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Originally Posted by mechgamer123 View Post

No, you would be foolish to get it.

I heard two different WooDUOs and I thought both of them were horrid. I'm surprised Joker rated them so highly... The sound is just horrid IMO and I would've probably rated them even lower. Get the MH1C if you want that kind of sound tongue.gif


 

I already purchased the WooDUO2's.. just waiting for them to ship it.. I hope I don't share that same experience. O_o

And I ordered the MH1C's off of eBay last week.. so I expect those in soon too..

 

I have a list of budget-fi gear that I'm going after.. Whether I like them or not.. it's still a fun journey *experiencing gear* up next = Soundmagic e10, GR07BE, TDK BA200, Sony XBA3, Ety HF5 (eventually.. not all at once lol)

Or I just might get *half* from that list.. and aim for Westone 4's or UE900s (I like the UE sound sig so far.. but I've only experienced 6000 and 600 from UE)

 

post #11072 of 14583

Hi everyone!

i was wondering what would be considered a similar or better phone than the

Meelec A161P with a similar sound profile?

i really love my A161P but i always make sure bass boost is on.

i use a special app with my Galaxy phone ("DSP Manager") that enables direct access

to the phone's DAC, and the bass boost really adds a lot and i can't notice it being

at the cost of anything else.

i wonder why they didn't make the phone like that to begin with,

and i wonder what happens if i upgrade my phone.

is the Meelec A161P the bassiest single-ba around?

i also love the fact it's not sibilant.

i think it makes a lot of sense to tweak a phone towards the bass...that way you get

to enjoy both the ba's clarity tendency + bass...

what a wonderful little earphone this is :)


Edited by Amitl - 7/30/13 at 5:07pm
post #11073 of 14583
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mechgamer123 View Post

No, you would be foolish to get it.

I heard two different WooDUOs and I thought both of them were horrid. I'm surprised Joker rated them so highly... The sound is just horrid IMO and I would've probably rated them even lower. Get the MH1C if you want that kind of sound tongue.gif

 

The Wooduo has quite a bit more bass than the MH1C, though, so it's not really the same type of sound. The Wooduo is safely in basshead territory.

 

 

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Originally Posted by mechgamer123 View Post

Welp, I have the UE900s and I think my impressions with them are just about on par with yours Joker. They definitely have too much lower midrange, but once I EQ that area down, they sound wonderful. Now to figure out how to apply a custom EQ on my iPod and I'll be good.

I also noticed that female vocals are indeed a little bit muffled. Would you say the 1964ears V3s would do a better job at handling female vocalists? I'm looking for a GR07-esque sound where the bass is a bit boosted and center stage is nice and intimate with female vocalists.

 

 

The V3 is bassier and more intimate/aggressive than the UE900. I do think it does a better job with female vocalists but it's also not very similar to the GR07 overall - the GR07 is more akin to the Alclair Reference, with milder bass boost and less in-your-face mids compared to the 1964-V3.

 

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by lukEM22 View Post

Joker, could I get a reccomendation;

I have the Vsonic GR99 and I like them a lot, even compared to my more expensive IEMs. I boght my dad some GR02s and I like them a lot too, and am looking to upgrade (want something better than both) I like the design of both of these IEMs and love the Vsonic sound except for one thing, the "S" sound has a little too much hiss to it ex: instead of the word sounding like "something" it sounds like "sssomething" Looking at some UE, Sony model, the RE-400 and also the higher Vsonic models. One thing I do not want is for the IEMs to protrude too much out of my ear because I may be sleeping in them. Budget is >$200. Basically just want a more refined version of the two low end vsonics.

I listen to some laid back rock, alternative, and rap music.

 

The "S" sound you are referring to is called sibilance. Sibilance, to varying degrees, is present in all of the VSonic dynamic-driver IEMs I've tried. It's actually least prominent on the GR99 or maybe the R02 Silver. If you're worried about it VSonic is probably not the way to go for an upgrade. The RE-400 does not accentuate sibilance but it also doesn't have the bass quantity of the GR99 or R02. It's very small, though. For a more bass-heavy option that still avoids sibilance pretty well, the Yamaha EPH-100 would be worth a look. 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Amitl View Post

Hi everyone!

i was wondering what would be considered a similar or better phone than the

Meelec A161P with a similar sound profile?

i really love my A161P but i always make sure bass boost is on.

i use a special app with my Galaxy phone ("DSP Manager") that enables direct access

to the phone's DAC, and the bass boost really adds a lot and i can't notice it being

at the cost of anything else.

i wonder why they didn't make the phone like that to begin with,

 

Probably because it's already got enough bass for those who like a balanced sound. Make it bassier and it's no longer a "reference" earphone.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Amitl View Post

 

 

is the Meelec A161P the bassiest single-ba around?

