is reasonable and it's not thumping hard (Monster Turbines).

 

Personally I've been looking at the old stable Fischer Audio DBA-02's and the Mk II (£120) versions, as well as the Brainwavz B2 (£64) or R3's (£80, dual dynamics, I know). 

 

Could anyone give me a hand? Yes, I'm picky. With my health condition I can have sore ears/quickly fatigued ears with too much impact behind the bass for which I found the Monster Turbines to be awful for, even if it was enjoyable until that certain point.

 

I really do appreciate any advice given. As the Mi-1's would cost me over £200 to replace, the Brainwavz offerings sound fantastic and ideally I'd like to spend no more than £100 (about $160 in US currency, give or take $10). Alternatives are very much appreciated as the references and ideas I have posted above are just for reference/curiousity sake.

post #12260 of 14636

Ouch, still 2 and half years isn't bad for a set of headphones.  What's up with the mi's anyway? Know what you mean about the monster turbines.  The bass on those gave me a headache as well.  I think it's to do with the fact that the bass swamps the details so you turn it up to hear vocals etc more clearly and end up with a headache!

 

Just a thought but if you can a)wait and b) stretch to cover impressions and postage (don't know how much they are where you are for impressions) and want to stick with customs you could do worse than have a look at Cosmic Ears single ba which is going for a £100 atm.  The downside is they aren't taking orders until the 20th after clearing a mammoth backlog though so you wouldn't get anything back till January at the earliest.  They are also acrylic not silicone if that makes a difference.

 

Good luck getting em sorted.

post #12261 of 14636
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Originally Posted by davidcotton View Post
 

Ouch, still 2 and half years isn't bad for a set of headphones.  What's up with the mi's anyway? Know what you mean about the monster turbines.  The bass on those gave me a headache as well.  I think it's to do with the fact that the bass swamps the details so you turn it up to hear vocals etc more clearly and end up with a headache!

 

Just a thought but if you can a)wait and b) stretch to cover impressions and postage (don't know how much they are where you are for impressions) and want to stick with customs you could do worse than have a look at Cosmic Ears single ba which is going for a £100 atm.  The downside is they aren't taking orders until the 20th after clearing a mammoth backlog though so you wouldn't get anything back till January at the earliest.  They are also acrylic not silicone if that makes a difference.

 

Good luck getting em sorted.

 

The left monitor in my Mi's developed a bit of a crunch/crackle noise on certain tracks (tried difference sources, different versions of the track ie. YouTube Vs. my own FLAC rip Vs. my own CD) and I returned them to Minerva. They said there was a bit of wax blockage in there and moisture ingress which dropped volumes by 4dB in that monitor, which was said to be 'barely noticeable' . £12 to remove the blockage, £137 for a part rebuild or £205 for impressions and full rebuild with 12mo warranty... I picked the cleaning option, got them back and the left monitor is now quite even worse than when I sent it in. Much lower volume across the board, almost silent in some parts of some tracks, the audio quality is much reduced and the crunch/crackle is still there. My left ear is, as proved by hearing tests, my stronger and more sensitive ear so it's like my whole world has been shattered even if I've been tweaking EQ's and stereo balance settings to try to alleviate my issue and smooth things out.

 

The part-rebuild option doesn't take my fancy and it could easily be 6-12 months before I am readily able to afford a full new build with impressions (£205 is what I was offered and includes postage + new impressions, as opposed to the £215 normal). Plus, Lee Kennedy back in the day set me up with a certain kind of filters inside the Mi-1's as I found the standard sound to be a bit ... opposite of intimate ... and a bit, well I can't remember but I did review them and Lee fixed me up with a custom filter set which was epic for my tastes. There's no guarantee I'd be able to get those back either.

 

As far as customs go I've only ever had the Mi's and those were fantastic. I'm not sure I'd like to risk £100 and more I'm assuming for impressions and other bits on new, single driver custom made from acrylic. They could be fine but it's a fair chunk of change and I know universals are reasonably comfortable for my ears with single/double/tripled flange silicone or Comply foam tips.

 

Until I get financially back on my feet, £100'ish is the max I can spend and I think it's likely to be best spent on some universals. I can't live with my Dad's Meelcs for another week :D

post #12262 of 14636
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post
 

 

 

Seems like the Yamaha EPH-100 would be a great fit for you. Last I checked it was around $115 on amazon with a few used ones available for less.

 

Other than that the FXT90 should be a decent fit. It doesn't have the best deep bass but it has good impact, certainly not worse than the SP51 on the medium setting you were using.


The Brookstone Dual isn't that bassy, either. I do have one but it's broken on me twice so I have been putting off the review. Great sound, just don't really trust the construction.

 

 

or try the Moe SS01!

post #12263 of 14636

Wow! They are little over my budget, but I like the design (otherwise is also long as the MEE SP51).

 

BTW what about the Sunrise? You gave the v1 really high rating, and what I read, the version IE is only little warmer and with little more bass. That also looks promising...

post #12264 of 14636
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Originally Posted by ElcomeSoft View Post
 

*sigh*

 

I am stuck.

