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Whats a relatively inexpensive IEM ($50) that has good clarity, while also being fun?
post #13847 of 14451
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Originally Posted by SebsG View Post

Whats a relatively inexpensive IEM ($50) that has good clarity, while also being fun?

I'd probably put a vote forward for the Vsonic GR02 or the VSD1/S. 

 

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Originally Posted by suman134 View Post
 

 

    a better value ? it will be hard but yes similarly price to sq phones that i can recommend are rha-ma750 , if you want some more balance re-400 , hf5 can be considered .

 

I had considered the MA750s before, but at £80, I cant really justify spending that much on them - although I've realised that the JVCs for £30 must be great deal then. My only complaint with the JVC was the slightly recessed mids, but I guess that would be something I'd have to live with (or maybe try to use an EQ) if it saves me £40 then. 

 

edit: I hear that the FXT90 are a bit better - is this true, and would it be worth the extra £20?


Edited by AgentJ - 6/16/14 at 12:55pm
post #13848 of 14451

Hello dear Ijokerl,

 

Firstly, let me say that your work in this thread is of phenomenal importance and impact. I have come to rely on your reviews and depth of your insights becomes apparent to me when I read the review again after listening to the IEMs. I can only thank you for doing it for all of us.

 

 

Now the brief story, I am a wannabe Audiophile for about 1 year. I tried MEElectronics A161p,  mostly based on your ratings last year and I really liked its clarity and sound signature( Clean quick bass,great mids) . It’s fragile cable gave up on me 3 months ago and I have been looking for a worthy replacement and upgrade. I tried  UE600 Vi because I was getting a really good deal (plus its sound was mid centric which I thought I liked, wanted to try dynamic driver etc) on it but was underwhelmed by its sound quality ( Low clarity, Bass is not enjoyable like clean bass of 161P). Your full review at innerfidelity.com mentions that it “measures better than it sounds” and I could not agree more, but I read that after buying. Finally, after reading around, I ordered highly respected Fischer Audio DBA-02 MkII with high expectations and while I agree that it’s very detailed and analytical, I learned that I do not like bright IEM’s and it was not musical enough for me. It was also somewhat difficult to get good volume out of my Samsung galaxy S3 with it so I returned it after a few days.

 

Now the conundrum, I don’t know which IEM to get next. My budget has significantly expanded to , say, up to $250  as I have realized that its important to get a good one. Based on the experiences above, my ideal IEM would have

 

1.       1) Mids and bass centric signature with gentle treble. ( I would give 60 % importance to mids, 40 % to Bass, would EQ the treble up if needed),  "Very very good bass with greatest possible  mids " would be the title of my sonic fantasy. No V- shaped signature for me. 

 

          2) As much  clarity and detail as I can muster for this kind of signature.

 

          3) Above average soundstage (161P was somewhat intimate and “in your heads” as you pointed out, that is the only thing that I did  not like about it… besides the build quality, of course).

 

          4)   Easy to drive with Samsung galaxy S3 (A161 > UE 600vi > DBA 02 mk II.

 

          5) High musicality ( Whatever that means) , I listen to Rock, soul and  pop, love a few vocalist.

 

          6 )Built-in mic and remote, if possible, one button is good enough

 

 

I am not getting enough time to research and am thinking about reordering MEElectronics A161p as it meets most of my requirements. I am usually a silent lurker at the forum but it suddenly occurred to me that I could request your help like so many others.

I would really appreciate if you can give me a few options about IEM’s that are similar to 161P but may be considered an upgrade sonically.

 

 

 

 

post #13849 of 14451
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Originally Posted by SebsG View Post

Whats a relatively inexpensive IEM ($50) that has good clarity, while also being fun?

 

   i will go for ue600 , its fun but lacks some bass , but if you fun includes bigger bass , yes , vsd1/s will do good . or you can go for brainwavz s1 too .

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Originally Posted by AgentJ View Post
 

I'd probably put a vote forward for the Vsonic GR02 or the VSD1/S. 

 

 

I had considered the MA750s before, but at £80, I cant really justify spending that much on them - although I've realised that the JVCs for £30 must be great deal then. My only complaint with the JVC was the slightly recessed mids, but I guess that would be something I'd have to live with (or maybe try to use an EQ) if it saves me £40 then. 

 

edit: I hear that the FXT90 are a bit better - is this true, and would it be worth the extra £20?