 

 

 

The Phonak Perfect Bass (022) has more bass. The Final Audio Heaven S/C have more bass. The Klipsch X10 has a lot more bass.

 

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Originally Posted by Amitl View Post

 

i also love the fact it's not sibilant.

i think it makes a lot of sense to tweak a phone towards the bass...that way you get

to enjoy both the ba's clarity tendency + bass...

what a wonderful little earphone this is :)

 

Tuning the hardware for more bass will affect the sound in other ways, e.g. by reducing the clarity. See: all of the earphones out there that come with tuning filters. At that point you're better off using a parametric EQ to get the sound you want.

post #11074 of 14583
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post

 

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Originally Posted by mechgamer123 View Post

Welp, I have the UE900s and I think my impressions with them are just about on par with yours Joker. They definitely have too much lower midrange, but once I EQ that area down, they sound wonderful. Now to figure out how to apply a custom EQ on my iPod and I'll be good.

I also noticed that female vocals are indeed a little bit muffled. Would you say the 1964ears V3s would do a better job at handling female vocalists? I'm looking for a GR07-esque sound where the bass is a bit boosted and center stage is nice and intimate with female vocalists.

 

 

The V3 is bassier and more intimate/aggressive than the UE900. I do think it does a better job with female vocalists but it's also not very similar to the GR07 overall - the GR07 is more akin to the Alclair Reference, with milder bass boost and less in-your-face mids compared to the 1964-V3.

So, would it be safe to say the V3 is a bit more "fun" or "crazy" than the GR07? Sounds like it might be right up my alley. smily_headphones1.gif

post #11075 of 14583
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post

 

The "S" sound you are referring to is called sibilance. Sibilance, to varying degrees, is present in all of the VSonic dynamic-driver IEMs I've tried. It's actually least prominent on the GR99 or maybe the R02 Silver. If you're worried about it VSonic is probably not the way to go for an upgrade. The RE-400 does not accentuate sibilance but it also doesn't have the bass quantity of the GR99 or R02. It's very small, though. For a more bass-heavy option that still avoids sibilance pretty well, the Yamaha EPH-100 would be worth a look. 

 

 

 

Thank you joker, another question, similair to my first one really. Just need a reccomendation:
The sound of a Sony MH1C without the J-cable. I cant stand that cable but absolutely love how they sound.

post #11076 of 14583
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mechgamer123 View Post

So, would it be safe to say the V3 is a bit more "fun" or "crazy" than the GR07? Sounds like it might be right up my alley. smily_headphones1.gif

 

Yes. More "colored" would be another way to say it...

 

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Originally Posted by lukEM22 View Post

 

Thank you joker, another question, similair to my first one really. Just need a reccomendation:
The sound of a Sony MH1C without the J-cable. I cant stand that cable but absolutely love how they sound.


Hmm.. I wish I had something that sounds like the MH1C without that cable. Best bet in the same price range would probably be the Shure SE215. It's a little less bassy but still a warmer earphone. Going up in price, best option is probably something like a Monster Turbine Pro Gold but that's quite expensive. 

post #11077 of 14583

Hi joker,

i would like upgrade my senn ie8, do you think that jvc ha-fx700 is a good idea?

Thanks

post #11078 of 14583

Hi ljokerl,

 

Can't wait your review of Vsonic VSD1 compared with GR02 BE and GR07 BE :) Mine has already burned in for about 100 hours, but still there is very noticeable sibilance. Do you think burning in further would minimize it?

 

What would you suggest IEM that can compete with ATH-M50 in term of SQ, but with more forward midrange, preferably under $200. :)


Edited by ctantra - 7/31/13 at 6:00am
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Edited by stimer - 7/31/13 at 7:14am
post #11080 of 14583
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by reckca View Post

Hi joker,

i would like upgrade my senn ie8, do you think that jvc ha-fx700 is a good idea?

Thanks

 

Depends on what you're looking for from your "upgrade". The FX700 is one of the best bass-heavy universals I've heard and enjoys less bloat than the IE8 and a bit more clarity and resolution. The IE8 isn't too shabby itself, though. 