 

My Minerva Mi-1 customs (absolutely fantastic in every day) have packed in and the repair cost for a single driver unit is just far too rich for my bank account and financial position for the foreseeable future so after over 2 1/2 years, I am on the hunt for a pair of quality universal IEM's.

 

And beyond this thread I have absolutely no idea where it is best to turn...

 

My last universals were the HeadDirect RE-ZERO's. Not much on the bass end, reasonable speed for a dynamic but highs and mids that could soothe even the most angry beast on the right tracks. I loved them but they weren't in the same league as my Mi-1's for sound. Recently I've been using my Dad's pair of sub-$50 Meelec universals and they weren't too bad but they took some effort to EQ out and make them fun.

 

Ideally I'd love something like the RE-ZERO but of a higher grade/quality, analytic with fantastic mids and highs and controlled bass but I know that's not an easy task. I'm not a huge fan of Dynamic drivers as I find they can fatigue me easily (health issue which makes them fatigue my ears a bit faster than most) but I don't mind them, especially if the bass quality is reasonable and it's not thumping hard (Monster Turbines).

 

Personally I've been looking at the old stable Fischer Audio DBA-02's and the Mk II (£120) versions, as well as the Brainwavz B2 (£64) or R3's (£80, dual dynamics, I know). 

 

Could anyone give me a hand? Yes, I'm picky. With my health condition I can have sore ears/quickly fatigued ears with too much impact behind the bass for which I found the Monster Turbines to be awful for, even if it was enjoyable until that certain point.

 

I really do appreciate any advice given. As the Mi-1's would cost me over £200 to replace, the Brainwavz offerings sound fantastic and ideally I'd like to spend no more than £100 (about $160 in US currency, give or take $10). Alternatives are very much appreciated as the references and ideas I have posted above are just for reference/curiousity sake.

 

The DBA-02/mkII/B2 are all brighter than the RE-ZERO so they might be fatiguing for you (although I'm honestly not sure how the Mi-1 sounds). The R3 is smoother/less bright but the fit is not nearly as easy-going as the similarly-priced HiFiMan RE-400 and the sound is not better. The RE-400 is honestly the better option of the two. 

 

The VSonic GR07 and Philips Fidelio S2 are good options in your price range but again both have more treble energy and can be more harsh than the RE-ZERO and RE-400. The Etymotic HF5 is another very solid earphone - again a little more treble presence than the RE-ZERO/RE-400 but still a little more forgiving than the DBA-02/B2. 

 

TL;DR - The HiFiMan RE-400 is the safe option, the HF5 is the neutral option with more treble presence, the GR07/Fidelio S2 have more bass impact but still not too much (definitely not at Turbine level). The DBA-02/B2 can be fatiguing if you aren't used to energetic treble but have very fast and level bass.

 

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Originally Posted by Benik3 View Post
 

Wow! They are little over my budget, but I like the design (otherwise is also long as the MEE SP51).

 

BTW what about the Sunrise? You gave the v1 really high rating, and what I read, the version IE is only little warmer and with little more bass. That also looks promising...


The V1 doesn't have enough bass for you and I can't really recommend the Xcape IE because of the build quality. You have to be very gentle with it.

post #12265 of 14636

Joker, I was hoping you could comment on the aesthetic quality (amount of bubbles, overall transparency, lacquer polish/smoothness, etc.) of the silicone CIEMs you possess. AFAIK, you have the Noble 4S, CustomArt Music One, Spiral Ears SE 3-Way Reference, and Sensaphonics 3MAX?


Edited by tomscy2000 - 12/7/13 at 8:12pm
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post
 

 

The DBA-02/mkII/B2 are all brighter than the RE-ZERO so they might be fatiguing for you (although I'm honestly not sure how the Mi-1 sounds). The R3 is smoother/less bright but the fit is not nearly as easy-going as the similarly-priced HiFiMan RE-400 and the sound is not better. The RE-400 is honestly the better option of the two. 

 

The VSonic GR07 and Philips Fidelio S2 are good options in your price range but again both have more treble energy and can be more harsh than the RE-ZERO and RE-400. The Etymotic HF5 is another very solid earphone - again a little more treble presence than the RE-ZERO/RE-400 but still a little more forgiving than the DBA-02/B2. 

 

TL;DR - The HiFiMan RE-400 is the safe option, the HF5 is the neutral option with more treble presence, the GR07/Fidelio S2 have more bass impact but still not too much (definitely not at Turbine level). The DBA-02/B2 can be fatiguing if you aren't used to energetic treble but have very fast and level bass.

 

As my Mi-1's had a custom filter, different from the standard Mi-1's, I am not sure how to categorise them either :)

 

Joker, as always, you go above and beyond what I expected to deliver experience, details and advice to provide assistance to people who pop in here. I'll spend a little while looking at the options you've put forward, check and compare prices (right now, the B2's are just over £60 which is at the $95 USD mark, seems tempting). 