 

    to me fxt90 is better , not far far better but it suits my taste more then ma-750 . as i said you cant get value like that or value like ue600 for $44 or xba-3 for $70 , you can look for this kind of deals and will find it if lucky . just think like , if the JVCs improve with eq will the ma-750 wont ? will the eq patch the short comings ? if yes , it should be a nice deal , the best part of ma-750 is its package ( plenty of eartips to chose from , a huge hard case ) and its build , i will say its built like a tank .

post #13850 of 14451
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Originally Posted by vidzegg View Post

 

Now the conundrum, I don’t know which IEM to get next. My budget has significantly expanded to , say, up to $250  as I have realized that its important to get a good one. Based on the experiences above, my ideal IEM would have

 

1.       1) Mids and bass centric signature with gentle treble. ( I would give 60 % importance to mids, 40 % to Bass, would EQ the treble up if needed),  "Very very good bass with greatest possible  mids " would be the title of my sonic fantasy. No V- shaped signature for me. 

 

          2) As much  clarity and detail as I can muster for this kind of signature.

 

          3) Above average soundstage (161P was somewhat intimate and “in your heads” as you pointed out, that is the only thing that I did  not like about it… besides the build quality, of course).

 

          4)   Easy to drive with Samsung galaxy S3 (A161 > UE 600vi > DBA 02 mk II.

 

          5) High musicality ( Whatever that means) , I listen to Rock, soul and  pop, love a few vocalist.

 

          6 )Built-in mic and remote, if possible, one button is good enough

 

 

Sounds more like a Vsonic GR07 Bass Edition which is going for $179 at Amazon


Edited by Francisk - 6/16/14 at 11:32pm
post #13851 of 14451
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by mark2410 View Post
 

lol, everytime i see this thread its grown like 20 pages.  :beerchug:

 

That just means you need to look in more often :wink:

 

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Originally Posted by AgentJ View Post

Hey Joker - I'm back! biggrin.gif

I was doing fine with the JVC FXD80 (the mic version, it's either the FDR or the FRD) and I even upgraded my Bose OE1 to some Beyer DT770 which I've enjoyed listening with a lot.

Only thing is that I somehow managed to lose the JVCs and I was then using my old AM800 - until I somehow managed to loosen the connection between the cable and one of the buds.

I'm pretty happy getting another pair of the JVCs but I've noticed that a few of the previously recommended IEMs have been retired, so is there a replacement for them? I wouldn't mind spending a tad more but considering that I've just gone through £60's worth of IEM, I probably shouldn't spend too much tongue.gif

If getting a pair without the mic will considerably increase value or sound quality, I might just go for that as well.

Cheers again man!

 

If the JVCs were my top pick for your requirements a month or two back, they still are - I haven't come across a direct replacement. 

 

The FXT90 is certainly not as recessed in the midrange but I can't put a dollar value on that.

 

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Originally Posted by muhen View Post
 

Hey ljokerl,

 

I signed up to enter the Noble contest, but as a longtime lurker, I just wanted to thank you for all your help and reviews here!

 

Thank you :beerchug:

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by SebsG View Post

Whats a relatively inexpensive IEM ($50) that has good clarity, while also being fun?

 

My pick would be the VSD1S from VSonic.

 

 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vidzegg View Post
 

Hello dear Ijokerl,

 

Firstly, let me say that your work in this thread is of phenomenal importance and impact. I have come to rely on your reviews and depth of your insights becomes apparent to me when I read the review again after listening to the IEMs. I can only thank you for doing it for all of us.

 

 

Now the brief story, I am a wannabe Audiophile for about 1 year. I tried MEElectronics A161p,  mostly based on your ratings last year and I really liked its clarity and sound signature( Clean quick bass,great mids) . It’s fragile cable gave up on me 3 months ago and I have been looking for a worthy replacement and upgrade. I tried  UE600 Vi because I was getting a really good deal (plus its sound was mid centric which I thought I liked, wanted to try dynamic driver etc) on it but was underwhelmed by its sound quality ( Low clarity, Bass is not enjoyable like clean bass of 161P). Your full review at innerfidelity.com mentions that it “measures better than it sounds” and I could not agree more, but I read that after buying. Finally, after reading around, I ordered highly respected Fischer Audio DBA-02 MkII with high expectations and while I agree that it’s very detailed and analytical, I learned that I do not like bright IEM’s and it was not musical enough for me. It was also somewhat difficult to get good volume out of my Samsung galaxy S3 with it so I returned it after a few days.

 

Now the conundrum, I don’t know which IEM to get next. My budget has significantly expanded to , say, up to $250  as I have realized that its important to get a good one. Based on the experiences above, my ideal IEM would have

 

1.       1) Mids and bass centric signature with gentle treble. ( I would give 60 % importance to mids, 40 % to Bass, would EQ the treble up if needed),  "Very very good bass with greatest possible  mids " would be the title of my sonic fantasy. No V- shaped signature for me. 

 

          2) As much  clarity and detail as I can muster for this kind of signature.