 

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Originally Posted by ctantra View Post

Hi ljokerl,

 

Can't wait your review of Vsonic VSD1 compared with GR02 BE and GR07 BE :) Mine has already burned in for about 100 hours, but still there is very noticeable sibilance. Do you think burning in further would minimize it?


I doubt it. You're better off playing with different tips and insertion depth. Mine is mildly sibilant as well after a month or so. 

 

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Originally Posted by ctantra View Post

 

What would you suggest IEM that can compete with ATH-M50 in term of SQ, but with more forward midrange, preferably under $200. :)


I haven't heard the M50 in a while. If you're worried about sibilance I would say the Philips Fidelio S2. It'll sound like a more accurate version of the your VSD1, with less bass boost, mids that are in line with the rest of the sound, and less tendency to exaggerate sibilance. Another option is the JVC HA-FXT90, which is more colored-sounding than the Fidelios, with more mid-bass boost, but has a pretty aggressive sound that doesn't distance the mids. 

post #11081 of 14583
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post

 

Depends on what you're looking for from your "upgrade". The FX700 is one of the best bass-heavy universals I've heard and enjoys less bloat than the IE8 and a bit more clarity and resolution. The IE8 isn't too shabby itself, though. 

 

 

 

And what do you think are the best bass heavy universals, better than ie8?

post #11082 of 14583
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by reckca View Post

 

And what do you think are the best bass heavy universals, better than ie8?


For me it's probably the IE 800.

post #11083 of 14583
Thread Starter 

Added Lime Ears LE3 and LE3B CIEMs

 

 


(1A8/1A9) Lime Ears LE3 and LE3B

 

 

Added Jul 2013

Details: sister flagship CIEMs from Poland-based Lime Ears
Current Price: 529€ (est. $700) from limeears.com 
Specs: Driver: 3 BA / 3-way crossover | Imp: 46Ω | Sens: 109 dB | Freq: N/A | Cable: 4.3' L-plug
Wear Style: Over-the-ear

Accessories (4/5) - Hard-shell crushproof carrying case and tube of ear lubricant
Build Quality (5/5) – Construction is on-par with the likes of 1964EARS and Alclair, falling just short of pricier UM and Hidition sets. The acrylic shells have a very smooth finish and while my LE3B unit has some mild internal imperfections, the shells of the newer LE3 are very clear. The earphones boast recessed 2-pin connectors in the common configuration. There are five standard colors and myriad other customization options available. The cables have a smooth feel but suffer from a bit of memory character, maintaining their shape after being coiled up for storage. On the upside, unlike most clear cables found on custom monitors, these don’t seem to oxidize and turn green over time
Isolation (4/5) – Similar to my other shallow-fit acrylic customs and slightly below that of the Hidition NT6 and Etymotic Research universals
Microphonics (5/5) – Nearly nonexistent in the smooth clear-coated cable
Comfort (5/5) – The LE3 and LE3B have medium length nozzles and are very comfortable when fitted correctly. As usual, if the CIEMs seem uncomfortable after an initial break-in period, a refit is probably a good idea. There is added cost with shipping and, if necessary, getting new impressions but on the whole a perfect fit is well worth the trouble

Sound (9.6/10) – Lime Ears currently offers two different configurations of their triple-driver flagship. The standard LE3 provides a balanced and neutral sound while the LE3B, built by request only at this time, is an alternate tuning meant to supply a warmer tone with more bass kick. This review will cover both units.

The standard LE3 offers up a balanced sound with a very mild warm tilt, akin to the JHAudio JH13 or, from the realm of universals, a newer HiFiMan set. To my ears, it is more uncolored than the vast majority of my other custom-fit earphones. The Hidition NT6, for example, is brighter than the LE3 and tends to emphasize treble more while the Spiral Ear SE-3 is warmer with its deep, visceral bass. The bottom end of the LE3 lacks a little in the way of extension – while not exactly poor in this regard, it definitely gives up depth to its enhanced-bass sibling.

That’s pretty much the extent of the LE3’s concessions, however – moving up from the subbass region, it boasts punchy and controlled bass and clean, accurate mids with no hint of recession. It remains smooth through the upper midrange and treble, coming across as quite forgiving for an IEM with such a neutral tone. There is a bit of crispness missing compared to higher-end sets but nothing drastic and despite the soft treble character, the LE3 does not sound dark, again reminding me of current-gen HiFiMan earphones. The LE3 also provides a sonic image that’s neither forward nor too far back, thanks to its prominent, veil-free midrange. Compared to higher-end custom-fit sets, the only thing its presentation is a bit of depth – in this regard it is similar to top-tier universals such as the AKG K3003.

