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No worries ljokerl...Too bad for JH Audio then...their loss. In fact I was so impressed with your review of the JH13 Pro that I went and test the universal version of JH13 pro (universal version is not for sale...demo purpose only). I'm so impressed that I'm about to take the plunge on a universal Roxanne (because JH Audio won't sell universal version of JH13 Pro) but was waiting for your "seal of approval" before taking the plunge. Too bad I can't test the universal Roxanne yet because JH Audio is so slow in responding to our local distributor so I guess I'll just put it on hold until I can test it. Apparently they're very slow in replying their emails...I was told. Not a very good sign for business.

 

Then again, there's the Noble K10....


Edited by Francisk - 2/22/14 at 9:19pm
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Joker, how does the RHA MA750s bass compare to the Monster Turbine Pros?

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Originally Posted by Mdraluck23 View Post
 

Joker, my hero, any chance you've tried the new Audio Technica line? Specifically the IM02. 

 

Or if anyone has comparisons to some of the TWFK's...

 

Sorry, the only new Audio-Technica release I've tried is the CKX5.

 

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Joker, how does the RHA MA750s bass compare to the Monster Turbine Pros?

 

Pretty similar bass quantity and quality but the Turbines tend to smoother at the top so there's a tendency to listen to them at higher volumes, which of course increases the perceived bass impact.

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Joker, any CIEM you'd recommend for a VC1000 lover? Same signature but better technically..

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PFEs with grey filters might be a good choice for your criteria if you have a powerful source like X3.

 

 

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+1 ozkan... Phonak PFE012 with grey filters sounds amazing. Very hard to beat at that price.

 

Hard to believe I would get near the bass impact I am looking for out of these. Can this really be an option?

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Hard to believe I would get near the bass impact I am looking for out of these. Can this really be an option?


I've never heard the 750 but if the bass quantity is similar to Monster Turbines the Phonaks will not have anywhere near that amount of bass quantity. The Phonaks are a great all-rounder with a lot of good qualities, detail, and extension, but if you're looking for sub-bass quantity I don't think they'll fit your requirements, even with the bass filters.

 

Before reading joker's recommendation for you I thought the Dunu DN1000 and Yamaha EPH-100 could both be good alternatives to the 750 sound signature, so points for me I guess for being on the same wavelength as joker.

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I've never heard the 750 but if the bass quantity is similar to Monster Turbines the Phonaks will not have anywhere near that amount of bass quantity. The Phonaks are a great all-rounder with a lot of good qualities, detail, and extension, but if you're looking for sub-bass quantity I don't think they'll fit your requirements, even with the bass filters.

 

Before reading joker's recommendation for you I thought the Dunu DN1000 and Yamaha EPH-100 could both be good alternatives to the 750 sound signature, so points for me I guess for being on the same wavelength as joker.

That was my thought as well. I forgot to add one caveat to my requirements a I have started this research over the weekend: I need iPhone Mic and controls. The Dunu and Yamaha are not going to get me those. This is turning out to be tougher than I thought. 

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That was my thought as well. I forgot to add one caveat to my requirements a I have started this research over the weekend: I need iPhone Mic and controls. The Dunu and Yamaha are not going to get me those. This is turning out to be tougher than I thought. 

 

If you are willing to sacrifice inherent subbass levels, you *could* try something like the Phonaks (which were extremely comfortable for me) and just boosting levels through an EQ or something like the Digizoid ZO. I'm not a fan of EQs myself but it's an option.

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Originally Posted by rodweb View Post
 

Joker, any CIEM you'd recommend for a VC1000 lover? Same signature but better technically..

 

Nothing with exactly the same signature but I think a VC1000 fan would enjoy all of these:

 

Noble 4S - more full-bodied and a touch smoothed-over in comparison to the VC1000 but very balanced overall with a more natural timbre

JHA JH13 Pro - bassier than the VC1000 with a more exciting sound, but still extremely transparent and accurate

Hidition NT6 - a little brighter than VC1000 but otherwise probably the most similar in note presentation - an extremely clear and detailed earphone

UM Miracle - slightly more distanced in the midrange which makes the bass (est. deep bass) seem a little more prominent compared to the VC1000 and Noble 4S, but otherwise similar

1964 V6-Stage - a bit more colored than the Miracle but not too different

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Added brief impressions of a couple of new IEMs - the T-Peos Tank/Popular/Spider, Accidentally Extraordinary Bamboo, Meze 11 Deco, NarMoo R1M, Astrotec AX35, and Olasonic Flat-4 Nami. The full post can be found here.