 

          3) Above average soundstage (161P was somewhat intimate and “in your heads” as you pointed out, that is the only thing that I did  not like about it… besides the build quality, of course).

 

          4)   Easy to drive with Samsung galaxy S3 (A161 > UE 600vi > DBA 02 mk II.

 

          5) High musicality ( Whatever that means) , I listen to Rock, soul and  pop, love a few vocalist.

 

          6 )Built-in mic and remote, if possible, one button is good enough

 

 

I am not getting enough time to research and am thinking about reordering MEElectronics A161p as it meets most of my requirements. I am usually a silent lurker at the forum but it suddenly occurred to me that I could request your help like so many others.

I would really appreciate if you can give me a few options about IEM’s that are similar to 161P but may be considered an upgrade sonically.

 

 

The IEMs I could recommend for that type of sound - HiFiMan and TDK primarily - lack the remote feature. It is also unclear how the dual-armature TDK will perform out of the S3 - in my experience phones and computers are better paired with more stable dynamic-driver or single armature earphones than with more demanding multi-armature earphones. This may be part of the problem you had with the Fischer set.

 

In your case it's probably better to just go for another A161. 

post #13852 of 14451
Hey Joker,

I can understand that putting a value in the differences between the FXD80 and FXT90 is hard and pretty subjective, but is the difference fairly noticeable?

And are there many more differences between them?

Cheers again!

Edit: I've just had a look through the FXD80/70/60 thread (didn't know it mentioned the FXT90) and it seems like the differences aren't as big as I thought - and I didn't realise that burning them in would take over 100 hours. A few users also said that the mid-bass gets a bit better with burn in so I'll try to burn my new pair properly (I had maybe 50 hours of just normal listening on them)

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Edited by AgentJ - 6/17/14 at 12:47am
post #13853 of 14451
Quote:
Originally Posted by vidzegg View Post
 

Hello dear Ijokerl,

 

Firstly, let me say that your work in this thread is of phenomenal importance and impact. I have come to rely on your reviews and depth of your insights becomes apparent to me when I read the review again after listening to the IEMs. I can only thank you for doing it for all of us.

 

 

Now the brief story, I am a wannabe Audiophile for about 1 year. I tried MEElectronics A161p,  mostly based on your ratings last year and I really liked its clarity and sound signature( Clean quick bass,great mids) . It’s fragile cable gave up on me 3 months ago and I have been looking for a worthy replacement and upgrade. I tried  UE600 Vi because I was getting a really good deal (plus its sound was mid centric which I thought I liked, wanted to try dynamic driver etc) on it but was underwhelmed by its sound quality ( Low clarity, Bass is not enjoyable like clean bass of 161P). Your full review at innerfidelity.com mentions that it “measures better than it sounds” and I could not agree more, but I read that after buying. Finally, after reading around, I ordered highly respected Fischer Audio DBA-02 MkII with high expectations and while I agree that it’s very detailed and analytical, I learned that I do not like bright IEM’s and it was not musical enough for me. It was also somewhat difficult to get good volume out of my Samsung galaxy S3 with it so I returned it after a few days.

 

Now the conundrum, I don’t know which IEM to get next. My budget has significantly expanded to , say, up to $250  as I have realized that its important to get a good one. Based on the experiences above, my ideal IEM would have

 

1.       1) Mids and bass centric signature with gentle treble. ( I would give 60 % importance to mids, 40 % to Bass, would EQ the treble up if needed),  "Very very good bass with greatest possible  mids " would be the title of my sonic fantasy. No V- shaped signature for me. 

 

          2) As much  clarity and detail as I can muster for this kind of signature.

 

          3) Above average soundstage (161P was somewhat intimate and “in your heads” as you pointed out, that is the only thing that I did  not like about it… besides the build quality, of course).

 

          4)   Easy to drive with Samsung galaxy S3 (A161 > UE 600vi > DBA 02 mk II.

 

          5) High musicality ( Whatever that means) , I listen to Rock, soul and  pop, love a few vocalist.

 

          6 )Built-in mic and remote, if possible, one button is good enough

 

 

I am not getting enough time to research and am thinking about reordering MEElectronics A161p as it meets most of my requirements. I am usually a silent lurker at the forum but it suddenly occurred to me that I could request your help like so many others.

I would really appreciate if you can give me a few options about IEM’s that are similar to 161P but may be considered an upgrade sonically.

 

 

 

 

 

 

only one phone comes to my mind , and even it cant fulfill all your criteria . xba-h3 can fulfill some (  not the best possible mids for sure , and you cant get the best mid at $250 ) . 2nd will be rha-ma750 .

post #13854 of 14451

Hi there, Which IEMs are on this X3? Thanks!

 

post #13855 of 14451

It's a Sennheiser IE80.

post #13856 of 14451
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post
 

It's a Sennheiser IE80.