Switching over to the LE3B, the enhanced bass immediately makes itself known. The two earphones have many similarities – as they should, using identical drivers and all, but the LE3B delivers on its promise of extra bass, putting out perhaps the best combination of quantity and quality I’ve heard out of a single bass driver. In this regard the LE3B competes with the pricier Westone ES5. Compared to the LE3, the warmer and bassier LE3B boasts not only more punch but also less roll-off while the extra bass impact and depth lend it a richer, fuller, more dynamic sound.

The bass of the LE3 on the other hand, lacks the depth and rumble of the LE3B’s bass and its presentation actually seems more intimate next to the more dynamic LE3B. The less prominent bass of the LE3 results in a cooler overall tone and slightly cleaner mids. The difference in clarity is small between the two, however, and the treble is very similar - smooth but not lacking in presence.


Select Comparisons – Lime Ears LE3

Clear Tune Monitors CTM-200 ($350)

The most reasonably-priced of my customs, the CTM-200 is a dual driver that strives towards a flat/neutral sound, which made it the perfect starting point for LE3 comparisons. Compared to the CTM-200, the LE3 has better bass presence and sounds a little warmer overall. The bass is both deeper and more impactful, which results in the Lime Ears having a more natural and dynamic sound. The midrange of the CTM-200 seems more forward overall while the LE3 is more relaxed. The treble of the LE3 is smoother, though the CTM-200 is not a harsh-sounding earphone. The differences in the midrange and treble are minor and can easily be chalked up to preference. Presentation, however, is a win for the Lime Ears – they are simply more spacious and well-separated, with better imaging and depth that cause the CTM-200, with its more forward mids, to sound a bit flat and dull in comparison.

Alclair Reference ($399)

While still pricier than the CTM-200, the Alclair Reference recently underwent a $100 price drop to a more comfortable price point, which has worked in favor of its value proposition. The Reference keeps up with the LE3 very well, with the only major differences stemming from its midrange and treble presentation. Signature-wise, the Reference is a very mildly v-shaped earphone that reminds me more of the UM Miracle and VSonic GR07. Its lower midrange sounds a little withdrawn compared to the more balanced Lime Ears but otherwise the two earphones have a lot in common right up to the upper midrange, which is noticeably grainier on the Reference. This theme continues through the treble, which is more harsh and sibilant with the Alclairs. The extra treble energy of the Reference does make it seem clearer at times, but it’s a dubious tradeoff that causes me to choose the LE3 almost every time.

Unique Melody Miracle ($949)

A top-tier flagship that has been popular for several years running, the Miracle is a mildly v-shaped earphone, though one with fewer caveats than the cheaper Alclair Reference. Compared to the LE3, the Miracle has better deep bass, with extension that easily matches the bass-heavy LE3B tuning of the Lime Ears, but without of the bloat. The UM is a little warmer overall and suffers from a slightly recessed midrange in comparison to the LE3, which actually appears more balanced as a result. The Miracle does catch up in treble presence, with a top end that is more prominent but still a little more refined and just as smooth as that of the Lime Ears. Overall, I was impressed with how well the LE3 kept up with the Miracle - its downsides were not as obvious as those of the LE3B and its midrange was actually preferable much of the time.

JHAudio JH13 Pro Freqphase ($1099)

Currently my CIEM of choice, the JH13 Freqphase is yet another neutrality-oriented custom that made for a natural comparison with the LE3 – indeed, I found the signature of the JH13 to be more similar to the Lime Ears than those of the Alclair and Unique Melody sets. In terms of performance, the LE3 is less extended at either end and not as clean, crisp, and resolving as the JH13. The JH13 also offers up a bit more bass punch, exercises tighter control over its low end, and provides slightly more convincing imaging but the two earphones definitely share a similar sound signature, with the LE3 approximating the sound and performance of the JH13 as well as can be expected for the price.