 

As I have just been helping deliver Level 1 Principles in Customer Service at my place of work I wish I could use this thread and posts like these as demonstrations of good customer service for the learners :)

 

Thank you for all of your help.

post #12267 of 14636

Joker,

I posted a thread in the Help section, but I haven't gotten much info, but here's what I wanted from my new IEM:

A somewhat balanced sound (no harsh treble or monster bass)
Low microphonics (an absolute must)
If possible one with a flat impedance curve from 20Hz-20kHz (dynamic), so I kind of want to stay aware from armature/multi-armature (I plan to use it with multiple sources)
Not an over the ear design
Low isolation (so if a classmate near me calls me out, I can still hear while listening on medium volumes)
Around $100 USD

I originally settled on the JVC FX500 because of the low isolation and microphonics, but it's not easily acquired in the US. I've switched my choice to the Philips Fidelio S1 going by your reviews on InnerFidelity and on The Headphone List.

So I want to ask you, any alternatives worth considering again? Or is the Fidelio S1 the best for my situation?

Oh, and thanks for being an awesome community member who takes his time to do all these reviews and even help on recommendations. :biggrin:

post #12268 of 14636
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Originally Posted by tomscy2000 View Post
 

Joker, I was hoping you could comment on the aesthetic quality (amount of bubbles, overall transparency, lacquer polish/smoothness, etc.) of the silicone CIEMs you possess. AFAIK, you have the Noble 4S, CustomArt Music One, Spiral Ears SE 3-Way Reference, and Sensaphonics 3MAX?

 

Sure, in short, Noble >= Custom Art >> Spiral Ear > Sensaphonics

 

The Noble has the advantage of using acrylic faceplaces so you can't see the silicone artifacts so well, plus you get artwork and all that. Even ignoring that the quality is still excellent - not as clear as acrylic, obviously, but pretty transparent and with no visible bubbles or other imperfections. Finish is fairly smooth, not grooved or rough. The Custom Art is much the same except no acrylic faceplates. The clear parts of my Music One are actually a little "clearer" than the Noble but it's not a big difference.

 

The SE 3-way Reference has some roughness to the finish and feels a little more "rubbery" at first. This goes away over time. No bubbles that I can see but it's a dark shell. The Sensaphonics have some bubbles, etc, and aren't as transparent as the Music One or Noble.

 

 

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Originally Posted by ElcomeSoft View Post
 

 

As my Mi-1's had a custom filter, different from the standard Mi-1's, I am not sure how to categorise them either :)

 

Joker, as always, you go above and beyond what I expected to deliver experience, details and advice to provide assistance to people who pop in here. I'll spend a little while looking at the options you've put forward, check and compare prices (right now, the B2's are just over £60 which is at the $95 USD mark, seems tempting). 

 

As I have just been helping deliver Level 1 Principles in Customer Service at my place of work I wish I could use this thread and posts like these as demonstrations of good customer service for the learners :)

 

Thank you for all of your help.

 

That's funny. Glad to help! :beerchug:

 

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Originally Posted by Samurai Boy View Post
 

Joker,

I posted a thread in the Help section, but I haven't gotten much info, but here's what I wanted from my new IEM:

A somewhat balanced sound (no harsh treble or monster bass)
Low microphonics (an absolute must)
If possible one with a flat impedance curve from 20Hz-20kHz (dynamic), so I kind of want to stay aware from armature/multi-armature (I plan to use it with multiple sources)
Not an over the ear design
Low isolation (so if a classmate near me calls me out, I can still hear while listening on medium volumes)
Around $100 USD

I originally settled on the JVC FX500 because of the low isolation and microphonics, but it's not easily acquired in the US. I've switched my choice to the Philips Fidelio S1 going by your reviews on InnerFidelity and on The Headphone List.

So I want to ask you, any alternatives worth considering again? Or is the Fidelio S1 the best for my situation?

Oh, and thanks for being an awesome community member who takes his time to do all these reviews and even help on recommendations. :biggrin:

 

Thanks :beerchug:

 

The FX500 definitely has enhanced bass so I do think the Fidelio is more along the lines of what you're looking for even just for sound. I can't think of a better option than the S1 - the alternatives all have more bass and some of them have other issues (e.g. microphonics on the Onkyo IE-HF300). The S1 has a bit of microphonics but definitely isn't bad at all. Isolation is average-ish - it actually isolates better than the FX500 but not too well. 

post #12269 of 14636

I've previously owned the Etymotic ER4P and ran it with a P-S converter, RSA Hornet, and lineout dock. This was years ago, and i've since sold off all of my gear.

 

If i'm looking to get back in the game, which (more recent) IEM in the Ety ER4 price range is a comparable buy in terms of sound quality? or should i just get another pair of the ER4P?

post #12270 of 14636

i think you can live with dba-2 / brainwavz b2 , these have more treble energy but are nearly as clear as er-4p , and are cheaper too .

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