 

The TL;DR version:

 

  • The T-Peos Tank and Popular are turning out to be pretty good $40 earphones, with the Tank being warmer and bassier and the Popular more neutral, but still with excellent bass. The newer T-Peos Spider is similar but so far seems to lose out slightly to the two other T-Peos sets. The Tank and Popular, and maybe the Spider, will get full reviews later on.
  • The Accidentally Extraordinary Bamboo Earbuds provide forward mids rarely found in entry-level IEMs but lack the clarity and refinement of the best entry-level sets. No full review for these.
  • The Meze 11 Deco looks very pretty but is too bassy for its own good and will not get a full review.
  • The NarMoo R1M features interchangeable tuning ports/screws that range from enhanced-bass to very bassy. In its most balanced configuration it sounds a little edgy but boasts good clarity and a formidable soundstage considering the $30 price tag. Worth a closer look later on.
  • The Astrotec AX35 is a singe-BA/dynamic hybrid from Astrotec with a clear, slightly v-shaped signature. It sounds good and should be less polarizing than T-Peos' pricier H-100 hybrid, so it will get a full review.
  • The Olasonic Flat-4 Nami dual-dynamic monitors come with a high price tag and very unique sound signature - open-sounding and very clear, with tight bass, they are pretty bright and heavy on the treble. Best used at lower volumes, but they seem competitive so far and will most likely get a full review.

 

The not-so-brief version of these brief impressions can be found here.

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Hey joker! Nice to see you're still truckin. As usual your reviews are fantastic and are quite comprehensive. I've used this thread a boatload of times as a gold standard when recommending IEMs to my friends who are just getting into higher quality headphones.

 

My question for you - have you encountered anything that's basically an upgraded version of the RE262 (specifically, extension at both ends and detail in the treble)? I've skimmed over most of your sub-250 IEMs and didn't see anything that would do the trick, or looked large, awkward, and low on comfort. From what I can tell the RE-400 is what comes the closest, but it's more of a mix between the RE-ZERO and the RE-262. Any other alternatives? Thanks!

 

I've heard the TDK IE800 described as an improved RE262, for what it's worth.  I'm always pumping these IEMs as they're so cheap now and punch way above their weight.  I've been patiently waiting and hoping that one day Joker will get his hands on a pair.  People who own both the IE800 and the BA200 seem to be split on which they prefer and the BA200 is very well liked. 

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Originally Posted by Ikarios View Post
 

Hey joker! Nice to see you're still truckin. As usual your reviews are fantastic and are quite comprehensive. I've used this thread a boatload of times as a gold standard when recommending IEMs to my friends who are just getting into higher quality headphones.

 

My question for you - have you encountered anything that's basically an upgraded version of the RE262 (specifically, extension at both ends and detail in the treble)? I've skimmed over most of your sub-250 IEMs and didn't see anything that would do the trick, or looked large, awkward, and low on comfort. From what I can tell the RE-400 is what comes the closest, but it's more of a mix between the RE-ZERO and the RE-262. Any other alternatives? Thanks!

 

I can definetely say that RE400 is not an upgrade of RE262. Er4s and according to amazon reviews TDK IE800 is said to be an upgrade of RE262.

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I can definetely say that RE400 is not an upgrade of RE262. Er4s and according to amazon reviews TDK IE800 is said to be an upgrade of RE262.

 

I owned the Altec Lansing iM716 (supposedly very similar to ER4P/S) and it's not like the RE262 at all, I would say it's closer to an upgrade of the RE-0. The two TDK earphones are very interesting, although the IE800 looks to be unwieldy since I have small ears and ear canals, so I don't think that's an option. From what i've read it sounds like the BA200 is a more neutral earphone than the IE800, which is a bit more V-shaped, so that's fine. The BA200 is very high on my interest list at the moment.

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To the guy who asked about the Xiaomi Pistons: They sound similar in quality to my SteelSeries Flux set to me. The Flux's, as configured with my custom silicone tips, have more bass than the Pistons, but IIRC they sounded similar to each other signature-wise with the stock tips. The Pistons seem to be slightly more resolving -- I don't have golden ears, but they sound noticeably less forgiving in terms of badly mastered tracks to my ears.

 

The upside is that the Pistons cost less. The downside is that they have to be imported...and there apparently are a ton of fakes in circulation.

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To the guy who asked about the Xiaomi Pistons: They sound similar in quality to my SteelSeries Flux set to me. The Flux's, as configured with my custom silicone tips, have more bass than the Pistons, but IIRC they sounded similar to each other signature-wise with the stock tips. The Pistons seem to be slightly more resolving -- I don't have golden ears, but they sound noticeably less forgiving in terms of badly mastered tracks to my ears.

The upside is that the Pistons cost less. The downside is that they have to be imported...and there apparently are a ton of fakes in circulation.

No fake if purchased directly or ibuygou.com, an authorized seller. Most people were gambling on real/fake buying from different eBay sellers to save a few dollars.

Do you use stock tips on your pistons? If so they are crap and need to be replaced ASAP. I have both the Flux (purchased when they were half off and with Sony hybrid tips) and the Pistons (with Sennheiser double flange tips and filters removed) and the pistons had the stronger bass punch.
To me, the better sound goes to the flux because of its balance and clearer vocals/mids. It's my preference.
The pistons are warm and sweet (U-shaped sound): fun with great lower and mid bass and nice treble.

Addendum: I'm curious about your Flux custom tips. Are they comply-like or something different?
Edited by esteebin - 2/24/14 at 1:52pm
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