Thanks, the guy on local online market place offers x3  with these IEMs for $200 .... I'll meet he tomorrow.....:rolleyes:

post #13857 of 14451
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Originally Posted by garcsa View Post
 

Thanks, the guy on local online market place offers x3  with these IEMs for $200 .... I'll meet he tomorrow.....:rolleyes:

 

That's an interesting price. Make sure the IE80 isn't fake.

post #13858 of 14451
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post
 

 

That's an interesting price. Make sure the IE80 isn't fake.

Really suspicious price. Yep, thanks.

post #13859 of 14451
Quote:
 

Now the conundrum, I don’t know which IEM to get next. My budget has significantly expanded to , say, up to $250  as I have realized that its important to get a good one. Based on the experiences above, my ideal IEM would have

 

1.       1) Mids and bass centric signature with gentle treble. ( I would give 60 % importance to mids, 40 % to Bass, would EQ the treble up if needed),  "Very very good bass with greatest possible  mids " would be the title of my sonic fantasy. No V- shaped signature for me. 

 

          2) As much  clarity and detail as I can muster for this kind of signature.

 

          3) Above average soundstage (161P was somewhat intimate and “in your heads” as you pointed out, that is the only thing that I did  not like about it… besides the build quality, of course).

 

          4)   Easy to drive with Samsung galaxy S3 (A161 > UE 600vi > DBA 02 mk II.

 

          5) High musicality ( Whatever that means) , I listen to Rock, soul and  pop, love a few vocalist.

 

          6 )Built-in mic and remote, if possible, one button is good enough

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Francisk View Post
 

Sounds more like a Vsonic GR07 Bass Edition which is going for $179 at Amazon

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post
 

 

The IEMs I could recommend for that type of sound - HiFiMan and TDK primarily - lack the remote feature. It is also unclear how the dual-armature TDK will perform out of the S3 - in my experience phones and computers are better paired with more stable dynamic-driver or single armature earphones than with more demanding multi-armature earphones. This may be part of the problem you had with the Fischer set.

 

In your case it's probably better to just go for another A161. 

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by suman134 View Post
 

only one phone comes to my mind , and even it cant fulfill all your criteria . xba-h3 can fulfill some (  not the best possible mids for sure , and you cant get the best mid at $250 ) . 2nd will be rha-ma750 .

 

 

Thank you all for the helpful responses, I am looking into  GR07 BE and XBA- H3 and TDK BA-200

MHA-750 has the dreaded  " slightly V shaped signature " in reviews... deal breaker... No prominent highs for me in foreseeable future.

 

To give you an idea, my full size headphone is Sony MA 900 and I am  HD 650 aspirant....dark and warm signatures.. I am always fixated on mids/vocals  but am realizing the fun good bass can provide  and that I am very sensitive to sibilance ( BD DT 990, DBA-02 mk II).

 

So  so-called criteria above can be revised as

 

1) mid centric signature ( lush, thick, sweet, full sounding etc) with very very good bass ( punchy, clean, extending, deep etc)

 

2) easy to drive on GS3 aka high sensitivity, low impedance

 

3) Better than A161P as "upgrade" is the buzzword

 

 

Everything else is secondary  and I can compromise on inline controls, comfort, microphonics, other sonic attributes etc

 

Tentative budget is up to 250 $

 

Can you please give me a few more recommendation with these less restrictive criteria?

 

 

 

 

 

post #13860 of 14451
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Originally Posted by vidzegg View Post





Thank you all for the helpful responses, I am looking into  GR07 BE and XBA- H3 and TDK BA-200
MHA-750 has the dreaded  " slightly V shaped signature " in reviews... deal breaker... No prominent highs for me in foreseeable future.

To give you an idea, my full size headphone is Sony MA 900 and I am  HD 650 aspirant....dark and warm signatures.. I am always fixated on mids/vocals  but am realizing the fun good bass can provide  and that I am very sensitive to sibilance ( BD DT 990, DBA-02 mk II).

So  so-called criteria above can be revised as

1) mid centric signature ( lush, thick, sweet, full sounding etc) with very very good bass ( punchy, clean, extending, deep etc)

2) easy to drive on GS3 aka high sensitivity, low impedance

3) Better than A161P as "upgrade" is the buzzword


Everything else is secondary  and I can compromise on inline controls, comfort, microphonics, other sonic attributes etc

Tentative budget is up to 250 $

Can you please give me a few more recommendation with these less restrictive criteria?

Still sounds to me like the Vsonic GR07 BE which is very balanced sounding with nice extended bottom end (not bass head levels though) that does not leak into the mids. Mid presentation is nice and warm and highs which is not sibilant like the DBA02 MkII but very detailed.
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