Select Comparisons – Lime Ears LE3B

EarSonics SM64 ($399)

Like the LE3B, EarSonics’ universal-fit flagship utilizes a 3-way, triple-armature setup and pursues a sound on the warm side of neutral. Compared to the SM64, the bass of the LE3B is a little more enhanced – not in depth, but certainly in impact and overall power. Despite this, the clarity of the LE3B is slightly better and overall detailing appears better as well, likely because the upper midrange dip of the SM64 is not present. There also is more treble energy with the LE3B which, combined with the flatter midrange-treble transition, makes it less forgiving and more prone to exposing sibilance. That’s not to say the LE3B is sibilant on its own – it isn’t – but the SM64 is a more tolerant of such artifacts in recordings. Lastly, the presentation of the LE3B is slightly wider whereas the SM64 appears more intimate, though still far from congested.

1964EARS 1964-V3 ($425)

1964EARS’ triple-BA model is tuned for a decidedly consumer-friendly sound with big bass and sparkly, energetic, treble. The enhanced-bass Lime Ears boast a bit less bass than the V3 and offer a slightly clearer and more neutral overall sound. The midrange of the LE3B is flatter, in contrast to the bumped-up, more forward mids of the V3. The treble is smoother, with less sparkle but also less danger of harshness and sibilance. The V3, on the other hand, tends to be fairly revealing of sibilance and more colored-sounding overall. In terms of presentation, the V3 is more aggressive while the Lime Ears are more laid-back.

Unique Melody Miracle ($949)

Unique Melody’s flagship IEM offers a level sound signature more in line with the regular LE3, but for the sake of posterity I decided to compare it to the LE3B as well. Unsurprisingly, the results are much the same as when the LE3B is pitted against the LE3. Next to the Miracle, the LE3B sounds mid-bassy and bloated, with a warmer overall tone and a slight loss in overall clarity and refinement. The Miracle boasts more treble presence/energy, is more neutral in tone, and enjoys a slightly more spacious presentation. Still, though I found myself leaning towards the Miracle more here than in the LE3/Miracle comparison, the difference between the two can easily be negated by signature preferences.

FitEar To Go! 334 ($1345)

The TG334 is quite similar in performance to the LE3B but whereas the FitEar is unabashedly warm and dark, the Lime Ears at least make an attempt at a reference sound. Overall, the LE3B is more balanced and neutral while still offering good bass punch. The more prominent treble of the LE3B makes it sound a touch clearer and its soundstage is a little more out-of-the-head. Other than that, the two earphones are about even in performance, with both lacking a bit of treble extension and some of the refinement of more neutral sets. I preferred one or the other on most of the tracks used in the comparison, but never strongly.

Value (8.5/10) – Operational for only a few months so far, Lime Ears is off to a very good start with their first flagships, the LE3 and LE3B. Functionally and aesthetically, the earphones are identical, with the same customization options, construction, and accessories. In terms of sound, the LE3 is a reference monitor that sacrifices a bit of bass depth to maintain a clearer, more prominent midrange while the LE3B is warmer and bassier without throwing accuracy under the bus. Both units offer advantages over the entry-level customs I’ve previously come across and compete with pricier earphones. As for choosing between the two, there’s no right or wrong answer, but I have found the bass depth and dynamics of the LE3B very persuasive in day to day listening.

Pros: Both tunings offer competitive performance for their sound signatures; cables resist oxidation
Cons: Cables prone to memory effect

post #11084 of 14583

Great review of the Lime Ears offerings; I especially enjoyed the comparisons.  It's always a positive thing to see detailed CIEM reviews.

 

Though I note at the asking price it would be up against Alclair's RSM 4 driver model, not the Reference.  Against Clear Tunes it competes directly with the 5 driver CT-500 (my daily driver for a good many months).


Edited by Deviltooth - 8/1/13 at 12:54am
post #11085 of 14583
@ljokerl

Sir, I need your opinion on the following as you are the one who has listened to both Ultimate Ears 500 & 600.

I like both Rap (Eminem) and classical rock(Led Zepp, Nirvana) equally. After reading your reviews, I am unable to decide between these two.

I would like clear guitar riffs which is better in UE600 but I am worried to miss deep bass beats in Rap songs (Which I believe will be better in UE500). As I understand that bass is extremely low in UE600 where UE500 still manages to do ok in highs. Should I go for UE500 or UE600? Which will be a better trade-off?

I am also worried about cable durability on UE500 as pointed by many head-fiers here, I broke my she3590 and soundmagic es-18 recently. How is the build quality of UE500 compared to these two? Should taping a duct tape at the jack-wire joint will solve the issue?

Thanks in advance...

PS: I am sticking with UE because this is the only decent headphone brand available in India with good after sales service. You won't find shure, Hifi-man etc. here. frown.gif
Edited by mangatmodi - 8/1/13 at 6:20am
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